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ProSense

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68. Actually,
Sat May 25, 2013, 09:12 PM
May 2013

"The ACLU and Amnesty International agree with her."

...the Amnesty and the ACLU did not claim the son was a target in their statements. What's the purpose of trying to create the impression that the son was a target?

USA: Amnesty International Responds to President Obama's Speech on National Security

President Obama was right to reaffirm the need to close Guantanamo, address the need for greater transparency, and acknowledge the troubling issues surrounding his killer drone program. Now it's time for him to take immediate and further action and get the job done.

Transfers can and must resume today, and all detainees must either be fairly tried in federal court or released. President Obama was right not to endorse the concept of indefinite detention, but his proposal to restart unfair military commissions in the mainland U.S. should be rejected as both unlawful and unnecessary.

What's needed on drones is not a "kill court," but critically, much more transparency regarding the legal basis for the drones program, including the release of the newly approved presidential guidance as well as independent investigations of alleged extrajudicial executions and remedy for victims.

There's no need to wait to repeal the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force. The Obama administration should immediately end reliance on the flawed "global war" legal theory at the heart of indefinite detention, military commissions and the killing of terror suspects and civilians alike.

Congress must stop hindering reform. Elected officials should repeal the remaining legislative obstacles to closing the detention facility and make the Senate report on CIA torture public.

President Obama is right that the country is at a crossroads. It's time for the path not chosen over a decade ago. It's time for human rights.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/usa-amnesty-international-responds-president-obamas-speech-national-securit



ACLU Comment on President’s National Security Speech

Below is a statement from Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, on President Obama's national security speech today:

"President Obama is right to say that we cannot be on a war footing forever, but the time to take our country off the global warpath and fully restore the rule of law is now, not at some indeterminate future point. Four years into his presidency, President Obama has finally taken the first steps to jumpstart his administration's effort to make good on early campaign promises to close Guantánamo and recognized the human cost of failing to act. These are encouraging and noteworthy actions.

"To the extent the speech signals an end to signature strikes, recognizes the need for congressional oversight, and restricts the use of drones to threats against the American people, the developments on targeted killings are promising. Yet the president still claims broad authority to carry out targeted killings far from any battlefield, and there is still insufficient transparency. We continue to disagree fundamentally with the idea that due process requirements can be satisfied without any form of judicial oversight by regular federal courts.

"We are particularly gratified that President Obama embraced our recommendations to use his authority to allow prompt transfer and release of Guantánamo detainees who pose no national security threat and that have been cleared by the military and intelligence agencies. We also applaud his appointment of a high level official to supervise the process for closing Guantánamo once and for all.

"But there are other problems that must still be addressed. The unconstitutional military commissions must be shuttered, not brought to the United States. While the president expressed appropriate concern about indefinite detention, he offered no clear plan for ending this unconstitutional policy for those who have not been tried or cleared for release.

"President Obama's efforts to repair his legacy in the eyes of future historians will require that he continue to double down if he is to fully restore this nation's standing at home and abroad. The ACLU realizes that Congress has thrown significant barriers in closing Guantánamo. But in some areas Congress has been more progressive, having recently demanded legal memoranda that claim to authorize the illegal killing program. The ACLU stands ready to work with, and if necessary do battle with, those elements of government that impede our nation's obligations to honor the rule of law and to protect our values while safeguarding our security."

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-presidents-national-security-speech



UN expert in human rights and counter-terrorism welcomes US President’s speech

GENEVA (24 May 2013) – United Nations Special Rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism, Ben Emmerson, today welcomed US President Barack Obama’s speech, and the publication of policy principles governing counter-terrorism operations, including targeted killings.

“This extremely important speech breaks new ground in a number of key respects. It affirms for the first time this Administration's commitment to seek an end to its armed conflict with Al Qaida as soon as possible; it reminds the world that not every terrorist threat or terrorist attack can be equated with a situation of continuing armed conflict; it sets out more clearly and more authoritatively than ever before the Administration's legal justifications for targeted killing, and the constraints that it operates under; it clarifies, and proposes improvements to, the procedures for independent oversight; and it sets out the steps the President is now resolved to take in order to close Guantanamo Bay.

