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AndyA

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72. Shhh...they don't like for that to be pointed out

Wed May 22, 2013, 11:19 AM

May 2013

They'll come up with all kinds of stories to justify exactly "what" a "militia" is in "today's terms."

Also, please ignore the fact that weapon technology has advanced considerably over the centuries, and the 2A hasn't been touched to reflect this. They'll want you to believe that the founders intended for citizens to have as much fire power as the highly-trained military our government spends billions on every year, with no limits, no checks, no restrictions, and that the 2A rights supersede all of the other rights the founders documented.

So, if the founders were alive and walking around today, they'd be OK with things the way they are--all the mass shootings, numerous accidents, and all the other catastrophes that go with gun ownership would be hunky-dory with them. Got it?

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Colorado man opens fire on officer with AR-15 at traffic stop for no headlights [View all] xchrom May 2013 OP

Yep, everybody should be armed to the teeth because you might sinkingfeeling May 2013 #1

That's right! You never know when the Gubberment will send the Police.... Walk away May 2013 #4

Now, give the guy a break! KansDem May 2013 #64

Yes, if only the two people at the scene had more, more, more guns on hand valerief May 2013 #81

Kinda funny, ain' it??? Plucketeer May 2013 #90

Good point! nt tblue May 2013 #97

Very good point! nt caledesi May 2013 #117

i hope his gun was registered tiny elvis May 2013 #213

They're always "law-abiding gun-owners"---until they're not. WinkyDink May 2013 #2

Everybody's law abiding until they're not, premium May 2013 #11

When you cram a gun down your pants, or put one in your car -- you are no longer "responsible" IMO. Hoyt May 2013 #80

Same ole Hoyt. premium May 2013 #86

With regards to many things adieu May 2013 #88

And guess what? premium May 2013 #94

Neener Neener Neener otohara May 2013 #152

21 for a handgun premium May 2013 #155

Does That Include Assault Rifles? otohara May 2013 #167

Assault rifles are very tightly regulated, premium May 2013 #168

Hey, don't you care about his feelings? Pelican May 2013 #217

Are you a republican? Kingofalldems May 2013 #225

You're responsible until you act irresponsibly. Megalo_Man May 2013 #100

And carrying a gun, prepared to shoot someone is irresponsible. No way around that. Hoyt May 2013 #105

Got four of your talking points in on that one. rl6214 May 2013 #108

Yeah, he's very adept at that, huh? premium May 2013 #112

LOL! billh58 May 2013 #125

Back atcha buddy, premium May 2013 #127

We're all very impressed with your wit and wisdom... truebluegreen May 2013 #156

As am I. nt. premium May 2013 #160

Thought it was obvious to just about everybody, truebluegreen May 2013 #161

Uh huh. nt. premium May 2013 #165

Ah! There you go! truebluegreen May 2013 #198

Thank you premium May 2013 #199

Nice try. truebluegreen May 2013 #201

Probably, premium May 2013 #202

Gosh, you are just sooooo witty! truebluegreen May 2013 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author truebluegreen May 2013 #200

Why are you attacking a loyal DU member? Kingofalldems May 2013 #154

What business is it of yours? nt. premium May 2013 #157

I just made it my business. Kingofalldems May 2013 #158

Well, I don't recognize it as your business. premium May 2013 #162

Sure. Kingofalldems May 2013 #164

Snappy comeback. nt. premium May 2013 #166

If I were you, I wouldn't run to the admins either. Robb May 2013 #189

The admins probably have you on their radar anyway. JimDandy May 2013 #194

when a relative new-comer starts attacking a long-time member, some of us tend to get a little niyad May 2013 #193

It would be irresponsible to *not* do most of those things. Megalo_Man May 2013 #115

Another irrational gunner. How much time to you spend preparing for these highly unlikely events. Hoyt May 2013 #144

I have actually been in.one.of those.highly unlikely.events. Megalo_Man May 2013 #174

Do your guns add to your Megalo-self-image? Hoyt May 2013 #176

Go Hoyt! Hammer em... xtraxritical May 2013 #121

Yeah, he's about as credible as, premium May 2013 #129

Nope - never killed anyone, never practiced to kill anyone, don't pick up guns and say, "wow, I bet Hoyt May 2013 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author premium May 2013 #145

