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Showing Original Post only (View all)Fox learned about the subpoena nearly three years ago (updated) [View all]
Leak Inquiries Show How Wide A Net U.S. Cast
By ETHAN BRONNER, CHARLIE SAVAGE and SCOTT SHANE
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One of the most striking recent revelations about the Obama administrations pursuit of leakers was the disclosure that the Justice Department had obtained e-mails from the Google account of James Rosen of Fox News, in which he corresponded with a State Department analyst suspected of leaking classified information about North Korea. Investigators routinely search the e-mails of suspected leakers, but Congress has forbidden search warrants for journalists work product materials unless the reporter committed a crime.
A 2010 affidavit seeking the warrant necessary, an F.B.I. agent wrote, because the analyst had deleted e-mails in his own accounts said Mr. Rosen qualified for that exception because he violated the Espionage Act by seeking secrets to report.
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It is not clear how often the government has obtained reporters communications records. In the North Korea case, the F.B.I. obtained call logs for five lines related to Mr. Rosen, and as in the A.P. investigation notified the news organization only afterward. That was nearly three years ago, a law enforcement official said. But the subpoenas existence became public only this month, when unsealed court papers also showed the government had obtained the warrant for Mr. Rosens e-mails. F.B.I. agents also studied one officials entrances and exits from the State Department, obtained his Yahoo e-mail information and even searched his hard drive for deleted files, documents unsealed this month showed.
On Saturday, a Fox News executive said that the notice had gone to News Corp., its parent company, on Aug. 27, 2010, but that Fox News was not told until Friday. The executive said they were still trying to sort out how the notice fell through the cracks.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/us/leaks-inquiries-show-how-wide-a-net-is-cast.html
By ETHAN BRONNER, CHARLIE SAVAGE and SCOTT SHANE
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One of the most striking recent revelations about the Obama administrations pursuit of leakers was the disclosure that the Justice Department had obtained e-mails from the Google account of James Rosen of Fox News, in which he corresponded with a State Department analyst suspected of leaking classified information about North Korea. Investigators routinely search the e-mails of suspected leakers, but Congress has forbidden search warrants for journalists work product materials unless the reporter committed a crime.
A 2010 affidavit seeking the warrant necessary, an F.B.I. agent wrote, because the analyst had deleted e-mails in his own accounts said Mr. Rosen qualified for that exception because he violated the Espionage Act by seeking secrets to report.
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It is not clear how often the government has obtained reporters communications records. In the North Korea case, the F.B.I. obtained call logs for five lines related to Mr. Rosen, and as in the A.P. investigation notified the news organization only afterward. That was nearly three years ago, a law enforcement official said. But the subpoenas existence became public only this month, when unsealed court papers also showed the government had obtained the warrant for Mr. Rosens e-mails. F.B.I. agents also studied one officials entrances and exits from the State Department, obtained his Yahoo e-mail information and even searched his hard drive for deleted files, documents unsealed this month showed.
On Saturday, a Fox News executive said that the notice had gone to News Corp., its parent company, on Aug. 27, 2010, but that Fox News was not told until Friday. The executive said they were still trying to sort out how the notice fell through the cracks.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/us/leaks-inquiries-show-how-wide-a-net-is-cast.html
No, the "most striking revelation" is the news that Fox learned about the subpoena three years ago. What's this: delayed-timing outrage?
Also, the NYT is wrong. The law cited does not prohibit search warrants for journalists in all cases. In fact, it specifically states that such searches can be conducted when classified materials are involved.
