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BrotherIvan

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47. Why do neoliberals such as yourself use the same phraseology as wingers?

Sat May 25, 2013, 10:49 AM

May 2013

But then again, people voicing their concerns that they wish to improve health CARE and not insurance are just not cheerleading hard enough, right? The fact that the sick and needy will STILL die because they can't pay their high deductibles and so forego care, well that's just plain silly when there's a politician or a party to root for. That people will still go bankrupt (as pointed out above) or in the case of my family, spend the entire estate on healthcare costs, screw them! They're just reactionary screamers! Or, as a Californian, I have seen my insurance costs DOUBLE in the last three years so that it now exceeds over half of my mortgage per month. I tell you, it's utopia and I'm just plain ungrateful. Priorities people!

And why is one allowed to use the word "liberal" as a slur on this board?

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Krugman: Obamacare Will Be A Debacle � For Republicans [View all] ProSense May 2013 OP

President Obama roped the dopes yet again. Krugman is 100% correct on this. graham4anything May 2013 #1

Our right wing newspaper has been doing at least one anti-Obamacare front page story since doc03 May 2013 #2

Well, at least in this: BlueCaliDem May 2013 #3

Not all of us in Red States live under the policies of our chosen party magellan May 2013 #4

I fear this is over-optimistic. lark May 2013 #5

I think you may have meant to reply to BlueCaliDem magellan May 2013 #8

They may, but this has handed the Dems a great opportunity! Grins May 2013 #55

Every state is a democracy and in a democracy the majority wins and rules. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #6

I'll grant you're being optimistic magellan May 2013 #10

And realistic. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #26

What's happening in Florida secondvariety May 2013 #39

For some strange reason, Floridian Democrats act and support Republicans in their state. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #45

they will feel the pinch, and it wont change their votes RedstDem May 2013 #41

Those skewed "morals" they vote on BlueCaliDem May 2013 #48

You're assuming they're going to blame the right people for the problem Hippo_Tron May 2013 #61

I agree. Kaiser is already implementing many of ACA rules. First, no co pay for colonoscopies, demosincebirth May 2013 #13

That's not really what the ACA is about, though... Hippo_Tron May 2013 #62

The ACA, also, helps seniors on medicare who used to pay for preventive care (co-pays) such as demosincebirth May 2013 #63

And we here in Wisconsin get to deal with dysfunction AllyCat May 2013 #44

Ya know they moaned and groaned Iliyah May 2013 #7

Do you mean OASDI? merrily May 2013 #11

I worked with a couple of guys for years in the union trucking industry, and they were staunch demosincebirth May 2013 #14

i work with two republicals too RedstDem May 2013 #42

That was their Mantra...dems will take away their arsenals. Pretty f***ing stupid demosincebirth May 2013 #53

Link for cost calculator Addison May 2013 #9

Like everything else, it will probably be in the eye of the beholder. merrily May 2013 #12

Most of us will side with Krugman vs the Tea Party, but you're geek tragedy May 2013 #15

I took no side on the issue of Obamacare. In fact, I specified that. merrily May 2013 #16

Exactly. Most of us here take the Krugman side and oppose geek tragedy May 2013 #17

Actually, Rick Perry supported the plan when it was Hillarycare. merrily May 2013 #18

FYI, there positions Rick Perry and Ted Cruz would never take. merrily May 2013 #19

No, not "both sides". there's FACTS and there's fiction. n/m Cha May 2013 #24

Uhh, "Romneycare" in Massachussetts was passed by a DEMOCRATIC legislature. Ikonoklast May 2013 #52

I take the side where people don't go bankrupt or die bhikkhu May 2013 #54

Mean spirited spite libodem May 2013 #20

I think you could libdude May 2013 #43

Future generations are going to study this era as the fall of conservatives. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #21

I don't know, but ProSense May 2013 #22

if they survive their current agenda of mean-spirited idiocy and obstruction noiretextatique May 2013 #23

Nerdy Wonka Tweet on Obamacare.. Cha May 2013 #25

MA is a complete disaster for actual sick people eridani May 2013 #27

MA will ProSense May 2013 #28

Too bad overpriced underinsurance is the new normal eridani May 2013 #29

That ProSense May 2013 #30

MLR adjustment is vastly below world standards eridani May 2013 #31

There ProSense May 2013 #33

That's wjhat MLRs actuallly WERE, without any laws requiring a minimum eridani May 2013 #34

You know, ProSense May 2013 #36

Medcare does not have any MLR requirements eridani May 2013 #37

We'll see soon enough. n/t Skip Intro May 2013 #32

And ultimately it will make a good number of liberals posting on forums like this look like the KittyWampus May 2013 #35

Naturally. Failing to cheer for a 50% medical bankruptcy rate-- eridani May 2013 #38

I've read the thread 2ce: You won the argument! byeya May 2013 #40

+100000 woo me with science May 2013 #64

No- not realizing that making the perfect the enemy of the good gets us nowheres. Social Security KittyWampus May 2013 #59

50% medical bankrupcties in MA is NOT good, never mind perfect eridani May 2013 #60

Why do neoliberals such as yourself use the same phraseology as wingers? BrotherIvan May 2013 #47

I'm a Democratic Socialist. And the Reactionary Screamers would have likewise been against Social KittyWampus May 2013 #58

That's a republican for you. Always underestimating the right thing to do. Shame on them. southernyankeebelle May 2013 #46

A Once in a Generation Opportunity for the Democratic Party in Red States in 2014. ProSense May 2013 #49

I live in a red state...no hope there...and now..I'm losing income... prairierose May 2013 #50

Red-staters will still blame their "dysfunctional Obamacare" on Obama. Beartracks May 2013 #51

I disagree in the case John2 May 2013 #56

Sorry - I meant "Republicans" generally, not all red-state residents. n/t Beartracks May 2013 #57