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18. it's not about a pocketful of money. it's about a more equal society. and yeah, more equality

Fri May 24, 2013, 04:54 AM

May 2013

translates to less crime, of all kinds.

no worries on people in detroit stepping up. the bigshots are already buying up real estate right & left, and have been for some time, even as they were promoting the picture of detroit as a wasteland of vandals and junkies.

it makes prime real estate a lot cheaper. and detroit for various reasons is prime real estate.

within 10 years you won't recognize the place: mark my words.

i'm not going to waste any time trying to convince you; i'm just going to tell you that it's very easy for big capital to turn any city or town into a detroit, with all its attendant ills. they can do it quite deliberately, and do. it doesn't matter what kind of people live there, what color, religion, ethnicity they are -- everywhere is potentially detroit.

similarly, the same people can turn detroit into -- well, modern-day new york. which was once sort of like detroit, or at least vast swathes of it were.

and they're in the process.

you think some people just *are* criminals; they have some essential identity as 'criminals'. and other people are *not* criminals; they also have that essential identity.

therefore, the problems of detroit are about low-level criminals who have 'ruined' the city. it's just bullshit. but i understand you can't see it that way.

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Minister Farrakhan Reminds Black Detroit to Stick Together [View all] FrodosPet May 2013 OP

John Conyers apologizes for Louis Farrakhan's anti-Semitic remarks FrodosPet May 2013 #1

He's wrong about gay marriage. NOLALady May 2013 #2

+ a million. He's also wrong on his anti-Semitism Number23 May 2013 #14

This guy is wrong and even kooky on a whole buncha issues. alp227 May 2013 #118

I'm black I like Farrakhan and what the NOI is supposed to stand for because more black people craigmatic May 2013 #3

Group denounces Farrakhan's anti-Semitic comments in Detroit church FrodosPet May 2013 #4

The NOI is a hate group. Here is what the SPLC has to say cali May 2013 #20

I don't agree with what he says about jews. craigmatic May 2013 #63

I'd like to say fair enough, but it's not. that's like someone saying cali May 2013 #67

Look man historically most of the presidents were racists even FDR, Truman,LBJ, Lincoln, etc. craigmatic May 2013 #70

Being a racist in 1860 and being a racist in 2013 are totally different XemaSab May 2013 #115

So the past is always and only, prologue? cali May 2013 #133

Sure. I agree. NOLALady May 2013 #128

LOL. I am dying. How much nerve do you have to have to feel you need to explain to a black person Number23 May 2013 #132

tell it to the SPLC cali May 2013 #135

No one at the SPLC would be stupid enough to equate the NOI with the KKK Number23 May 2013 #141

that is true historically about the KKK It hasn't been true for decades cali May 2013 #134

You should believe anything that suits you. NOLALady Jun 2013 #143

Isn't there anyone else who's calling for more self-reliance in the black community? KamaAina May 2013 #73

The homophobia comment I get, the anti-semitism too but how is he racist? craigmatic May 2013 #78

He speaks of the melanin-challenged as "white devils" KamaAina May 2013 #79

Look I'm just going to be honest here if you're trying to make me disavow him you're wasting your craigmatic May 2013 #82

Yes, I do. And I do call him out on it. KamaAina May 2013 #85

My whole point is that since when do outsiders get to tell a group who their leadership should be? craigmatic May 2013 #90

John Conyers called Farrakhan out on his bigotry, too. KamaAina May 2013 #91

No but he's a politician who doesn't wanna rock the boat. How old is he like 70-something? craigmatic May 2013 #98

Or maybe he objects to anti-Jewish and anti-LGBT geek tragedy May 2013 #100

We could both be right you know. craigmatic May 2013 #101

Ain't that something? onpatrol98 May 2013 #109

Nice to see you again, onpatrol! Number23 May 2013 #113

I know, right. onpatrol98 May 2013 #124

Exactly. What I see is a thread in which every black person posting in it has said Number23 May 2013 #127

I am not going to tell anyone who to listen to, but I will call out racist pieces shit cali May 2013 #138

Then I will add that it's a very good thing that your opinion, on this issue and ANY OTHER Number23 May 2013 #142

Thank You. NOLALady May 2013 #129

Sorry for the salty language, NOLALady. But this is exactly the kind of thing that makes me want Number23 May 2013 #130

