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36. So now being interested in guns is bad?

Fri May 24, 2013, 07:22 AM

May 2013

I wonder why the same people who seem enamored of guns in other contexts are now horrified by the idea of someone showing an interest in guns?

There must be some reason but what could it possibly be? I wonder... I wonder...

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Defense in Trayvon Martin Case Raises Questions About the Victim’s Character [View all] Purveyor May 2013 OP

First why is that admissible? still_one May 2013 #1

IDK. Because it may be a death penalty case? IMO, Zim belonged in his car. EOM. freshwest May 2013 #4

The question is was he threatening zim or was zim threatening him still_one May 2013 #8

Rape shield law is different newmember May 2013 #23

Agree, it is not treestar May 2013 #32

Ummm..... jberryhill May 2013 #70

It won't be. WinkyDink May 2013 #46

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #98

second, why was the defense given access to martin's cell phone records? niyad May 2013 #2

Don't they have to do that in discovery? The cell phone record is part of the prosecution's case. freshwest May 2013 #5

Prosecution can't withold evidence that could assist the defense davidn3600 May 2013 #6

I can see the phone records from the night of the murder--but NOT from months prior to that. niyad May 2013 #16

We have this stupid rule.... jberryhill May 2013 #102

Totally fucking irrelevant MotherPetrie May 2013 #3

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #129

Mr. Martin, who had no criminal record........... lunasun May 2013 #7

Golly gee whiz! Then what is all the fuss about? curlyred May 2013 #9

Bad If it shows his intention of buying an illegal weapon newmember May 2013 #10

How is that bad? Iggo May 2013 #12

Its bad for anybody to be found out doing this. newmember May 2013 #13

I meant for the case... Iggo May 2013 #14

It's irrelevant to the case newmember May 2013 #15

Exactly. Iggo May 2013 #33

Thanks iggo JustAnotherGen May 2013 #39

Kewl story bro! Rex May 2013 #96

He was not carrying an illegal weapon. Irrelevant. Totally. Buzz Clik May 2013 #128

I doubt any of this will be admissable but I am no expert Demo_Chris May 2013 #11

Defense will claim... Pelican May 2013 #18

Yeah, I don't know how admissable any of that is.... Demo_Chris May 2013 #20

It's going to depend on the judge and what the prosecution has admitted newmember May 2013 #19

If so, then one hopes Zimmerman's past is also admitted. If so he's finished. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #21

I don't know about that , he wasn't convicted of domestic violence newmember May 2013 #22

He was also terminated from a job for assault Demo_Chris May 2013 #25

I agree , the only thing that matters is what happened those few minutes newmember May 2013 #26

What I wanted to ask you is are you convinced newmember May 2013 #28

Having been stalked JustAnotherGen May 2013 #41

Zimmerman stalked Trayvon. Why should Zimmy get to defend himself, yet Trayvon not? uppityperson May 2013 #43

Self defense is protected and allowed in every state newmember May 2013 #44

This did not happen "at 3:00 am in the morning" Cal Carpenter May 2013 #48

Thank you for the correction , it's been a while since I followed this but newmember May 2013 #49

Wow, I didn't realize we had a witness as a DU member. Cool! uppityperson May 2013 #50

Like I said you are convinced Zimmerman is guilty of racism and murder newmember May 2013 #54

I am amazed you didn't tell us before now that you were an eye witness. Too modest perhaps? uppityperson May 2013 #55

search it your self newmember May 2013 #56

Claims made without supporting links = nonsense. eom uppityperson May 2013 #58

you are conveniently overlooking a tiny little fact. zimmerman was told by the police dispatcher to niyad May 2013 #131

Do you have a link to prove Zimmerman continued following Martin after newmember May 2013 #136

right after you present your proof for all your assertions, which you have not done. but you niyad May 2013 #137

So you don't have one...gotcha newmember May 2013 #138

oh, sweetie, you have to try a lot harder than that. as I said, as soon as YOU produce links niyad May 2013 #140

already did sweetie newmember May 2013 #141

Also the very first wittiness that came forward on this was a african american male child newmember May 2013 #51

You claim "wittiness" but don't give links, just rely on your memory. Did you know that eyewitnesses uppityperson May 2013 #57

Are you kidding me , this whole thing is about racism newmember May 2013 #71

You gave me no links. I will go search and see if you gave them to someone else. Yup. uppityperson May 2013 #72

Do you have a link to any of that? Hoyt May 2013 #59

I don't newmember May 2013 #62

Most folks know Zimmerman grabbed his gun and stalked Martin. Are you sure Hoyt May 2013 #63

Read this newmember May 2013 #64

Hahahaha. You are claiming all sorts of contradictory things. Funny, that. uppityperson May 2013 #73

I said he said that to the reporter , which he did newmember May 2013 #75

So the 13 yr old is your "Two eye witnesses that said the same thing". OK uppityperson May 2013 #76

And you know what her hind sight was???? Al Sharpton newmember May 2013 #77

Holy crap! I didn't know Al Sharpton was a police investigator too. Cool! Thanks for the information uppityperson May 2013 #78

why don't you admit I'm right and you were wrong on this newmember May 2013 #80

Link to Al Sharpton being a police investigator is needed otherwise, again, it is just words. uppityperson May 2013 #81

Like I said you know I'm right newmember May 2013 #83

I've met Al and never knew he was a police investigator. Your claim is the only one I've ever read uppityperson May 2013 #84

Ii don't have a problem that he was charged . my problem is let the facts convict or acquit newmember May 2013 #65

