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AndyA

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39. I see it differently

Fri May 24, 2013, 03:27 PM

May 2013

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

It opens with the statement that a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, then continues with the statement that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That is one statement. If the well regulated militia were independent from the right to bear arms not being infringed, a period would separate the two. But a comma was used, which meant what follows after the comma is a continuation of the opening statement.

Well regulated is truly the key element. Complete, thorough rules and regulations. We don't have that.

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Guns for Hunting People Are Different: Legislation Should Reflect That [View all] xchrom May 2013 OP

Some guns are clearly for hunting humans and some 501(c)(4)s are Republican Fronts. onehandle May 2013 #1

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"Assault rifles are rifles of mass destruction." Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #2

What do you consider them? Hoyt May 2013 #3

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Small arms, obviously. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #22

They are "weapons of mass destruction" in our country. They are coveted for their killing power. Hoyt May 2013 #24

+1. They exist for no other reason than to kill humans. AndyA May 2013 #27

Thanks, Doctor Hoyt. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #34

College professors are propagandists ..... oldhippie May 2013 #7

Where does the second amendment mention hunting? n/t X_Digger May 2013 #5

The Second is not about hunting. It is about the Eleanors38 May 2013 #8

The 2A is about defense of 'free state' tblue May 2013 #21

The preamble is. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #23

Second Amendment AndyA May 2013 #29

What about the part that says: The Straight Story May 2013 #33

The people have a right to bear arms AndyA May 2013 #36

I think you want it to say that, but that is not what it says The Straight Story May 2013 #44

So the intent of the founders was to allow mass murders of children in schools? AndyA May 2013 #45

Um... society didn't tolerate it The Straight Story May 2013 #46

Um...society IS tolerating it AndyA May 2013 #53

Well = effectively Regulated = controlled by laws tblue May 2013 #47

I disagree that the preamble acts as an unconditional modifier. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #35

I see it differently AndyA May 2013 #39

While I don't agree with your linguistic analysis... Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #41

"..our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms" - Barack Obama May 2013 hack89 May 2013 #52

the constitutional scholar has spoken. Niceguy1 May 2013 #54

The right to life trumps the right to bear arms AndyA May 2013 #57

Still doesn't change the fact that Americans have the right to own guns hack89 May 2013 #58

Tell that to survivors of gun violence AndyA May 2013 #59

Americans want changes like universal background checks hack89 May 2013 #60

I don't believe I said anything about outlawing private ownership of guns, or repealing the 2A AndyA May 2013 #61

We have cut our murder rate in half hack89 May 2013 #70

Bullshit AndyA May 2013 #71

Murder rate in 1992 = 9.8 In 2011 it was 4.8 hack89 May 2013 #72

The RKBA is recognized as an individual right, just like... Eleanors38 May 2013 #48

Hmmm. rrneck May 2013 #9

Yeah, I guess ... sucks for them ... Bake May 2013 #10

Why? nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #31

Because I can. Just in case. Bake May 2013 #42

See, this underscores the greater problem in this country. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #43

Semi-auto high powered rifles are dangerous, no doubt about it. raouldukelives May 2013 #11

We've forgot about handguns because ARs look so scary NightWatcher May 2013 #12

Assault weapons kill abut 200 people a year. Handguns kill 30,000 a year. hack89 May 2013 #13

I suppose it's because G_j May 2013 #16

A psycho was able to kill even more people with a handgun hack89 May 2013 #19

I suppose it's because Eleanors38 May 2013 #49

Agree, we need to focus on handguns,toting, etc. Although I see no reason not to focus on guns Hoyt May 2013 #17

Every gun made is designed to kill people hack89 May 2013 #20

Of course, you guys wouldn't covet them if harmless, non-intimidating, good for society, etc. Hoyt May 2013 #25

I covet mine because they shoot straight hack89 May 2013 #26

I covet mine because I got them for next to nothing. premium May 2013 #30

I covet mine because they're pieces of history, and one of them is worth more than your car. :) Decoy of Fenris May 2013 #62

Pieces of history -- used to kill hundreds of thousands. Not inspiring if you ask me. Hoyt May 2013 #63

Pieces of history -- used to save hundreds of millions. Also, to shape the modern world. Decoy of Fenris May 2013 #64

Some people are attracted to seedy stuff. Hoyt May 2013 #68

Part of my Family History oneshooter May 2013 #65

They were talking about "assault" weapons. You guys with guns in your user name Hoyt May 2013 #67

"if you ask me", premium May 2013 #66

Collecting guns is on par with collecting swastikas and confederate flags. Hoyt May 2013 #69

About par for the course from you. nt. premium May 2013 #73

Hunting people should be illegal. Orrex May 2013 #14

We could start a White House petition... Pelican May 2013 #15

There was a movie made about hunting humans, premium May 2013 #32

That movie is so bad that it's part of the reason why it should be illegal Orrex May 2013 #37

Yeah, it really wasn't that good. premium May 2013 #38

It is. Eleanors38 May 2013 #50

Then why are guns for hunting people different? Orrex May 2013 #55

"Hunting people" is a systematic plan to kill humans... Eleanors38 May 2013 #56

The First Commandment? derby378 May 2013 #18

What a classic Fudd. aikoaiko May 2013 #28

Which type of gun HASN'T been made to hunt people? NickB79 May 2013 #40

Yeah, like muskets.. Fla_Democrat May 2013 #51

The kids and I managed to squeeze in some time with the AR's yesterday. ileus May 2013 #74