Imagine for a moment that the gay rights movement in this country dsc May 2013 #136

so no one should call out Israelis on their choice of leadership? Happens every day here in I/P cali May 2013 #137

I hate those black devils stinking up our cities XemaSab May 2013 #116

first of all black people sure as shit aren't the only ones that have to disavow someone if they're cali May 2013 #131

So you admire him for the same reason he admires Hitler geek tragedy May 2013 #74

Show me exactly where you got that from with a date and location of where the comments were made. craigmatic May 2013 #80

Okay . . . geek tragedy May 2013 #81

Ok now that I see the context of it I get what he was saying. craigmatic May 2013 #84

Your comparison is worthy of Mel Gibson. Kerry was a hero. Farrakhan is a bigot. geek tragedy May 2013 #86

Ok so we're just going to completely ignore what led to all that happening? craigmatic May 2013 #88

The wider backlash against Jackson was due to his bigoted remarks geek tragedy May 2013 #92

Just let the record show that you said Jewish conspiracy not me. craigmatic May 2013 #96

Just to be clear: geek tragedy May 2013 #99

Don't strawman me, sir. craigmatic May 2013 #102

Sir, I understand what you say perfectly. geek tragedy May 2013 #104

Look at my other posts in this thread if you wanna know how I feel about his craigmatic May 2013 #105

nope. you said it. You didn't use the word conspiracy but you sure as shit said it. cali May 2013 #140

wowzer. you've come right out of your closet. It was the Jews fault. cali May 2013 #139

Farrakhan is a fascinating character malaise May 2013 #5

well, that sick shit. he's a bigoted piece of shit. and listening to him and excusing him puts cali May 2013 #8

Enjoy your hate rally. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #9

He's a hate monger, a hate preacher, a worthless purveyor of ignoance and misinformation Bluenorthwest May 2013 #6

shocking. people not supporting bigotry cali May 2013 #7

you mean you don't think blacks should stick together or band together to buy property in HiPointDem May 2013 #10

I've supported African Americans buying property and starting businesses for years FrodosPet May 2013 #11

sure. but denouncing it does little good when the issues that bring people to farrakhan are not HiPointDem May 2013 #12

By any chance, do you live in Michigan? FrodosPet May 2013 #13

I doubt anyone has to suffer, were revenues assessed & distributed equitably. By which I mean: HiPointDem May 2013 #16

If people had a pocket full of money, they would not be criminals? FrodosPet May 2013 #17

it's not about a pocketful of money. it's about a more equal society. and yeah, more equality HiPointDem May 2013 #18

I guess me just is too dumb to understand big smart talk? FrodosPet May 2013 #24

It's nothing to do with intelligence. If I gave you that impression, it wasn't my intention. HiPointDem May 2013 #26

So in the 1930s in Germany XemaSab May 2013 #117

noi is in no way analogous to the 1930s-era nazis. but interesting you'd claim it was. HiPointDem May 2013 #119

At one point the Nazis were just a group of jerks holding meetings in bars XemaSab May 2013 #120

I have to spell it out for you? NOI is a black organization. Black people are a historically HiPointDem May 2013 #121

So because you're a persecuted minority XemaSab May 2013 #122

you like straw men? interesting. no, because NOI is a group based on the position of black HiPointDem May 2013 #123

He is a homophobic, anti-Semitic bigot supremacist. Behind the Aegis May 2013 #15

+ 1,000,000! pink-o May 2013 #40

Seeing people support this leftynyc May 2013 #19

they should be kicked off of DU just as anyone who supported David Duke would be kicked offf cali May 2013 #21

But they wont be kicked off leftynyc May 2013 #22

I don't know why cali May 2013 #23

OK - I'll say it leftynyc May 2013 #25

religion is crapped on here regularly, but islam in no way gets a pass. this thread is mostly HiPointDem May 2013 #27

do you grasp why Farrakhan should be roundly condemned on a site like DU? cali May 2013 #28

... HiPointDem May 2013 #30

yes, people are drawn to shit when they're desperate. cali May 2013 #32

actually, i'm not the reluctant type, cali. HiPointDem May 2013 #34

you play cutesy. cali May 2013 #36

i don't want or need your admiration, cali. HiPointDem May 2013 #39

that's both true and not true. yes, there are people here who give Islam a pass they don't cali May 2013 #29

no, it wouldn't be condemned by 100% of the people if it were about muslims. condemnation HiPointDem May 2013 #31

