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55. For the record

Fri May 24, 2013, 09:09 AM

May 2013

I do care about why people (and what people) are attracted to the David Dukes of this world. Trying to understand that is something entirely else than justifying it. Not all explanations are justifications - there'd be no science if it were so.

I think Hipoint is making an interesting point that can be easily misunderstood and then construed as support for Farrakhan, which it is not.

Farrakhan offers a narrative that is more in line with their actual experiences than the structural explanations they have been otherwise fed with.

I find that statement absolutely uncontroversial. Also, it does not in the least diminish his bigotry. One can agree with the above statement and still condemn him as a bigot. Which is what I have tried to achieve with this point.

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Minister Farrakhan Reminds Black Detroit to Stick Together [View all] FrodosPet May 2013 OP

John Conyers apologizes for Louis Farrakhan's anti-Semitic remarks FrodosPet May 2013 #1

He's wrong about gay marriage. NOLALady May 2013 #2

+ a million. He's also wrong on his anti-Semitism Number23 May 2013 #14

This guy is wrong and even kooky on a whole buncha issues. alp227 May 2013 #118

I'm black I like Farrakhan and what the NOI is supposed to stand for because more black people craigmatic May 2013 #3

Group denounces Farrakhan's anti-Semitic comments in Detroit church FrodosPet May 2013 #4

The NOI is a hate group. Here is what the SPLC has to say cali May 2013 #20

I don't agree with what he says about jews. craigmatic May 2013 #63

I'd like to say fair enough, but it's not. that's like someone saying cali May 2013 #67

Look man historically most of the presidents were racists even FDR, Truman,LBJ, Lincoln, etc. craigmatic May 2013 #70

Being a racist in 1860 and being a racist in 2013 are totally different XemaSab May 2013 #115

So the past is always and only, prologue? cali May 2013 #133

Sure. I agree. NOLALady May 2013 #128

LOL. I am dying. How much nerve do you have to have to feel you need to explain to a black person Number23 May 2013 #132

tell it to the SPLC cali May 2013 #135

No one at the SPLC would be stupid enough to equate the NOI with the KKK Number23 May 2013 #141

that is true historically about the KKK It hasn't been true for decades cali May 2013 #134

You should believe anything that suits you. NOLALady Jun 2013 #143

Isn't there anyone else who's calling for more self-reliance in the black community? KamaAina May 2013 #73

The homophobia comment I get, the anti-semitism too but how is he racist? craigmatic May 2013 #78

He speaks of the melanin-challenged as "white devils" KamaAina May 2013 #79

Look I'm just going to be honest here if you're trying to make me disavow him you're wasting your craigmatic May 2013 #82

Yes, I do. And I do call him out on it. KamaAina May 2013 #85

My whole point is that since when do outsiders get to tell a group who their leadership should be? craigmatic May 2013 #90

John Conyers called Farrakhan out on his bigotry, too. KamaAina May 2013 #91

No but he's a politician who doesn't wanna rock the boat. How old is he like 70-something? craigmatic May 2013 #98

Or maybe he objects to anti-Jewish and anti-LGBT geek tragedy May 2013 #100

We could both be right you know. craigmatic May 2013 #101

Ain't that something? onpatrol98 May 2013 #109

Nice to see you again, onpatrol! Number23 May 2013 #113

I know, right. onpatrol98 May 2013 #124

Exactly. What I see is a thread in which every black person posting in it has said Number23 May 2013 #127

I am not going to tell anyone who to listen to, but I will call out racist pieces shit cali May 2013 #138

Then I will add that it's a very good thing that your opinion, on this issue and ANY OTHER Number23 May 2013 #142

Thank You. NOLALady May 2013 #129

Sorry for the salty language, NOLALady. But this is exactly the kind of thing that makes me want Number23 May 2013 #130

Imagine for a moment that the gay rights movement in this country dsc May 2013 #136

so no one should call out Israelis on their choice of leadership? Happens every day here in I/P cali May 2013 #137

I hate those black devils stinking up our cities XemaSab May 2013 #116

first of all black people sure as shit aren't the only ones that have to disavow someone if they're cali May 2013 #131

