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110. The saliva test is unreliable

Wed May 22, 2013, 05:01 AM

May 2013

Of the 119 dogs shown, there are 132 different breeds represented.

The first number is the AKC rank and the second number is the number of times that breed registered in this test.

I popped it up on a scatter plot, and the best R-squared I could get (which was logarithmic) was .21, indicating that there's a super weak correlation between breed popularity in the real world versus breed popularity in this group of dogs.

Therefore, the methodology of the test is in question.

Rank Number Breed
1 16 Labrador Retriever
2 9 German Shepherd
3 5 Golden Retriever
4 8 Beagle
5 7 Bulldog
6 3 Yorkshire Terrier
7 14 Boxer
8 1 Poodle
9 5 Rottweiler
10 7 Miniature Short Haired Dachshund
10 7 Short Haired Dachshund
10 7 Long Haired Dachshund
10 7 Wire Haired Dachshund
12 2 Doberman Pinscher
13 2 Miniature Schnauzer
14 3 French Bulldog
15 2 German Short Haired Pointer
16 8 Siberian Husky
17 3 Great Dane
18 2 Chihuahua
19 2 Pomeranian
21 2 Shetland Sheepdog
22 2 Australian Shepherd
23 4 Boston Terrier
24 2 Pembroke Welsh Corgi
26 1 Mastiff
27 2 Cocker Spaniel
28 1 Havanese
29 1 English Springer Spaniel
31 1 Brittany Spaniel
32 8 Weimeraner
33 1 Bernese Mountain Dog
34 1 Vizsla
35 5 Collie
38 1 Bichon Frise
39 4 Bullmastiff
40 5 Basset Hound
41 1 Rhodesian Ridgeback
42 2 Newfoundland
43 3 Russell Terrier
44 2 Border Collie
45 1 Akita
47 6 Miniature Pinscher
48 2 Bloodhound
49 1 Saint Bernard
50 1 Shiba Inu
51 1 Bull Terrier
52 4 Chinese Sharpei
53 2 Wheaten Terrier
53 1 Soft Coated Wheaton Terrier
54 1 Airedale Terrier
55 2 Portuguese Water Dog
57 2 Alaskan Malamute
58 1 Scottish Terrier
59 7 Australian Cattle Dog
60 4 Cane Corso
61 1 Lhasa Apso
62 4 Chinese Crested
63 2 Cairn Terrier
64 3 English Cocker Spaniel
65 2 Dalmatian
66 2 Italian Greyhound
67 3 Dogue de Bordeaux
68 3 Samoyed
69 12 Chow Chow
70 1 German Wirehaired Pointer
71 1 Belgian Malinois
72 2 Great Pyrenees
74 1 Irish Setter
76 7 Staffordshire Bull Terrier
77 2 Irish Wolfhound
78 1 Old English Sheepdog
79 19 American Staffordshire
89 1 Standard Schnauzer
90 1 Silky Terrier
91 2 Flat Coated Retriever
93 2 Afghan Hound
95 1 Borzoi
96 1 Wire Fox Terrier
98 2 Schipperke
101 3 Keeshond
102 2 Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever
103 1 Toy Fox Terrier
105 1 Norwegian Elkhound
106 1 Belgian Tervuren
107 1 Anatolian Shepherd
108 1 Welsh Terrier
109 1 Black and Tan Coonhound
110 2 Pointer
111 1 Tibetan Spaniel
112 1 Neopolitan Mastiff
113 5 American Eskimo
118 2 Saluki
119 2 Norfolk Terrier
120 1 Black Russian Terrier
121 4 Manchester Terrier
122 1 Briard
123 3 Australian Terrier
124 2 Belgian Sheepdog
126 2 Miniature Bull Terrier
129 3 Tibetan Mastiff
130 2 Irish Terrier
132 1 RedBone Coonhound
133 1 Blue Tick Coonhound
134 1 English Toy Terrier
139 2 Scottish Deerhound
140 3 Beauceron
142 1 Ibizian Hound
145 3 Puli
147 1 Field Spaniel
148 1 Swedish Vallhund
150 2 Plott Hound
153 2 Curly Coated Retriever
154 3 Irish Water Spaniel
156 1 Lowchen
157 2 Entlebucher Mountain Dog
161 3 Sealyham Terrier
162 1 Glen of Imaal Terrier
163 1 Norwegian Buhund
169 1 Komondor
170 3 Dandie Dinmont Terrier
171 1 Harrier
172 5 American Foxhound
8 American Bulldog
6 German Spitz
3 Catahoula Leopard Dog
2 Jindo
1 Dogo Argentino
1 Lancashire Heeler
1 Small Munsterlander

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All you ... PEOPLE who support breed bans: Let's Play FIND THE PIT BULL!! [View all] baldguy May 2013 OP

I don't know... one_voice May 2013 #1

I hate dogs. Kill them all and let God sort it out. Buzz Clik May 2013 #2

that looks like aboxer to me, they like to hit people and othr dogs in play, hollysmom May 2013 #4