If I wrote that some Christian leader said Muslims are satanic cali May 2013 #33

maybe if *you* said it. but what if some comparable public figure said it -- like obama, or the HiPointDem May 2013 #38

no there would not be. cali May 2013 #45

oh, i think we would. but we'll wait for a real life example, though perhaps 'satanic' is HiPointDem May 2013 #46

Everybody has their own personal biases leftynyc May 2013 #35

well, we agree to disagree. As I said, I think Islam gets both undue opprobrium cali May 2013 #37

I may not always agree with you leftynyc May 2013 #42

thank you and same to you. cali May 2013 #43

i'm devastated to hear that. but i'll continue to comment on posts that interest me nevertheless. HiPointDem May 2013 #47

"Racist homophobe says to eat right and exercise." Iggo May 2013 #41

farrakhan provides some people with an explanation of why their world is the way it is, something HiPointDem May 2013 #44

It is his defining characteristic... Pelican May 2013 #48

it's immaterial to my point. HiPointDem May 2013 #49

Which is what? Pelican May 2013 #50

NOI has been saying the same things since it was founded. But it's still around, & highly visible. HiPointDem May 2013 #51

oh bullshit. I doubt that the ptb gives a flying fuck about NOI cali May 2013 #52

whatever you say, cali. HiPointDem May 2013 #53

the government/elite is uninterested in Muslims, radicals, black people, etc. onpatrol98 May 2013 #110

So what? Pelican May 2013 #54

yes, they are. as are the organizations they've mutated into. HiPointDem May 2013 #57

For the record Democracyinkind May 2013 #55

It's a losing battle... Pelican May 2013 #56

what is the table you're talking about? the whole point of the louis farrakhans of the world HiPointDem May 2013 #60

Who here advocates his being at the table? Democracyinkind May 2013 #62

that's exactly what i meant, & i don't think it was unclear. there are certain posters that have HiPointDem May 2013 #59

I agree with you Harmony Blue May 2013 #58

thanks for the support. it's a sensitive subject. HiPointDem May 2013 #61

Thank you craigmatic May 2013 #64

why do you excuse Farrahkhan's bigotry and hate? cali May 2013 #65

Let me ask you a personal question. craigmatic May 2013 #71

no. and I suggest you check out the I/P column for my posts cali May 2013 #89

If you were people would try to get you to do what you're trying to get me to do here. craigmatic May 2013 #93

by your reasoning, David Duke is fine and dandy because some of what he says cali May 2013 #95

Well you're entitled to your opinion and I am too. craigmatic May 2013 #97

Obama flew to D.C. to attend Farrakhan's Million Man March onpatrol98 May 2013 #111

I dont have a dog in this fight one way or another, Separation May 2013 #66

Farrakhan compared himself to Hitler,calling Hitler geek tragedy May 2013 #76

Wow, that is pretty unbelievable. Separation May 2013 #103

Farrakhan is a piece of shit. The Link May 2013 #68

Next week, lets talk about all the good things Westboro does! Prism May 2013 #69

Did he say anything about the civil rights of Detroiters being trashed? KamaAina May 2013 #72

Louis Farrakhan blasts emergency management, calls on blacks to buy up Detroit property HiPointDem May 2013 #77

Fuck Farrakhan. That he has admirers in the black community geek tragedy May 2013 #75

A few thoughts... onpatrol98 May 2013 #83

I think many here don't understand Farrakan's historic appeal in parts of the black community. kwassa May 2013 #106

Good Point... onpatrol98 May 2013 #108

Here's the problem. The OP has a provocative headline that contains 2 topics ecstatic May 2013 #87

And some see the mindless railing and it reminds us of why there are about 10 black posters here Number23 May 2013 #112

That guy is no Jesse Jackson and he sure as hell is no MLK. nt Deep13 May 2013 #94

I think you are wrong about Farrakhan's influence; he is an outlier. kwassa May 2013 #107

"The best thing you can do with Farrakhan is ignore him." Agree 100%, kwassa Number23 May 2013 #114

True... onpatrol98 May 2013 #125

It's good to see you, too. onpatrol98 May 2013 #126