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In reply to the discussion: Bank Bailout 2: Obama Lets Mortgage Abusers Off the Hook Leave No One Accountable [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)40. It's not clear in the article, that the immunity from charges re robo-signing
is only civil? This is what it says about robo-signing:
The immunity the banks receive for this payment is fairly narrow, certainly in comparison to what had been rumored earlier. The banks will only be released from investigations and charges related to foreclosure fraud and robo-signingnot all the malfeasance leading up to the crash, like the origination and securitization of bad mortgages.
That is not clear imo. But hopefully you are right.
The only case so far of a CEO charged in the Robo-signing fraud which happened just a few days ago:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/07/robo-signing-docx-missouri_n_1261369.html
The bolded excerpt does seem to confirm that it is only civil immunity though:
For the first time since the start of the robo-signing crisis, a senior executive has been indicted on criminal charges of forgery and faces jail. The forgery charges against a mortgage processing executive come as the nation's largest banks attempt to close the books on a civil investigation into widespread document fraud and could spark further federal criminal cases.
A grand jury in Missouri handed up the 136-count indictment late last week charging Georgia-based DocX -- a subsidiary of the massive mortgage processor Lender Processing Services -- and its founder and former president Lorraine O. Brown, with forgery. The indictment alleges that DocX employees fabricated signatures on hundreds of real estate documents, some used in foreclosures.
"This is the first time any grand jury in the country has indicted a corporation or a high-level executive at a corporation for 'robo-signing,'" Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster told The Huffington Post. "The grand jury is alleging that the documents have false signatures on them, that the notarizations are fraudulent and that it was all done with an intent to deceive. If thats true, it makes the [foreclosure] documents forgeries."
A grand jury in Missouri handed up the 136-count indictment late last week charging Georgia-based DocX -- a subsidiary of the massive mortgage processor Lender Processing Services -- and its founder and former president Lorraine O. Brown, with forgery. The indictment alleges that DocX employees fabricated signatures on hundreds of real estate documents, some used in foreclosures.
"This is the first time any grand jury in the country has indicted a corporation or a high-level executive at a corporation for 'robo-signing,'" Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster told The Huffington Post. "The grand jury is alleging that the documents have false signatures on them, that the notarizations are fraudulent and that it was all done with an intent to deceive. If thats true, it makes the [foreclosure] documents forgeries."
I hope it is only Civil. This is a better deal than the original one, and kudos to Schneiderman and Harris for holding out to improve it. But imo, there should have been no deals made and let the law take its course as it does for the rest of us.
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Bank Bailout 2: Obama Lets Mortgage Abusers Off the Hook Leave No One Accountable [View all]
Better Believe It
Feb 2012
OP
Was any actual law broken by the banks or is this just one of those things that are frowned upon?
FarLeftFist
Feb 2012
#8
Almost bringing down the entire world economy into a new depression might be considered an "abuse".
Better Believe It
Feb 2012
#14
Will anyone either on the right or the left ever give President Obama credit for doing anything?
nanabugg
Feb 2012
#53
I heard over and over on this board that the settlement would not let them off the hook
Mojorabbit
Feb 2012
#80
No, they only have to pay about $2,000 For each foreclosure fraud and homeowners can not sue.
Dragonfli
Feb 2012
#86
Civil courts can't "land people in jail." They've been given only civil immunity on robo-signing.
Robb
Feb 2012
#22
It's not clear in the article, that the immunity from charges re robo-signing
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#40
And we seem to be going in the opposite direction on that issue also. There is
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#46
So post information on all of the other lawsuits that are being litigated. They must be big ones!
Better Believe It
Feb 2012
#50
That's some misplaced smugness, considering one of them is already mentioned in this thread.
Robb
Feb 2012
#69
And there are so many things wrong with that one issue it's hard to keep track of them all
MrCoffee
Feb 2012
#23
So that's the really big ground braking lawsuit we need to watch and should ignore this settlement?
Better Believe It
Feb 2012
#74
Very dishonest, not at all what I said. You said "this was the lawsuit. It's now a done deal."
Robb
Feb 2012
#75
BBI didn't analyze anything. Links were posted. You have no space to talk about unreliability
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2012
#31
He or she chose the articles to post. I find those sources to be unreliable.
MineralMan
Feb 2012
#34
Now we don't just micromanage the President, we micromanage federal prosecutors
treestar
Feb 2012
#38
Your argument is "We can't possibly hope to understand this, so it must be good"?
MrCoffee
Feb 2012
#41
MSNBC: Mortgage settlement leaves most homeowners to fend for themselves
Better Believe It
Feb 2012
#57
The talking point is: Don't worry there are a lot more lawsuits pending!
Better Believe It
Feb 2012
#92
Right. Wall Street has lost and the people who have been thrown out of their homes have won!
Better Believe It
Feb 2012
#102
I understand your economic desperation. But you would be far better off with a settlement that's .
Better Believe It
Feb 2012
#106
AG Settlement Ends Robo-Signing and Provides a Model for Preventing Foreclosures
Swede
Feb 2012
#105