I'd start with the 'humans'. Look what the hell that we have done with this 'place'... eom Purveyor May 2013 #27

I found the Pitbull: reformist2 May 2013 #3

I'll guess 54 but have no clue. A couple I don't think so, but narrowed down to 4. uppityperson May 2013 #5

As I understand it, the best way to determine the pitbull... Buzz Clik May 2013 #6

I think it's dog 58. Just a guess. I'm no expert... n/t truth2power May 2013 #7

That is my guess too. Control-Z May 2013 #31

That's mean! Xithras May 2013 #8

So sick of the damn pit bull posts. n-t Logical May 2013 #9

It's a mission. defacto7 May 2013 #106

#54 krispos42 May 2013 #10

No fair! You didn't dress the pit bull crosses right for a where's the pit cross challenge... pinboy3niner May 2013 #11

You need to get something to help you relax rustydog May 2013 #12

You obviously haven't considered the pit bulls assisting with breast-feeding in Olive Gardens pinboy3niner May 2013 #16

The claim remains pure horseshit. n/t Chan790 May 2013 #17

It's a trick question anyway... defacto7 May 2013 #107

Oh, dog 79 looks a lot like the doggie my daughter adopted from the pound! Lone_Star_Dem May 2013 #13

Has to be 111 because it's so unlikely NV Whino May 2013 #14

No. DevonRex May 2013 #21

Good post. When "pit bull" attacks are reported, more often than not Luminous Animal May 2013 #15

I think this is a trick question! Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #18

My son has one like #8 OriginalGeek May 2013 #19

My first choice was DevonRex May 2013 #20

None of the above. eom rdharma May 2013 #22

Wrong again. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #59

This is the correct answer. eShirl May 2013 #113

58 looks like it has... one_voice May 2013 #23

Dogs rule Zo Zig May 2013 #24

FIND THE PIT BULL!! answers. baldguy May 2013 #25

But I got it right! rdharma May 2013 #28

"Bred to latch on, take down and kill." flvegan May 2013 #29

No. I didn't. rdharma May 2013 #33

Oh goody, a live one. flvegan May 2013 #39

You got it doubly wrong. baldguy May 2013 #30

Riiiiiight! If your family enjoys dog fighting! rdharma May 2013 #35

You saying all families with a pit bull enjoy dog fighting? flvegan May 2013 #40

No, not all. rdharma May 2013 #46

Re-read your post. flvegan May 2013 #53

In modern times Mr. X May 2013 #100

Then all game dogs should be banned. baldguy May 2013 #103

It differs Mr. X May 2013 #121

We don't ignore where the breed originated Scootaloo May 2013 #108

I am owned by one of those vicious German Shepherds FloridaJudy May 2013 #124

One of the most aggressive dogs I've walked was an intact male Puggle. smokey nj May 2013 #130

No dog is suited for an irresponsible owner Scootaloo May 2013 #109

Very interesting breakdown of mixes, thank you. I ruled out the basset, never guessed chow and sprin uppityperson May 2013 #36

wow. excellent. Thanks. robinlynne May 2013 #81

What was the breed identification methodology? XemaSab May 2013 #99

As simple as it says: "We conducted a national survey of dog experts..." baldguy May 2013 #101

Did they use the blood test or the saliva test? XemaSab May 2013 #102

Both can be used to test DNA. Why should it matter? baldguy May 2013 #105

The saliva test is unreliable XemaSab May 2013 #110

"The saliva test is unreliable". On what basis do you make that claim? baldguy May 2013 #116

Try this one on: XemaSab May 2013 #125

So, your objection to the DNA testing is based on a CYA disclaimer on a retailers web store? baldguy May 2013 #136

"an average accuracy of 84% in first-generation crossbred dogs of known parentage" XemaSab May 2013 #146

Um...you do understand that 84% is higher than 43%? baldguy May 2013 #147

Right. You got nothing. baldguy May 2013 #150

I'm apparently as bad at this as everyone else Scootaloo May 2013 #104

Wow! GoCubsGo May 2013 #123

Aren't the American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier two different types, blueamy66 May 2013 #129

25% of a particular breed is considered "predominant". baldguy May 2013 #134

But, the AmStaff isn't a pit bull, correct? blueamy66 May 2013 #135

. baldguy May 2013 #138

Whatever blueamy66 May 2013 #140

DU has been talking about this for 2 weeks, & there are literally a million web sites on the subject baldguy May 2013 #141

Okay blueamy66 May 2013 #142

An hour is up, I'm going to bed. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #26

I bet he's going to tell us they all have pitbull in them. Baitball Blogger May 2013 #32

Hey baldguy, oddly enough flvegan May 2013 #34

Yeah, funny that. baldguy May 2013 #37

This works just the same as you trying to figure out what an assault weapon is. CokeMachine May 2013 #54