“The publication of the procedural guidelines for the use of force in counter-terrorism operations is a significant step towards increased transparency and accountability. It also disposes of a number of myths, including the suggestion that the US is entitled to regard all military-aged males as combatants, and therefore as legitimate targets.

“I will be engaging with senior Administration officials in Washington over the coming days and weeks in an effort to put some flesh on the bones of the announcements made today.

“The President’s historic statement today is to be welcomed as a highly significant step towards greater transparency and accountability; and as a declaration that the US war with Al Qaida and its associated forces is coming to an end. The President's principled commitment to ensuring the closure of Guantanamo is an utterly essential step.

“His acknowledgement that the time has come to tackle not only the manifestations of terrorism but also its social, economic and political causes around the world - to seek long term solutions - signals a shift in rhetoric and a move in policy emphasis towards promoting a strategy of sustainable and ethical counter-terrorism, consistent with Pillar I of the UN Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy*.”

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=13355&LangID=E

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K&R'd. snot May 2013 #1
look, the emperor is not wearing any clothes! nt msongs May 2013 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #12
No, she's not. tritsofme May 2013 #3
So, do you vehemently disagree with the President's statement, or are you just calling him a liar? Dragonfli May 2013 #46
Huh? I support the president, and think this woman is a loony toon. tritsofme May 2013 #54
You disagreed entirely with what he said, is that you supporting him? Dragonfli May 2013 #61
Good Lord. You got all of that from "no, she's not?" Number23 May 2013 #71
I'll see your googly eyes, and raise you one... SidDithers May 2013 #78
I mean, sometimes I think some of these folks have simply GOT to be joshing around. Number23 May 2013 #80
It was a very clear one line reply to the post title, since you speak for the poster, Dragonfli May 2013 #95
A one line reply to a title of a post? what else did that weird sentence mean? Dragonfli May 2013 #85
The president is very familiar with Medea Benjamin and at one time when he was running for office sabrina 1 May 2013 #102
I'll take president at his word usGovOwesUs3Trillion May 2013 #143
Anwar al-Awlaki's son was NOT the target of the drone, senior Al-Qaeda member Ibrahim al-Banna was Tx4obama May 2013 #4
Did you know "the target" nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #5
Who said that al-Banna is alive? Where has it been proven he is alive? Tx4obama May 2013 #6
A couple of the talking heads nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #8
You're a "journalist", Can you support your claim or not? How do you know he's.... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #112
"He was not raised like an American" Hissyspit May 2013 #13
The Left is so desperate to make the son an innocent victim that they ignore any and bluestate10 May 2013 #18
The left...the horror nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #21
+1000 dflprincess May 2013 #63
You are wrong in every single respect ConservativeDemocrat May 2013 #125
May I offer you the Geneva Convention nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #126
how quaint! G_j May 2013 #138
I like crickets nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #139
I don't know what's more sickening: Marr May 2013 #29
casual dismissal of targeted assassinations of US citizens by our government is more sickening Dragonfli May 2013 #69
The kid was NOT the one being targeted. Al-Banna was the target and he was not a US citizen. n/t Tx4obama May 2013 #74
He wasn't killed by our drone? I am glad to hear it, I thought we killed a kid! my apologies. Dragonfli May 2013 #77
You are the one that said our government targeted a US Citizen. Al-Banna was the target ... Tx4obama May 2013 #79
Killing is illusion and a word is what is important then? I thought what happened was important Dragonfli May 2013 #82