(a) Work product materials
Notwithstanding any other law, it shall be unlawful for a government officer or employee, in connection with the investigation or prosecution of a criminal offense, to search for or seize any work product materials possessed by a person reasonably believed to have a purpose to disseminate to the public a newspaper, book, broadcast, or other similar form of public communication, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce; but this provision shall not impair or affect the ability of any government officer or employee, pursuant to otherwise applicable law, to search for or seize such materials, if
(1)there is probable cause to believe that the person possessing such materials has committed or is committing the criminal offense to which the materials relate: Provided, however, That a government officer or employee may not search for or seize such materials under the provisions of this paragraph if the offense to which the materials relate consists of the receipt, possession, communication, or withholding of such materials or the information contained therein (but such a search or seizure may be conducted under the provisions of this paragraph if the offense consists of the receipt, possession, or communication of information relating to the national defense, classified information, or restricted data under the provisions of section 793, 794, 797, or 798 of title 18, or section 2274, 2275, or 2277 of this title, or section 783 of title 50, or if the offense involves the production, possession, receipt, mailing, sale, distribution, shipment, or transportation of child pornography, the sexual exploitation of children, or the sale or purchase of children under section 2251, 2251A, 2252, or 2252A of title 18); or
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2000aa
Notwithstanding any other law, it shall be unlawful for a government officer or employee, in connection with the investigation or prosecution of a criminal offense, to search for or seize any work product materials possessed by a person reasonably believed to have a purpose to disseminate to the public a newspaper, book, broadcast, or other similar form of public communication, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce; but this provision shall not impair or affect the ability of any government officer or employee, pursuant to otherwise applicable law, to search for or seize such materials, if
(1)there is probable cause to believe that the person possessing such materials has committed or is committing the criminal offense to which the materials relate: Provided, however, That a government officer or employee may not search for or seize such materials under the provisions of this paragraph if the offense to which the materials relate consists of the receipt, possession, communication, or withholding of such materials or the information contained therein (but such a search or seizure may be conducted under the provisions of this paragraph if the offense consists of the receipt, possession, or communication of information relating to the national defense, classified information, or restricted data under the provisions of section 793, 794, 797, or 798 of title 18, or section 2274, 2275, or 2277 of this title, or section 783 of title 50, or if the offense involves the production, possession, receipt, mailing, sale, distribution, shipment, or transportation of child pornography, the sexual exploitation of children, or the sale or purchase of children under section 2251, 2251A, 2252, or 2252A of title 18); or
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2000aa
Here's the applicable US Code:
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/37/793
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/37/793
CONFIRMED: Fox News Hack James Rosen Is A Political Operative, Not A Journalist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022897356
WaPo: DOJ Spied On Fox News Reporter (a perfect example of media complicity - updated)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022871121
Updated to add:
News Corp. ex-counsel denies being alerted to probe of Fox reporter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022905278
Behind the Resignation of Murdoch's Top Lawyer: $656M in Defeats
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2905564
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You mean to say that Fox learned of something recently? Ha ha ha!! I doubt it.
Major Hogwash
May 2013
#2
Of course it's delayed-timing outrage. They were timing their outrage for ScandalMania™
JaneyVee
May 2013
#3
Shouldn't that be "FOX learned about the search warrant nearly three years ago"?
George Gently
May 2013
#7
Apology. CNN is reporting that FOX recently learned about the search warrant
George Gently
May 2013
#8
CONFIRMED: Obama government is waging an unprecedented, dangerous war on press freedom.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#10
Fox lies all the time. That doesn't mean the government should be snoop-reading Fox's emails.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#12
not what I heard. I heard the DOJ went to a magistrate and said Mr. Rosen might have conspired to
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#14
Mr. Rosen commited no crime. You keep implying he did something illegal. nt
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#18
Soliciting classified information from government employees is not a crime.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#21
I can't tell whether you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or just confused yourself.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#23
You probably think it is illegal for a reporter to ask a government employee for classified info.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#27
There is no "crime of soliciting classified information". You just made that crime up. nt
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#30
Do you have a cite for that? US Code? I had a TS clearance for many years and learned
dumbcat
May 2013
#75
Yes it is, and I expect Rosen to indicted any day now, any time now ... pretty soon ...
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#38
Sure, they always accuse reporters of being co-conspitators in order to obtain search warrants
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#41
The judges *did* object to the part of the affidavit that asked to hide it from the news
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#48
LOL! Isn't the actual POINT that they don't "always accuse reporters of being co-conspirators . . .
George Gently
May 2013
#45
New flash for you. DOJ rules *require* it in the case of reporters and news organizations.
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#47
Absolutely wrong. The judges refused the *no notice* TWICE. They had to go to a third judge to
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#51
No, seriously. I wanted the rest of DU to be able to read and judge for themselves who offered
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#55
You are so mis-informed it is scary. *Any* delay in notification causes harm to the ideal
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#54
DOJ rules *require* it in the case of a news organization or reporter. What part of this don't you
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#60
DOJ Rules require quite a bit in reference to news media. But you already knew that, right?
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#65
No, it's you that are confused. A subpoena *was* issued for his phone records subsequent to the
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#69
Wow, your ignorance of facts is stunning. Even in the face of evidence to the
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#71
I already showed that a subpoena was issued for his phone records subsequent to the approval
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#73
That you continue to evade the fact that a subpoena *was* issued for his phone records subsequent
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#78
There are opportunists here who will champion FOX, repeat GOP talking points
emulatorloo
May 2013
#88
Yep and as far as I'm concerned championing Fox is fucking blatantly rooting for
DevonRex
May 2013
#89
THANK YOU VERY MUCH Prosense for your FACT BASED analysis. What detractors come back with is opinion
uponit7771
May 2013
#80
Have we been reading the same thread? Show me where I have *not* documented what I've been
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#87