+1000 truebluegreen May 2013 #159

You've claimed elsewhere that you know how to fieldstrip a handgun at age 8 friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #175

Well past 8 now, and have outgrown the need for lethal weapons and gun toys. Hoyt May 2013 #180

You contradict yourself, Hoyt-you learned how to shoot that Army-issued gun... friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #181

How's that? Hoyt May 2013 #184

You don't *get* to have your pronouncements taken on faith, Hoyt friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #186

You are right, if it's not from the NRA or gun cultists, it cannot be right. Hoyt May 2013 #187

It's only right if it's shown to be right-and you don't do that friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #208

At least my opinion is not based upon an unhealthy attraction to guns. Hoyt May 2013 #209

Just to check... Pelican May 2013 #228

Not Hoyt, premium May 2013 #229

I doubt he crammed his gun down his pants rl6214 May 2013 #106

Sorry, I am not familiar with where/how you guys tuck your guns when going out into public. Hoyt May 2013 #150

Guns In Cars = Road Rage otohara May 2013 #149

Interesting you mention that. NRA President Keene's son - raised in gun culture - was convicted Hoyt May 2013 #151

I Took My Obama Sticker Off otohara May 2013 #163

Thank you for actually supporting my point. And we arrest drunk drivers, accident or no. WinkyDink May 2013 #206

That's the exact problem . .. HughBeaumont May 2013 #13

And a bank robber anda rapist and a murderer are all law abiding until their not! rl6214 May 2013 #31

Which kills the argument that "Any gun should be sold to responsible gun owners." WinkyDink May 2013 #207

why do people think they mikeysnot May 2013 #3

It couldn't ave been, the officer survived and the perp died. rl6214 May 2013 #33

I am not anti-gun... caledesi May 2013 #135

Where were the Pit bulls?? nt Eleanors38 May 2013 #5

Oh you just had to got there! Haha. Agschmid May 2013 #8

! xchrom May 2013 #9

At the Olive Garden ... getting circumcised. 11 Bravo May 2013 #76

While breastfeeding immunized children! n /t Horse with no Name May 2013 #92

Dining on spotted owl with Wolf sauce riqster May 2013 #136

Did anyone hold the door for them? KansDem May 2013 #179

Yes, a swarthy individual riqster May 2013 #185

we have strayed from "well-regulated militias" Enrique May 2013 #6

Shhh...they don't like for that to be pointed out AndyA May 2013 #72

Pssst, you don't know what we'll regulated militia really means. rl6214 May 2013 #109

That's BS and you know it AndyA May 2013 #124

Excuse me!!!!! LongTomH May 2013 #153

That part WAS also to make sure those citizens enrolled in the militias, jmg257 May 2013 #171

pssst--you might want to learn the proper use of contractions, apostrophes, and hyphens. niyad May 2013 #191

"..our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms" - Barack Obama May 2013 hack89 May 2013 #133

Let's post the full quote. Hoyt May 2013 #172

Which has nothing to do with the 2A applying solely to militias - correct? nt hack89 May 2013 #173

What "militias" , and when was set one raised ? pkdu May 2013 #227

let's see--2;15 am, no headlights, idiot fires multiple rounds, did not hit the officer. so, an niyad May 2013 #7

Yup! BrotherIvan May 2013 #15

Or the less obvious. zeemike May 2013 #83

AR-15's are not automatic weapons, premium May 2013 #87

Semi auto rl6214 May 2013 #110

More likely he was drunk at 2 a.m. JimDandy May 2013 #128

Well I guess he showed Johnny Law who was boss. Robb May 2013 #10

Darwin is still deciding malaise May 2013 #21

This is an example of why we're seeing the undesirable militarization of the police function. byeya May 2013 #22

Every deer rifle is 'armor piercing'. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #55

Couldn't have been an AR15, you anti gun zealots all say the AR15 kill is everyone rl6214 May 2013 #38

You have to hit something first. n/t mattclearing May 2013 #50

But,but,but if you're spray firing from the hip with a hi capacity assault clip rl6214 May 2013 #98