Your "facts"? uppityperson May 2013 #74

Not mine ....they are what they are newmember May 2013 #79

the 13 yr old is "Two eye witnesses that said the same thing" and that's a Fact(tm)? uppityperson May 2013 #82

We went through this in another thread newmember May 2013 #85

If it's not racism, what is your explanation for Zimmerman following Martin? reusrename May 2013 #113

That is a lot of assumptions there. Is it within reason that Trayvon felt he was going to be seriou uppityperson May 2013 #52

It's clear you have zero fucking idea Blue_Tires May 2013 #133

But it is irrelevant to Zimmerman's vigilantism. morningfog May 2013 #24

Never going to happen. WinkyDink May 2013 #47

Translation: HE'S BLACK!!! muntrv May 2013 #17

This. N/t backscatter712 May 2013 #116

The victim's 'character' is 'deceased.' And Justin Frigging Beiber is "enamoured of the gangsta MADem May 2013 #27

I question the character of someone who roams his neighborhood day and night with a gun Incitatus May 2013 #29

+1. And has a record of violent behavior a mile long. freshwest May 2013 #66

Apparently people don't understand teens and bravado once again. hollysmom May 2013 #30

Sometimes teens go through a dark period defacto7 May 2013 #31

Agreed. All of this could have been avoided if Z had stood his ground inside his truck. freshwest May 2013 #68

I think the defense is just HappyMe May 2013 #34

character assasination. that's all the defense has and they know it. cali May 2013 #35

Exactly. HappyMe May 2013 #37

So now being interested in guns is bad? Nine May 2013 #36

Interesting point. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #53

Next, the defense will enter his race into the record Capt. Obvious May 2013 #38

+1 uponit7771 May 2013 #89

George Zimmerman murdered an unarmed Trayvon Martin malaise May 2013 #40

I agree. Problem is that Zimmerman only has to convince one bigot/gun nut on jury. Hoyt May 2013 #61

And that's all this is about malaise May 2013 #87

I have never said Trayvon was a good person. NCTraveler May 2013 #42

Not surprising sarisataka May 2013 #45

So Zimmerman is trying to show that Trayvon was a teenager? Starry Messenger May 2013 #60

Yup, the ol' 'he needed killing' defense. Doesn't work as well as it once did. Hope it won't work. freshwest May 2013 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #124

Martin is not on trial. Zimmerman is. Warpy May 2013 #67

The point of this release isn't to smear Martin's character but to paint a picture of a person who dkf May 2013 #86

Then let ZMan submit his voice for anaylsis and case closed, no one's goin to argue that the uponit7771 May 2013 #91

I'm sure they will. dkf May 2013 #100

marks on knees that "look like grass stains" which of course the ONLY way a teen boy could get those uppityperson May 2013 #105

But it's a plausible explanation. dkf May 2013 #107

I would expect a LOT more stains from someone kneeling in the grass over a struggling person. uppityperson May 2013 #109

But you would admit if one person has grass stains on their knees and the other has none.... dkf May 2013 #111

Given that Zimmerman's defence is that Martin attacked him, this seems entirely relevant. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #88

how? tia uponit7771 May 2013 #90

Because the plausibility of that defence partially depends on Martin's character. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #92

It works both ways. When Zimmerman stuck his gun in his pants and went after a Black teen, Hoyt May 2013 #93

Do you think that should be concealed from the jury? Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #97

I suspect one or more bigoted folks steeped in guns will be on jury. Hoyt May 2013 #104

I think the reverse is also a serious worry, possibly more so. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #106

I think Zimmerman did the prejudging, then executed an UNARMED teenager. Hoyt May 2013 #108

By "support" do you mean "lack of certainty that he is guilty"? Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #114

MY contempt for him comes from my certainty he was not acting in self defense, based on evidence. uppityperson May 2013 #122

What makes you so certain? Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #123

He shot and killed Trayvon. He followed him, shot and killed him. He is guilty of that. uppityperson May 2013 #110

That is neither in dispute, nor in itself grounds for a conviction. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #112

If he did, it was self-defense on Martin's part. I hope he kicked the murdering gun wielding bigot. Hoyt May 2013 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #117

Absolutely not - being followed is not an excuse for physical assault. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #118

Nope. Stuffing a gun in your pants and taking off after an unarmed teen Hoyt May 2013 #119

Desert is irrelevant to the law, and it scares me that you think it is. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #120

I do not think there are many deserts in Florida and not sure why you bring one up. uppityperson May 2013 #125

Right, it's getting too late for me (it's nearly midnight here). I'll check back in the morning. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #126

The jury can look at this as bigots, or as citizens who don't tolerate Hoyt May 2013 #134

I wouldn't call a propensity to fight a "character issue" necessarily. dkf May 2013 #101

It's irrelevant to the case legally tavernier May 2013 #94

No, it's not a two equal sides scenario. Moses2SandyKoufax May 2013 #99

Not if it shows a pattern of behavior that Trayvon was getting into fights recently dkf May 2013 #103

SO guns are scary and dangerous, UNLESS Rex May 2013 #95

I fail to see the strategy here shawn703 May 2013 #121

Oh, shit. I love lawyers -- not! Buzz Clik May 2013 #127

Jesus fucking christ... Blue_Tires May 2013 #130

If it were a white teenager would it matter? Moses2SandyKoufax May 2013 #132

Exactly. Hoyt May 2013 #135

He still murdered an innocent person in cold blood madokie May 2013 #139