. baldguy May 2013 #70

No "Pit Bulls" shown........... rdharma May 2013 #38

You again? flvegan May 2013 #41

Look at post #22 rdharma May 2013 #49

Being wrong is easy. Occulus May 2013 #139

No, there isn't! rdharma May 2013 #143

The last one shown above. Dog #111. Occulus May 2013 #145

Oh, brother! rdharma May 2013 #148

Not odd at all. They are typical Americans, living in terror of the extremely unlikely Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #57

Hm. Good post. flvegan May 2013 #85

Put them in a room with somebody and see which one mauls the person to death Orrex May 2013 #42

^^^ Doesn't know shit about dogs. n/t flvegan May 2013 #43

^^^Posts as though he knows a great deal more than he does. n/t Orrex May 2013 #45

^^^ Clueless, and should prove up his claim or shut up. n/t flvegan May 2013 #48

^^^Doesn't know what "n/t" means Orrex May 2013 #50

^^^ Has nothing to add, proves my point in reference to clueless. n/t flvegan May 2013 #52

^^^Thinks PETA is a serious organization but calls me clueless Orrex May 2013 #56

^^^ Can't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. n/t flvegan May 2013 #60

^^^Takes the bait every single time but thinks I'm clueless Orrex May 2013 #62

^^^ STILL can't properly argue a point. Is laughable at best. n/t flvegan May 2013 #66

^^^Hook, line & sinker every single time Orrex May 2013 #68

^^^ Reaffirmation of cluelessness. Address what you said, please. n/t flvegan May 2013 #71

^^^How do you keep a pit bull apologist in suspense? Orrex May 2013 #73

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #77

^^^How do you keep a pit bull apologist in suspense? Orrex May 2013 #78

^^^ I just happend on this thread... pinboy3niner May 2013 #82

Hold my beer and watch this ^<^><^>^<^>^<>^<^ TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #114

I think the poster has proven that they're clueless. baldguy May 2013 #51

Not the first time on this topic, sadly. flvegan May 2013 #55

How about this definition: ozone_man May 2013 #153

Anything with four legs & a tail, huh? baldguy May 2013 #47

Lmao!!! darkangel218 May 2013 #84

Oh crap! I have pit bull! Gormy Cuss May 2013 #87

. LWolf May 2013 #115

DUzy! Not this post but the whole slap fight following. nolabear May 2013 #83

Dog 58. n/t RebelOne May 2013 #44

No pit bulls above......... rdharma May 2013 #58

Again, you? flvegan May 2013 #61

Again....... I got the "trick question" correct! rdharma May 2013 #65

See post #64. No need to tell you twice. n/t flvegan May 2013 #72

Hate to tell you, but posting stupid twice doesn't make it any less stupid. baldguy May 2013 #64

baldguy with the bigtime win! LOL!!!! flvegan May 2013 #67

So why are you posting multiple times trying to defend your OP? rdharma May 2013 #69

Because it's defenseless, like those poor, sweet, cuddly pit bulls Orrex May 2013 #75

If you've seen one pit bull, you've seen a maul Orrex May 2013 #63

^^^^ unblock May 2013 #126

Your logic makes no sense. Courtesy Flush May 2013 #74

Can you spell FLAMEBAIT? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #76

There are 24 dogs that are part American Staffordshire Terrier or Staffordshire Bull Terrier baldguy May 2013 #80

I didn't incorrectly identify! rdharma May 2013 #89

Three times. baldguy May 2013 #90

Three times correct! rdharma May 2013 #92

58 89 111 Politicalboi May 2013 #79

Instead... deathrind May 2013 #86

Pit Bulls don't harm people with any greater frequency than other dogs do. baldguy May 2013 #88

Show me the data. deathrind May 2013 #91

What happened with the "Find the Pit Bull" game? rdharma May 2013 #93

It's been done. baldguy May 2013 #94

No! Don't need guard dogs. rdharma May 2013 #95

You are the one... deathrind May 2013 #97

You're the one saying they are more dangerous. baldguy May 2013 #98

Look at the numbers. deathrind May 2013 #117

The Clifton Report? Is this a joke? baldguy May 2013 #122

Curse you! Ohio Joe May 2013 #96

pit bull defenders are no different than the gun fetishists bowens43 May 2013 #111

You finally drove me over the edge. I would never say this under ordinary circumstances. randome May 2013 #112

if a dog shows a propensity for agression (breed) or actual agression, destroy it galileoreloaded May 2013 #118

GD has really gone to the dogs. marmar May 2013 #119

It's the pits, man. randome May 2013 #120

that's bull, dawg! unblock May 2013 #127

I think it is safe to say that baldguy is putting on the dog, at the very least. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #132

I don't know what a pit bull looks like, but Dog 89 looks like the curr that micturated on my boots. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #128

#54. Jazzgirl May 2013 #131

Wikipedia's BSL page whatchamacallit May 2013 #133

I don't have a dog in this fight (mine's a Sheltie), but 1. that's a Wikipedia page ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #152

Found it. NCTraveler May 2013 #137

K&R DainBramaged May 2013 #144

8 & 58?? LiberalElite May 2013 #149

solution Trajan May 2013 #151