Another victim of false advertising. mattclearing May 2013 #113

Hampered at 2 a.m. by the dark and probable JimDandy May 2013 #146

Yeah, NRA training at work Progressive dog May 2013 #53

I always suspected that AtheistCrusader May 2013 #57

Wasn't it because the TEC-9 ejected the brass straight up and back? Recursion May 2013 #70

I've never fired one, but from my impression of the quality of the design AtheistCrusader May 2013 #126

Maybe it's to increase collateral damage. Progressive dog May 2013 #73

I don't think either of them were the originators of that practice. rl6214 May 2013 #111

sentence structure, or reasoning for that matter, aren't really your strong suits.. frylock May 2013 #77

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #99

Dark outside and probably drunk at 2 a.m. JimDandy May 2013 #139

The interesting thing here seems to me to be MineralMan May 2013 #12

perhaps not a threat to law enforcement, but maybe one to innocent bystanders. niyad May 2013 #14

Yes, of course. I'm really talking, though, about MineralMan May 2013 #16

Not a real threat? BrotherIvan May 2013 #17

What "militia types" has walked into schools or movie theaters or mall and premium May 2013 #18

I characterize those who stockpile weapons BrotherIvan May 2013 #25

Adam Lanza, James Holmes and Seung-Hui Cho were not "militia-types." hack89 May 2013 #28

And thinking one has to stockpile weapons in the bunker BrotherIvan May 2013 #35

We were talking about people that carry out mass slaughter hack89 May 2013 #48

true militia member ??????? dothemath May 2013 #114

What is a 'true militia member'? Damn good question hack89 May 2013 #130

Little correction sarisataka May 2013 #141

Wanted to add BrotherIvan May 2013 #26

Then again, premium May 2013 #32

"Stockpiling weapons is not necessarily a sign of mental illness..." BrotherIvan May 2013 #37

Yeah, I did, premium May 2013 #43

Do you think it is? Recursion May 2013 #68

Stockpiling weapons =/= collecting BrotherIvan May 2013 #75

The difference between a "collection" and a "stockpile" or "hoard" is rhetorical. Recursion May 2013 #78

Ah, we are blessed by the presence of another telepsychologist friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #177

Didn't technically commit it. Crunchy Frog May 2013 #120

You may be right. premium May 2013 #123

Nah, they use bombs like McVeigh Progressive dog May 2013 #69

That's not what the poster I replied to said, but then you know that, huh. nt. premium May 2013 #79

The poster said militia types Progressive dog May 2013 #103

Ok, fair enough. premium May 2013 #104

I'm not talking about random shooters in mass shootings. MineralMan May 2013 #19

Caterwauling from Gun Enthusiasts re "AR-15-style rifle" in 3..2..1... Paladin May 2013 #20

Why? That's a good description Recursion May 2013 #39

Surely you jest. Paladin May 2013 #62

Nope. People complain about misuse of the phrases "assault rifle" and "assault weapon" mostly Recursion May 2013 #65

Who cares? This perp obviously acquired his AR-15 to use as an assault weapon. Most do I think. Hoyt May 2013 #84

And that usage is acceptable. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #119

The primary objection is usually made when AtheistCrusader May 2013 #118

Actually there's nothing wrong with that description. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #60

Surely you jest. (nt) Paladin May 2013 #66

You have two "gun" people saying the description is accurate and none complaining like you predicted Recursion May 2013 #67

Oh, it tells me plenty. (nt) Paladin May 2013 #101

Hopefully it told you AtheistCrusader May 2013 #122

Not even close. But thanks for playing. (nt) Paladin May 2013 #138

Hope springs eternal. Maybe someday you will. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #140

How many more incidents must we go through... Pragdem May 2013 #23

Drunk and stupid's no way to go thru life son One_Life_To_Give May 2013 #24

Ok, that made me laugh BrotherIvan May 2013 #30

Might have been an attempt at AtheistCrusader May 2013 #61

Doubtful. Drunk, dark and inexperienced is more likely JimDandy May 2013 #169

Well, it's not inconsistent with a suicide by cop. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #170

A police car spotlight in the dark appears to have blinded the gunman JimDandy May 2013 #197