So you admire him for the same reason he admires Hitler geek tragedy May 2013 #74

Show me exactly where you got that from with a date and location of where the comments were made. craigmatic May 2013 #80

Okay . . . geek tragedy May 2013 #81

Ok now that I see the context of it I get what he was saying. craigmatic May 2013 #84

Your comparison is worthy of Mel Gibson. Kerry was a hero. Farrakhan is a bigot. geek tragedy May 2013 #86

Ok so we're just going to completely ignore what led to all that happening? craigmatic May 2013 #88

The wider backlash against Jackson was due to his bigoted remarks geek tragedy May 2013 #92

Just let the record show that you said Jewish conspiracy not me. craigmatic May 2013 #96

Just to be clear: geek tragedy May 2013 #99

Don't strawman me, sir. craigmatic May 2013 #102

Sir, I understand what you say perfectly. geek tragedy May 2013 #104

Look at my other posts in this thread if you wanna know how I feel about his craigmatic May 2013 #105

nope. you said it. You didn't use the word conspiracy but you sure as shit said it. cali May 2013 #140

wowzer. you've come right out of your closet. It was the Jews fault. cali May 2013 #139

Farrakhan is a fascinating character malaise May 2013 #5

well, that sick shit. he's a bigoted piece of shit. and listening to him and excusing him puts cali May 2013 #8

Enjoy your hate rally. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #9

He's a hate monger, a hate preacher, a worthless purveyor of ignoance and misinformation Bluenorthwest May 2013 #6

shocking. people not supporting bigotry cali May 2013 #7

you mean you don't think blacks should stick together or band together to buy property in HiPointDem May 2013 #10

I've supported African Americans buying property and starting businesses for years FrodosPet May 2013 #11

sure. but denouncing it does little good when the issues that bring people to farrakhan are not HiPointDem May 2013 #12

By any chance, do you live in Michigan? FrodosPet May 2013 #13

I doubt anyone has to suffer, were revenues assessed & distributed equitably. By which I mean: HiPointDem May 2013 #16

If people had a pocket full of money, they would not be criminals? FrodosPet May 2013 #17

it's not about a pocketful of money. it's about a more equal society. and yeah, more equality HiPointDem May 2013 #18

I guess me just is too dumb to understand big smart talk? FrodosPet May 2013 #24

It's nothing to do with intelligence. If I gave you that impression, it wasn't my intention. HiPointDem May 2013 #26

So in the 1930s in Germany XemaSab May 2013 #117

noi is in no way analogous to the 1930s-era nazis. but interesting you'd claim it was. HiPointDem May 2013 #119

At one point the Nazis were just a group of jerks holding meetings in bars XemaSab May 2013 #120

I have to spell it out for you? NOI is a black organization. Black people are a historically HiPointDem May 2013 #121

So because you're a persecuted minority XemaSab May 2013 #122

you like straw men? interesting. no, because NOI is a group based on the position of black HiPointDem May 2013 #123

He is a homophobic, anti-Semitic bigot supremacist. Behind the Aegis May 2013 #15

+ 1,000,000! pink-o May 2013 #40

Seeing people support this leftynyc May 2013 #19

they should be kicked off of DU just as anyone who supported David Duke would be kicked offf cali May 2013 #21

But they wont be kicked off leftynyc May 2013 #22

I don't know why cali May 2013 #23

OK - I'll say it leftynyc May 2013 #25

religion is crapped on here regularly, but islam in no way gets a pass. this thread is mostly HiPointDem May 2013 #27

do you grasp why Farrakhan should be roundly condemned on a site like DU? cali May 2013 #28

... HiPointDem May 2013 #30

yes, people are drawn to shit when they're desperate. cali May 2013 #32

actually, i'm not the reluctant type, cali. HiPointDem May 2013 #34

you play cutesy. cali May 2013 #36

i don't want or need your admiration, cali. HiPointDem May 2013 #39

that's both true and not true. yes, there are people here who give Islam a pass they don't cali May 2013 #29

no, it wouldn't be condemned by 100% of the people if it were about muslims. condemnation HiPointDem May 2013 #31