You have no clue what I think or feel, but I do think you're being rude. Have a great weekend. n/t Tx4obama May 2013 #84
And you kind sir, have a continued compassionate empathic day! You express your grief well! Dragonfli May 2013 #86
I am a female, not all folks here on DU are male. n/t Tx4obama May 2013 #87
I apologize Ms TX4, I just thought such callousness was more likely a male trait. Dragonfli May 2013 #89
She's being compassionate in a way you cannot possibly comprehend ConservativeDemocrat May 2013 #130
Compassionate killing! Sociopathic "compassion" does not interest me Dragonfli May 2013 #133
What insipid sexist nonsense mythology May 2013 #142
I'm a real man hater I guess. Dragonfli May 2013 #146
it's pretty hard to not distance yourself hfojvt May 2013 #118
You're saying he was not a citizen? Marr May 2013 #124
not in any real sense of the term hfojvt May 2013 #136
So he was a citizen then. Thank you. Marr May 2013 #144
So you're not part of 'the left'? Then why are you posting here, this is not a right wing sabrina 1 May 2013 #103
The Left? G_j May 2013 #137
Your denigration of "the left" is counter productive if you are fighting rhett o rick May 2013 #140
Make up your fucking mind whatchamacallit May 2013 #59
I did NOT say 'but if he was he had it coming'. I take issue with your use of quotation marks. n/t Tx4obama May 2013 #62
You didn't say it directly whatchamacallit May 2013 #66
The point is to state everything known so that a clear picture of the issue can be obtained. n/t Tx4obama May 2013 #67
Sure it is... whatchamacallit May 2013 #70
Sorry. Code Pink jumped the shark with this stunt... SidDithers May 2013 #7
+1 iandhr May 2013 #10
Benjamin-Hamsher 2016! Fuddnik May 2013 #14
Guilt by association instead of guilt of being wrong? Hissyspit May 2013 #17
Code Pink chose to support Rand Paul... SidDithers May 2013 #24
As a long time Code Pink supporter, I agree with you, SidDithers. mountain grammy May 2013 #31
Thank you... SidDithers May 2013 #32
Whacked. I'm surprised, too. nt babylonsister May 2013 #51
As another long-time Code Pink supporter and donor, I agree with you, Sid. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #52
They chose to support a filibuster, not an entire agenda of one man, you have Dragonfli May 2013 #57
It's hard for me to express how little I care about your opinion of me... SidDithers May 2013 #72
I think I would be very concerned if you felt any different, I don't want the respect of a silly..., Dragonfli May 2013 #88
boom goes the dynamite... dionysus May 2013 #127
My concern is - are they laying the groundwork for a republi-CON to get back into the White House? calimary May 2013 #25
You said it better than I could.. thanks. mountain grammy May 2013 #33
That was really good Kolesar May 2013 #35
Wikipedia is your friend. vanlassie May 2013 #60
+1 Jamaal510 May 2013 #81
+1000 Bobbie Jo May 2013 #90
+1 Raine1967 May 2013 #106
Thank you, calimary! Oh, they could stay real BUSY Protesting Cha May 2013 #111
Gotta say I saw that photo of Code Pink valentines to rand paul, and I immediately calimary May 2013 #120
They're setting the stage for a Koch tool like Rand Paul to enter office. Initech May 2013 #117
Setting the stage? Code Pink?? vanlassie May 2013 #121
***SHOULD BE ITS OWN THREAD*** uponit7771 May 2013 #123
Really, really well said... SidDithers May 2013 #132
Wait-- I thought finding common ground with political opponents to achieve specific Marr May 2013 #30
Just a ton of naivete in that picture ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #53
You should be ashamed of yourself for implying that agreeing with Rand Paul on filibuster idwiyo May 2013 #73
It's funny. Hearing you tell me I should be ashamed... SidDithers May 2013 #75
Supporting RPs filibuster against torturer is shameful but supporting torture is OK. idwiyo May 2013 #96
He knows, he knows, he is a joker playing his usual game Dragonfli May 2013 #97
I know. :) idwiyo May 2013 #114
I know, I just like to remind him (since the time he argued against single payer HC here) Dragonfli May 2013 #116
I can bet you a £100 Sid is never going to emigrate. :) He is "do as I say, not as I do" type. idwiyo May 2013 #141