I thought this wouldn't happen if you were carrying a gun liberal N proud May 2013 #27

There is no way...don't you know nobody survives an assault by someone rl6214 May 2013 #29

Is basic writing no longer taught in schools? Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #34

What was wrong with the writing in the article? Recursion May 2013 #40

The subject line has a misplaced modifier Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #41

Threw the cow over the fence some hay. Robb May 2013 #44

The piano was sold to the woman with spindly legs Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #47

This is precisely the sort of errant pedantry up with which I will not put! 11 Bravo May 2013 #82

Oh, right. Duh. To think I used to copy-edit Recursion May 2013 #46

Headlines often are written by others; an editor maybe. Buzz Clik May 2013 #51

I see what you mean... Bay Boy May 2013 #54

The officer brandishing a repeating breech-loading rifle musket would seem an over-reaction Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #58

Yep. Reading, too. Buzz Clik May 2013 #42

It's unfortunate that someone with weak writing skills can get a job writing newspaper articles Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #45

For Rimjob's sake, I hope he already donated to the freeper 2nd quarter fund drive. denverbill May 2013 #36

I pray that the Holy AR15 was not harmed jpak May 2013 #49

We need to find a way to allow guns to have guns to protect themselves. Buzz Clik May 2013 #52

Sounds like a "suicide by cop" case. FarCenter May 2013 #56

I have hundreds of gun threads trashed, but this one points out one of the ignored Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #59

Okay so let's think about this... Javaman May 2013 #63

This is why we need MOAR GUNZ!!!!!! kestrel91316 May 2013 #71

Driving without headlights? EC May 2013 #74

Perfect Timing - Lawsuit by 50 Colo Sheriffs otohara May 2013 #85

Clearly, he thought the officer was out of line by stopping him Horse with no Name May 2013 #89

Anyone Esle Ever Notice That Caeser67 May 2013 #91

Something is wrong with this picture. sulphurdunn May 2013 #93

I'd assume alcohol was involved MiniMe May 2013 #116

That would explain it. sulphurdunn May 2013 #132

What's wrong with it? If you're an idiot and believe reality is like a video game Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #142

Possibly, sulphurdunn May 2013 #147

Rifles aren't very useful when you're close to someone Recursion May 2013 #148

No offense, sulphurdunn May 2013 #190

well, no Recursion May 2013 #210

I fought in Vietnam sulphurdunn May 2013 #211

Well, I fought in Iraq and I say the opposite Recursion May 2013 #214

I think the shorter sulphurdunn May 2013 #215

Semper fi too Recursion May 2013 #216

It must be something sulphurdunn May 2013 #218

Nam vet here also, premium May 2013 #219

Yea, we called 'em sulphurdunn May 2013 #221

M-79. premium May 2013 #222

Right. M-79 not 72 sulphurdunn May 2013 #223

You're correct. premium May 2013 #224

The Muj had 9's, and knew how to use them Recursion May 2013 #220

Local story for me. The AR-15 guy has several alcohol offenses on his record. politicat May 2013 #183

thank you for the link. niyad May 2013 #195

No more guns for him. BVictor1 May 2013 #95

Very pleased the officer was not physically injured The Second Stone May 2013 #96

Yay, Freedom! Arugula Latte May 2013 #102

2nd Time This Month DallasNE May 2013 #107

law abiding responsible gun owner sigmasix May 2013 #131

What law that the NRA opposes would have prevented this? (nt) Recursion May 2013 #134

TLDR. Paragraph breaks are your friend. nt rrneck May 2013 #137

If only that policeman had been armed... Arkana May 2013 #178

Ummm... the guy the cop shot got hurt (nt) Recursion May 2013 #182

'no one tells a true hero of the 2nd amendment that they need headlights to drive. no one!' KG May 2013 #188

I can't believe the guy missed with an AR-15. It's one of the easiest firearms to shoot. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #192

See post 197. JimDandy May 2013 #203

maybe he didn't really shoot? maybe the story is not as published? HiPointDem May 2013 #212

(2:15 am) "here, hold my beer. What did you say?" librechik May 2013 #196

Lucky officer....... Historic NY May 2013 #205

The revolution against oppressive headlight requirements has begun! Deep13 May 2013 #226