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bhikkhu

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26. Economists like trade
Sat May 25, 2013, 01:48 AM
May 2013

...and much of what "NAFTA has done to this country" is actually what technology and automation has done to this country. Which is eliminated jobs and reduced costs. Not to be an apologist for economists, as I think they are all basically wrong in their calculations when it comes to resource depletion, and climate change is much more important in the long run than GDP growth...but they do favor trade as a basic economic stimulus.

In any case, according to this (and there have been various studies arriving at various similar numbers) http://sent2null.blogspot.com/2011/09/us-job-losses-automation-is-culprit-not.html about 88% of job losses in the relevant time period were the replacement of people by machines. About 12% was outsourcing.

Both lead to people without incomes, of course. The second one is easy - you just have to close the borders, wave the flag and hate foreigners. Everybody knows how to do that. The first one though, which has made by far the biggest impact, I've not heard any very good suggestions about what to do. My own suggestion to my kids is to make sure they take school seriously, as it is one big competitive world lately.

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Bill Clinton to Reich: "I don't need a Republican Labor Secretary; I've got you!" closeupready May 2013 #1
No. Reich makes clear he's a Democrat. Octafish May 2013 #33
You're a day late and a dollar short, kid. closeupready May 2013 #35
Thanks for setting me straight on Reich and NAFTA. I thought the topic was Wall Street. Octafish May 2013 #36
No problem. closeupready May 2013 #37
Pritzker 4Q2u2 May 2013 #2
He's right. Lasher May 2013 #3
Well Reich too has his own skeletons IMO Populist_Prole May 2013 #4
Perhaps his biggest failing is his inability to say, "I was wrong." closeupready May 2013 #6
IMO, that inability is not due to arrogance but to extreme wonkishness on his part Populist_Prole May 2013 #7
Yeah, that's likely the case. But then again, I'd suggest that closeupready May 2013 #8
How can anyone "like" Robert Rubin? Reich had his chance, followed orders, did a little good byeya May 2013 #12
So you dont like Reich? What about what he says per this OP? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #17
You didn't get the shoot the messenger memo. hay rick May 2013 #18
I don't _dislike_ him, I just can't take him seriously Populist_Prole May 2013 #22
Elizabeth Warren Slams ‘Dangerous’ Legislation That Would Weaken Wall Street Reform ProSense May 2013 #5
Robert Reich would have more credibility if he would publicly come out in opposition to NAFTA. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #9
We get it that you dont like Reich. What do you think of the OP? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #19
Reich is right. But, IMO, he would have more credibility if he would now publicly oppose NAFTA. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #23
Economists like trade bhikkhu May 2013 #26
Your suggestion is to take school seriously? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #27
Baloney. Automation has NOTHING to do with this. This is more globalist propaganda. duffyduff May 2013 #31
How dicredited and debunked? bhikkhu May 2013 #32
Who needed Reagan when Wall St had Clinton? He supported as bad back then, I agree, but Dragonfli May 2013 #21
I'm glad that he is raising the points. I would also be happy if he would take a stand against NAFTA AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #24
He owes us that much at the very least, it would also add to whatever credibility Dragonfli May 2013 #25
democrats sold their soul for a seat a the table under voodoo economics. pansypoo53219 May 2013 #10
Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2013 #11
The Robert Reich who worked for Clinton? That Reich? merrily May 2013 #13
Do you disagree with the OP or not? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #20
attack the messenger and ignore the content. bush policies under new management nt msongs May 2013 #14
Another ProSense May 2013 #15
K&R Cleita May 2013 #16
well, to actually answer his question (though it should be obvious)... tomp May 2013 #28
he's right on this one, but he's a hypocrite markiv May 2013 #29
Fight it in Republicans and it will disappear from Democrats gulliver May 2013 #30
Corruption I mean De-Regulation is Buy-Partisan Octafish May 2013 #34
K&R nt limpyhobbler May 2013 #38
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