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In reply to the discussion: All you ... PEOPLE who support breed bans: Let's Play FIND THE PIT BULL!! [View all]baldguy
(36,649 posts)136. So, your objection to the DNA testing is based on a CYA disclaimer on a retailers web store?
OOOKAAAY......
And I'll assume you've given up trying to refute the methodology for selecting the dogs? Good.
Let's see what the actual people who conducted the survey say about the DNA testing. Here's another survey from Levy, et al from 2010:
DNA Analysis:
MARS VETERINARY, Lincoln, Nebraska, performed the DNA analyses and reported to have an average accuracy of 84% in first-generation crossbred dogs of known parentage
All of the breeds identified by the adoption agencies were in the MARS database
Breeds must comprise at least 12.5% of the dogs make-up to be reported Adopting agencies identifications
All dogs had been identified as mixed breeds at time of adoption
16 dogs had been described as a specific breed mix
4 dogs were only identified by a type (2 shepherd mixes and 2 terrier mixes)
1 dog had been identified by both a specific breed (Chow Chow) and a type (terrier)
DNA and Adoption Agency Comparison
Only 25% (4/16) of the dogs identified by agencies as specified breed mixes were also identified as the same predominant breeds by DNA (3 were only 12.5% of the dogs composition)
No German Shepherd Dog ancestry was reported by DNA in the 2 dogs identified only as shepherd mixes by adoption agencies
In the 3 dogs described as terrier mixes, a terrier breed was only identified by DNA in one dog
In 15 of the 16 dogs, DNA analyses identified breeds as predominant that were not proposed by the adoption agencies
CONCLUSIONS
There is little correlation between dog adoption agencies identification of probable breed composition with the identification of breeds by DNA analysis
Further evaluation of the reliability and validity of visual dog breed identification is warranted
Justification of current public and private polices pertaining to breed specific regulations should be reviewed
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/Voith%20poster.pdf
MARS VETERINARY, Lincoln, Nebraska, performed the DNA analyses and reported to have an average accuracy of 84% in first-generation crossbred dogs of known parentage
All of the breeds identified by the adoption agencies were in the MARS database
Breeds must comprise at least 12.5% of the dogs make-up to be reported Adopting agencies identifications
All dogs had been identified as mixed breeds at time of adoption
16 dogs had been described as a specific breed mix
4 dogs were only identified by a type (2 shepherd mixes and 2 terrier mixes)
1 dog had been identified by both a specific breed (Chow Chow) and a type (terrier)
DNA and Adoption Agency Comparison
Only 25% (4/16) of the dogs identified by agencies as specified breed mixes were also identified as the same predominant breeds by DNA (3 were only 12.5% of the dogs composition)
No German Shepherd Dog ancestry was reported by DNA in the 2 dogs identified only as shepherd mixes by adoption agencies
In the 3 dogs described as terrier mixes, a terrier breed was only identified by DNA in one dog
In 15 of the 16 dogs, DNA analyses identified breeds as predominant that were not proposed by the adoption agencies
CONCLUSIONS
There is little correlation between dog adoption agencies identification of probable breed composition with the identification of breeds by DNA analysis
Further evaluation of the reliability and validity of visual dog breed identification is warranted
Justification of current public and private polices pertaining to breed specific regulations should be reviewed
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/Voith%20poster.pdf
And here's a second survey, confirming the results of the first:
The low percentage of agreement between visual and DNA identification may be partially explained by perception biases. However, DNA identification of the proportion of purebred breeds in mixed breed dogs is not perfect either, nor do the laboratories that provide such analyses claim to be infallible. The average accuracy of identification of the breeds in an individual dog can be expected to decrease as the heterogeneity of its ancestors increases. Canine Heritage states that their accuracy of identification of known registered purebred dogs is 99%. Wisdom Panel currently reports a 90% average accuracy of identification of F1 crosses of known registered purebred dogs.
http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/files/Transcribed-Interview-with-Dr_-Victoria-Voith.pdf
http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/files/Transcribed-Interview-with-Dr_-Victoria-Voith.pdf
Reports of DNA analyses of percentages of purebred dog breed ancestry, while accurate most of the time, are not infallible. The laboratories providing such analyses may have qualifiers in their reports stating that there is an 85% or 90% validity of the results and indicate which results have lower confidence levels. Different testing laboratories may report different results depending on which dogs were used to develop their standards and how the laboratories analyze the samples. As the tests are refined, the same laboratory may report slightly different results at different points in time.
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/linked/misbreed.pdf
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/linked/misbreed.pdf
Over at least three different surveys, the accuracy of DNA tests used is advertized as being up to 99% from the manufacturers, up to 90% observed for F1 crosses, and up to 85% observed for F2 crosses. In the same surveys, the accuracy for visual breed identification of mixed breeds by professional dog experts ranges from 16% to 43%.
So - FOR A THIRD TIME - if you have any actual peer-reviewed data to show that DNA testing is not accurate, show us. now you need to put up or shut up.
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All you ... PEOPLE who support breed bans: Let's Play FIND THE PIT BULL!! [View all]
baldguy
May 2013
OP
I'd start with the 'humans'. Look what the hell that we have done with this 'place'... eom
Purveyor
May 2013
#27
I'll guess 54 but have no clue. A couple I don't think so, but narrowed down to 4.
uppityperson
May 2013
#5
No fair! You didn't dress the pit bull crosses right for a where's the pit cross challenge...
pinboy3niner
May 2013
#11
You obviously haven't considered the pit bulls assisting with breast-feeding in Olive Gardens
pinboy3niner
May 2013
#16
Oh, dog 79 looks a lot like the doggie my daughter adopted from the pound!
Lone_Star_Dem
May 2013
#13
Very interesting breakdown of mixes, thank you. I ruled out the basset, never guessed chow and sprin
uppityperson
May 2013
#36
So, your objection to the DNA testing is based on a CYA disclaimer on a retailers web store?
baldguy
May 2013
#136
"an average accuracy of 84% in first-generation crossbred dogs of known parentage"
XemaSab
May 2013
#146
Aren't the American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier two different types,
blueamy66
May 2013
#129
DU has been talking about this for 2 weeks, & there are literally a million web sites on the subject
baldguy
May 2013
#141
This works just the same as you trying to figure out what an assault weapon is.
CokeMachine
May 2013
#54
Not odd at all. They are typical Americans, living in terror of the extremely unlikely
Egalitarian Thug
May 2013
#57
There are 24 dogs that are part American Staffordshire Terrier or Staffordshire Bull Terrier
baldguy
May 2013
#80
You finally drove me over the edge. I would never say this under ordinary circumstances.
randome
May 2013
#112
if a dog shows a propensity for agression (breed) or actual agression, destroy it
galileoreloaded
May 2013
#118
I think it is safe to say that baldguy is putting on the dog, at the very least.
Nimajneb Nilknarf
May 2013
#132
I don't know what a pit bull looks like, but Dog 89 looks like the curr that micturated on my boots.
Nimajneb Nilknarf
May 2013
#128
I don't have a dog in this fight (mine's a Sheltie), but 1. that's a Wikipedia page
ScreamingMeemie
May 2013
#152