If I wrote that some Christian leader said Muslims are satanic cali May 2013 #33

maybe if *you* said it. but what if some comparable public figure said it -- like obama, or the HiPointDem May 2013 #38

no there would not be. cali May 2013 #45

oh, i think we would. but we'll wait for a real life example, though perhaps 'satanic' is HiPointDem May 2013 #46

Everybody has their own personal biases leftynyc May 2013 #35

well, we agree to disagree. As I said, I think Islam gets both undue opprobrium cali May 2013 #37

I may not always agree with you leftynyc May 2013 #42

thank you and same to you. cali May 2013 #43

i'm devastated to hear that. but i'll continue to comment on posts that interest me nevertheless. HiPointDem May 2013 #47

"Racist homophobe says to eat right and exercise." Iggo May 2013 #41

farrakhan provides some people with an explanation of why their world is the way it is, something HiPointDem May 2013 #44

It is his defining characteristic... Pelican May 2013 #48

it's immaterial to my point. HiPointDem May 2013 #49

Which is what? Pelican May 2013 #50

NOI has been saying the same things since it was founded. But it's still around, & highly visible. HiPointDem May 2013 #51

oh bullshit. I doubt that the ptb gives a flying fuck about NOI cali May 2013 #52

whatever you say, cali. HiPointDem May 2013 #53

the government/elite is uninterested in Muslims, radicals, black people, etc. onpatrol98 May 2013 #110

So what? Pelican May 2013 #54

yes, they are. as are the organizations they've mutated into. HiPointDem May 2013 #57

For the record Democracyinkind May 2013 #55

It's a losing battle... Pelican May 2013 #56

what is the table you're talking about? the whole point of the louis farrakhans of the world HiPointDem May 2013 #60

Who here advocates his being at the table? Democracyinkind May 2013 #62

that's exactly what i meant, & i don't think it was unclear. there are certain posters that have HiPointDem May 2013 #59

I agree with you Harmony Blue May 2013 #58

thanks for the support. it's a sensitive subject. HiPointDem May 2013 #61

Thank you craigmatic May 2013 #64

why do you excuse Farrahkhan's bigotry and hate? cali May 2013 #65

Let me ask you a personal question. craigmatic May 2013 #71

no. and I suggest you check out the I/P column for my posts cali May 2013 #89

If you were people would try to get you to do what you're trying to get me to do here. craigmatic May 2013 #93

by your reasoning, David Duke is fine and dandy because some of what he says cali May 2013 #95

Well you're entitled to your opinion and I am too. craigmatic May 2013 #97

Obama flew to D.C. to attend Farrakhan's Million Man March onpatrol98 May 2013 #111

I dont have a dog in this fight one way or another, Separation May 2013 #66

Farrakhan compared himself to Hitler,calling Hitler geek tragedy May 2013 #76

Wow, that is pretty unbelievable. Separation May 2013 #103

Farrakhan is a piece of shit. The Link May 2013 #68

Next week, lets talk about all the good things Westboro does! Prism May 2013 #69

Did he say anything about the civil rights of Detroiters being trashed? KamaAina May 2013 #72

Louis Farrakhan blasts emergency management, calls on blacks to buy up Detroit property HiPointDem May 2013 #77

Fuck Farrakhan. That he has admirers in the black community geek tragedy May 2013 #75

A few thoughts... onpatrol98 May 2013 #83

I think many here don't understand Farrakan's historic appeal in parts of the black community. kwassa May 2013 #106

Good Point... onpatrol98 May 2013 #108

Here's the problem. The OP has a provocative headline that contains 2 topics ecstatic May 2013 #87

And some see the mindless railing and it reminds us of why there are about 10 black posters here Number23 May 2013 #112

That guy is no Jesse Jackson and he sure as hell is no MLK. nt Deep13 May 2013 #94

I think you are wrong about Farrakhan's influence; he is an outlier. kwassa May 2013 #107

"The best thing you can do with Farrakhan is ignore him." Agree 100%, kwassa Number23 May 2013 #114

True... onpatrol98 May 2013 #125

It's good to see you, too. onpatrol98 May 2013 #126