Do smoking bans apply to e-cigarettes?

[beevul]

216. Uh huh.

"You've consistently refused to produce any links to any research backing up your claims."

I don't need to provide shit. I'm not proposing anything be banned. You are. The onus is on you to justify a ban, not on everyone else to justify things being allowed. That's how things work in a free society for the third time.

"What e-cigarette manufacturer are YOU working for?"

Really? Am I trying to force anyone to use them? Am I trying to sell them? Yeah, I didn't think so.

You on the other hand...I do recall you using standard antz talking points. I do remember you calling for a ban.


"When I was younger and there were no smoking bans anywhere, I had to work 8 hours a day in a small room with 12 desks, and 8 of those at the desks were chain smokers. The windows were non-openable. The non-smokers weren't supposed to be bothered because "cigarette smoke isn't an allergen, it's an irritant." Well, that irritant developed into asthma for me, and then into pneumonia."

"Restaurants and airplanes were full of clouds of smoke, too -- and anyone who worked in those places was also exposed to constant second hand smoke."

"So I'll always be grateful to the people at the anti-smoking orgs who fought so hard over the years to get our indoor air clean, and I'm glad they're doing what they can to make sure they stay that way."

Bully for you. Have you researched asthmatics who vape, or bothered to test yourself around a vaper and see if it sets off an attack? Or do you need research to decide those outcomes for you?


"And I'm glad if smokers can get their nicotine fix in a safer way, or better yet, get off the stuff altogether. But don't expect people like me to believe that these devices don't pollute the air -- not without the research that these manufacturers are refusing to provide. Anyone who's read about the history of tobacco knows that cigarettes were once marketed as a health product. And then menthol was supposed to be an added benefit. And people believed it..."

Once again, manufacturers aren't "refusing" anything. You keep asserting it, but you've never shown where research was requested of them by the fda or any other body. Being in the know myself, I know it has never happened, and that your spewing a falsehood. And knowing that you've been told this previously in this thread, I know you're spewing this particular falsehood deliberately, and so does anyone else that gives a shit and bothers to read the whole thread.

I'm a member of ECF, that forum I linked in another post, and I see examples of this sort of methodology of posting pejoratively about e-cigs regularly. I'm intimately familiar with the tactics of the antz, and you're either running plays from their book, or its a huge cosmic "stars aligning once every billion years" magnitude of a coincidence. I don't expect you to "believe" anything. I expect you to start acting like an intelligent liberal, and find out for yourself whether these e-cigs are a problem for you where your asthma is concerned, for starters. I expect you to start acting like a truth seeker, and talking to people, rather than letting some "research" which could be biased in any direction depending on who funds it, decide what you think.

You need to get this through your head:

Vapers aren't smokers.

The vaping industry isn't big tobacco 2.0.

As for me, I'm a former machinist. I had my last cigarette January 2 of this year, after smoking heavily (and I do mean heavily - couple packs a day, huge drags, long held inhale) for 26 years. I switched to E-cigs, and I KNOW they work, where the patch, lozenges, and cold turkey failed. For both myself, and for my other half who smoked heavily for 30 plus years as well.

I currently use whats called a "mod". It is variable voltage or variable wattage, depending on how you set the settings. I use cartomizers in it, made by bogetech.

It looks like this:



It takes rechargeable batteries in the 18650 format. I chose Panasonic 3400 mah batteries, which I can vape on for roughly two days before I need to swap to a fresh one, and throw the other on the charger.

I use whats called a carto tank, which screws into the top.. There are many different ones, buyt the one I use is called the locking udct tank, made by smoktek. It looks like this:



When installed, it looks similar to this:





I get my e-juice from a place in MN, called vermillion river e-juice, mainly - as finding a flavor that I can vape all the time - known in vaping circles as an "all day vape" isn't an easy thing to do. Everyone has a different sense of flavor. I currently vape cinnamon roll flavor. it only took being away from ciggs 3 days before they tasted and smelled horrible to me, and I prefer a sweet vape instead.

FWIW, theres 5 different companies worth of stuff there. I don't work for any of them. Oh, and none of them, or the level of quality/engineering employed in their design, or the purity of the juices used in them, were around in 2009.

It took me a couple months of trial and error to find the right combination - battery/power delivery device, juice holder, cartomizer, and juice, just to find a single flavor that I can vape and not dislike, and roughly 5 months of searching to find a second flavor.

I'm sure that means absolutely nothing to you, but it was a hard journey for me. The patch and lozenges and cold turkey failed MY research - I tried them earnestly, and they failed. The e-cigs didn't.

I get a little touchy when I hear the same old talking points that come from the antz, being spewed repeatedly in spite of 20 other posters telling you you're wrong. I get even more touchy, when someone clearly ignorant of the current state of affairs, proclaims the worst based on that ignorance, and demands a ban until someone can assuage their fears, when the onus is on the banners to justify the limitations they seek to impose.