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Hawkowl

(5,213 posts)
69. Rumsfeld war gamed this scenario--and Lost
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 05:28 PM
Feb 2012

The project cost $250 million and was called Millennium Challenge 2002. It is a fascinating story. (Red is Iran, Blue the USA).

"Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lt. General Paul K. Van Riper, used old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World War II light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.

Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detectthem as well as expected.[1]

At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"[2] After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action. After the wargame was restarted, the war game was forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among the rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on all his anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and Red Force was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.[3] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered that the location of Red Force units to be revealed.[4]. This lead to accusations that the war game had turned from an honest, open free play test of America's war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming American victory.[3], which meant that "$250 million was wasted".[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

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Du rec. Nt xchrom Feb 2012 #1
Can't? No. Won't. TheWraith Feb 2012 #2
Sounds like we'd better hit them back first gratuitous Feb 2012 #3
Aegis and Phalanx CIWS has it covered. Indydem Feb 2012 #4
I seriously doubt they would try to sink a carrier after being attacked by the 'West' but I do Purveyor Feb 2012 #5
The Straits are 25 miles wide and the center channel is about 12 miles from Iran... Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #8
Wouldn't that place the missile launchers themselves in a confined, target-able space? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #51
I believe they are built on both fixed and mobile launch platforms - land based and sea based. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #53
They would be able to shoot once. jeff47 Feb 2012 #6
What he said. renie408 Feb 2012 #9
Another 'cakewalk', eh? The last one with Iraq worked so well, indeed. eom Purveyor Feb 2012 #10
This is a bombing, not an invasion jeff47 Feb 2012 #17
yes, see "shock and awe" as well as our bombing of laos.. frylock Feb 2012 #28
Once again, Bombing isn't invasion. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #31
can you provide me with a list of engagements, successful or not, that consisted of just bombing? frylock Feb 2012 #40
Bosnia Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #42
Bosnia, Libya in the 80's, Libya in the '10s jeff47 Feb 2012 #43
And it depends how the invasions are judged. stevenleser Feb 2012 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author stevenleser Feb 2012 #34
I would call dismantling a million man army in less than a month a fucking success. Muskypundit Feb 2012 #44
Iran has been working hard on anti-tank and anti-helicopter missiles FarCenter Feb 2012 #74
Just that easy, eh? Hugabear Feb 2012 #11
So in your mind, do mines magically teleport into the water? jeff47 Feb 2012 #16
Again - just that easy, eh? Hugabear Feb 2012 #18
So you honestly think no one would notice Iranian ships stopping thousands of times jeff47 Feb 2012 #23
Doesn't "just that easy" snark play equally against Iran? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #52
Simply not true surfdog Feb 2012 #14
It also assumes that all the missile sites are stationary Hugabear Feb 2012 #15
Link? jeff47 Feb 2012 #20
Are you saying that Iran does not have ANY mobile anti-ship missiles? Hugabear Feb 2012 #25
Wait a minute here. jeff47 Feb 2012 #29
That's good to hear. Seems like the coming Iran War should be a relative cakewalk Hugabear Feb 2012 #32
Try actually paying attention to what I'm saying jeff47 Feb 2012 #38
Thank-you! Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #56
So....many....errors..... jeff47 Feb 2012 #19
DO NOT BRING FACTS INTO THIS! Indydem Feb 2012 #22
A few problems with your post surfdog Feb 2012 #33
Keep digging! jeff47 Feb 2012 #37
You seem a bit confused surfdog Feb 2012 #45
So are they small or large? jeff47 Feb 2012 #49
Your physics is lacking ....... oldhippie Feb 2012 #39
Checkmate surfdog Feb 2012 #47
You're replying to a different person. jeff47 Feb 2012 #50
Get a clue already surfdog Feb 2012 #57
Again, so much wrong jeff47 Feb 2012 #67
Thanks, surfdog, you have just proved ....... oldhippie Feb 2012 #61
And begging you now surfdog Feb 2012 #62
Wikipedia is your friend ..... oldhippie Feb 2012 #63
So let me get this straight surfdog Feb 2012 #64
Do you even realize surfdog Feb 2012 #65
He linked the two different kinds of anti-tank weapons to show you the difference jeff47 Feb 2012 #68
Perhaps you can answer the question surfdog Feb 2012 #70
Yes. That's how it's different from a KE weapon. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #72
From his own link surfdog Feb 2012 #71
No, it doesn't. There's no projectile. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #73
I've tried to verify but I do remember reading that Iran has 1000's of various missiles Purveyor Feb 2012 #21
And after the first missile is fired, we will be dropping 10s of thousands of bombs. jeff47 Feb 2012 #26
Maybe. Maybe not. krispos42 Feb 2012 #58
reminds me of the buildup to attacking iraq....fear works spanone Feb 2012 #7
Translation: Give more money to the MIC or the bogeyman will eat you. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #12
Sunburn missles? We can spray them with Coppertone lol nt msongs Feb 2012 #13
And the 'silkworms', well we can just make pretty, pretty scarfs out of them all. eom Purveyor Feb 2012 #24
For the interested. The following link will produce all headlines on DU2 & 3 related to Purveyor Feb 2012 #27
Every weapons platform Iran has that could be a threat to an American asset is being monitored stevenleser Feb 2012 #35
missile strikes on any US ship would lead to air strikes on Iranian missile sights Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #36
The drift of this story is the Iranians don't need no missile sites for the Sunburns Brother Buzz Feb 2012 #41
There is no credible reports of Iran having Sunburns. hack89 Feb 2012 #46
And Isreal claims... surfdog Feb 2012 #59
But we have actual evidence of Israeli nukes hack89 Feb 2012 #60
How about the Yakhonts missile? FarCenter Feb 2012 #75
There is no evidence that they have those either. hack89 Feb 2012 #77
Why would any country sell weapons to another country? ronnie624 Feb 2012 #79
Let them close it... UAE has and KSA have pipelines to bypass it... JCMach1 Feb 2012 #48
It's Iran's 2,000 NAVAL MINES, ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #54
Iran isn't going to preemtively attack anyone. ronnie624 Feb 2012 #55
I wish that was going true, but that may not be the case. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #76
All we have to go on is Iran's history, ronnie624 Feb 2012 #78
Sadly, that history stopped in 1979. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #80
To close the straight? They don't need them. Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #66
Rumsfeld war gamed this scenario--and Lost Hawkowl Feb 2012 #69
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