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Tom Rinaldo

(23,187 posts)
14. I have no problem being upset with Apple over this matter, none at all.
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:01 PM
May 2013

However if they carefully took all steps needed to comply with the letter of the law there should not be a witch hunt looking for an excuse to prosecute them. I get that.

However there is a difference between unethical and illegal and just because something is legal doesn't mean I can't be upset over it being unethical. And Congress is not one monolithic entity either. Just like with the Supreme Court there are principled dissenting opinions that someday may evolve into the prevailing majority view point. So sure no doubt there are hypocritical show boating members of Congress as you describe, but there are also some voices in Congress who have long argued for tax fairness and greater economic justice. Just because those voices did not prevail when the tax loopholes that Apple used became law is no reason why those voices should be silent about this now. If anything they should be louder now that the intended result of those loopholes are clearly revealed.

I agree that it makes little sense to have selective outrage at Apple only just because it seems they may be a little bit more talented at playing a rigged game than some others. The anger should be over the rigged game, but it is appropriate to call public attention to an outrageous example of how that game is being played. That is how people grasp the concept - examples are always needed and is this is a damn good one. Not every corporation devotes as much energy to legally scamming the system as Apple has. If they get no flak for this the future trend line for corporate (legal) tax evasion) is obvious, and it will be even worse than what we subject to now.

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Here Here !!! Spot on Uni. n/t CincyDem May 2013 #1
Applause, applause, applause!! Bake May 2013 #2
Yes, the umbrage should be reserved for those who wrote the loopholes. randome May 2013 #3
Kudos to you randome. Your opinion is the most astute thing I've read on this forum so far. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #19
Shucks. You only say that because I'm always right. randome May 2013 #27
They broke no law because the law is broken liberal N proud May 2013 #4
If they aren't going to change the laws to make taxpaying more fair..then STFU!!! kelliekat44 May 2013 #5
can we please not do the "STFU" thing? Please. Nuclear Unicorn May 2013 #7
Which is what makes this a farce Nuclear Unicorn May 2013 #8
What if Congress brought in citizens and asked them: KurtNYC May 2013 #6
Of course the irony of what you say... RevStPatrick May 2013 #9
Yep, nailed it. n/t MadrasT May 2013 #10
They exploited a set of intentional loopholes to dodge their tax obligations. Just like Mitt Romney. pa28 May 2013 #11
Don't take the congratulatory part too literally. Nuclear Unicorn May 2013 #15
K and R Big time Savannahmann May 2013 #12
Hate the game not the player. Especially those that rig the game. Initech May 2013 #13
I have no problem being upset with Apple over this matter, none at all. Tom Rinaldo May 2013 #14
But that's the thing -- Nuclear Unicorn May 2013 #16
Brilliant!! badtoworse May 2013 #17
Using that logic Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #18
Pretty much the same.... Wounded Bear May 2013 #20
I don't feel like searching, but I seem to recall people wanting Romney in prison. Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #24
Prevailing attitudes have little bearing on written law. Nuclear Unicorn May 2013 #25
"Apple broke no law", you can't say that with any more authority than the people on the other Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #21
We may not be so far apart Nuclear Unicorn May 2013 #29
No we're not. However, I don't share you opinion that Congress created this because they're Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #33
apples big enough and ugly enough to jump to its own defense. Rise Rebel Resist May 2013 #22
To be fair, only about 40% of DUers favor the summary execution of Tim Cook. Nye Bevan May 2013 #23
I might have a little more sympathy for them if they employed more Americans... Blue_Tires May 2013 #26
Greedy, hateful, selfish, rotten bastards excoriating greedy, hateful, selfish, rotten bastards. MADem May 2013 #28
Stop busting on Apple! rightsideout May 2013 #30
"congress has no business complaining" unblock May 2013 #31
Poor widdle Apple. Fuddnik May 2013 #32
Tax Evasion- there's an app for that pitchforx May 2013 #34
Should Apple pay U.S. tax on revenue from products sold outside the U.S.? ZRT2209 May 2013 #35
Cons are roaring about this "librul" company xfundy May 2013 #36
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