I believe you have a word for what he is and how he acts here Dragonfli May 2013 #145
That's a damn great description! idwiyo May 2013 #147
Staging a photo-op to show your love for Rand Paul... SidDithers May 2013 #99
"Staging a photo-op" to show support for filibustering a torturer's nomination as a head of CIA is idwiyo May 2013 #113
How stupid. Cha May 2013 #109
K&R...So many on Dem Site who want to trash Activists...and call them "Naderites and Haters." KoKo May 2013 #9
A democrat is only a democrat IF that person agrees with your viewpoints? nt bluestate10 May 2013 #20
+1 iandhr May 2013 #22
Like agreeing with that criminal Brennan? or Signature strikes? Or a double tap terrorist strategy? Dragonfli May 2013 #49
I question whether she is worth paying attention to. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #11
Bullshit he wasn't a target. GoneFishin May 2013 #15
Welcome to DU, GoneFishin! calimary May 2013 #26
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT May 2013 #16
Concerns me some that ALL causes will use her tactics flamingdem May 2013 #19
K&R woo me with science May 2013 #23
K&R burnodo May 2013 #27
K & R! Thank you Medea. You are a brave & true patriot! eom wildbilln864 May 2013 #28
Was happy to have Medea on my show a few weeks back. I dont agree with everything she says stevenleser May 2013 #34
She is intellectually deficient ... eom Kolesar May 2013 #36
You lack courage HoosierRadical May 2013 #42
Whatever that means Kolesar May 2013 #44
Heheh... SidDithers May 2013 #47
sorry...I know I am in the minority here... chillfactor May 2013 #37
You are NOT sorry... HoosierRadical May 2013 #41
How the fuck do you know how she feels? Zoeisright May 2013 #108
Take your own advice HoosierRadical May 2013 #148
My Petition for Obama to Invite Medea Benjamin to the White House for a Beer PDittie May 2013 #38
I signed the petition olddots May 2013 #40
Or a valium ... eom Kolesar May 2013 #45
Just keep terrorizing AQ/Taliban and Anwar Alwaki's too. xtraxritical May 2013 #39
+ 1 eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #94
The ACLU and Amnesty International agree with her. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #43
Did they deliver chocolates and a giant pink heart to Rand Paul too?...nt SidDithers May 2013 #48
Did Northrup Grumman deliver drones to Obama? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #50
Sending chocolate in support of opposing a torturer is deadly and evil you know Dragonfli May 2013 #64
Actually, ProSense May 2013 #68
She still needs to speak against unregulated Assault Weapons trade to earn my respect on the drone patrice May 2013 #55
Why don't you ask her? idwiyo May 2013 #58
K&R idwiyo May 2013 #56
K&R Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #65
Has she issued an apology yet to President Obama yet for being rude and disrespectful? Tx4obama May 2013 #76
You know, the one nice thing about having a Republican President... Marr May 2013 #83
Simplistic, condescending nonsense. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #91
You can name call all you like. Marr May 2013 #92
Whoosh Bobbie Jo May 2013 #93
You know, people generally say "whoosh" to imply that Marr May 2013 #98
Obtuse to the bitter end Bobbie Jo May 2013 #100
What was the subtle point that I missed? I'd like to know what went over my head. Marr May 2013 #101
OFFS Bobbie Jo May 2013 #104
Yeah, thanks for that. Marr May 2013 #105
Introspection, Bobbie Jo May 2013 #110
I do not support anyone who Zoeisright May 2013 #107
Petition the White House to have a beer with Medea eridani May 2013 #115
Okay she is a loony..she thinks Pakistan will help us capture someone? Crazy crazy woman. dkf May 2013 #119
Yes, when the President admits it, it's time to listen to us. grahamhgreen May 2013 #122
This post broke the unwritten but always applied rule. Savannahmann May 2013 #128
In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place. - Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #129
she has changed from an advocate to an attention/disruption junkie ZRT2209 May 2013 #131
You appear to know her well, when was the last time you spoke? Dragonfli May 2013 #134
Uh-oh... NOW you've done it. bvar22 May 2013 #135
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