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In reply to the discussion: Health Insurance Rate Shock-California Obamacare Insurance Exchange Announces Premium Rates [View all]Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)25. Because it is a racket. It's lipstick on a pig.
Our healthcare system is gravely distorted by the profit imperative. We need health care reform, not health insurance reform. We need nationalized health care, not this Rube Goldberg system designed to ensure profits for those fucking parasites preying off illness.
I spend more on health insurance than I do on my car payment, my house payment, or food. Not for health care. For health insurance. I give these assholes $8,000 a year, and they still don't want to pay for a shingles vaccine.
I applaud Obama for his tiny first steps, but that's all they are.
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Health Insurance Rate Shock-California Obamacare Insurance Exchange Announces Premium Rates [View all]
Scuba
May 2013
OP
History repeats. Democrats have a long history of cleaning up republican fiscal messes at
bluestate10
May 2013
#191
More info please: where do you live, what is your premium and for what insurance?
SunSeeker
May 2013
#3
That website, which allowed a person a larger and more complete understanding of what was to
truedelphi
May 2013
#157
"Every 3-6 months since the insurance act passed...my premiums are going up"
cheapdate
May 2013
#259
Exactly. My brother will finally be able to buy insurance for the first time in his life.
SunSeeker
May 2013
#4
bullshit. sanders said there were less than 10 votes for single payer in the senate...
dionysus
May 2013
#228
Well, I didn't get the shingles shot, even though my doctor recommended it.
Comrade Grumpy
May 2013
#34
So the reason insurance costs are so high is because people are getting TOO MUCH care?
BrotherIvan
May 2013
#42
Probably not what the poster was talking about, BUT I think there's some truth in that.
Squinch
May 2013
#105
All it does is require a person to have "coverage" it does nothing to guarantee access to care.
dflprincess
May 2013
#187
I agree on single-payer, and the disastrous state of our for-profit insurance system ...
Scuba
May 2013
#17
I agree Scuba.....gotta get the door open to begin with and the ACA does that.
a kennedy
May 2013
#35
Yes "it's a first step" has a nice ring but is hollow unless it is followed up with a second
rhett o rick
May 2013
#89
I wish I were 18. But reality is, I'm not. Time to move on and work with what we have...
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#22
Che we will get there. It might be a slower process but I have a feeling we will get there.
southernyankeebelle
May 2013
#51
And another chapter in the history of vicious discrimination against gay people opens....
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#18
Oh, the naysayers and anti-healthcare reform sky-is-falling folks aren't gonna like this.
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#19
A 63-year old single making 60K under the Covered CA "silver" plan pays $679 a month.
haele
May 2013
#166
your health may be "relatively good" one day, and "really bad" the next. Holding off until Medicare
antigop
Jun 2013
#285
They are affordable in a sick world where your health premiums are similar to your mortgage
dkf
May 2013
#33
That statement is just so you, overlooking the pollutants and poisons that are killing us.
Scuba
May 2013
#74
Now I see what you mean. It's not a great deal for middle to upper middle class
flamingdem
May 2013
#57
If they got laid off, they wouldn't have the income and would qualify for lower rates and subsidies
OKNancy
May 2013
#107
$1026 per month for two people w/ income $63000 IS NOT AFFORDABLE-- I don't care what your age is.
antigop
May 2013
#120
ACA looks like it's going to make a new class of poor people. Those with a living income who don't
Flatulo
May 2013
#140
But when you find yourself between that rock and a hard place, it's still better than what we had.
hunter
May 2013
#76
I have to agree with you there brother. Same thing here in MA with our Romneycare.
Flatulo
May 2013
#113
I didn't say it didn't benefit me -- I don't live in CA. But the CA rates screw older pre-Medicare
antigop
May 2013
#185
exactly what I have tried to get across...ACCESS means nothing if you CAN'T AFFORD the
antigop
May 2013
#192
I've been beating that drum for a long time and many don't seem to get it.
dflprincess
May 2013
#199
You are correct -- many don't seem to get it...until it happens to them. Thank you. nt
antigop
May 2013
#200
The shame is the ACA will do nothing to alleviate the bankruptcies ...
slipslidingaway
May 2013
#252
that's my point. It's not just the PREMIUMS...it's the copays/coinsurance/deductibles
antigop
May 2013
#117
Exactly and we're living it now with a high annual out of pocket maximum...
slipslidingaway
May 2013
#254
Why do You think Repukes voted so vehemently against ACA? It's going to be one of the best things..
hue
May 2013
#100
that's what people need to look at -- it's not just the premiums --- it's the max out of pocket...
antigop
May 2013
#121
Even With the Affordable Care Act, Health Insurance Coverage Remains Unaffordable for Many
antigop
May 2013
#122
This is good, it will begin the move of health insurance from employers to individual....
cbdo2007
May 2013
#155
I'm pretty sure you didn't get my response. Maybe reread it and have a cup of
cbdo2007
May 2013
#161
I don't need to do research...I read the article and understood what it said. nt
antigop
May 2013
#164
well, it's your choice... you can misinterpret the article or you can go back and re-read it and
antigop
May 2013
#167
Thank you for the permission to have a choice. I grant you permission to have a choice as well
cbdo2007
May 2013
#169
I wasn't misinterpreting anything...you need to understand what the article says. nt
antigop
May 2013
#172
But your post shows you really didn't understand it. Sorry. No need to keep this up.
antigop
May 2013
#181
I understood it just fine. Unfortunately you didn't understand my response and make the connection
cbdo2007
May 2013
#210
Some NC employers cut worker hours to avoid cost of health care reform
WorseBeforeBetter
Jun 2013
#271
President Obama's plan already saves me $19,200 OUT OF POCKET. with NO lifetime cap, and
graham4anything
May 2013
#126
I wouldn't call $1500/month "affordable". And what is the max out of pocket in addition
antigop
May 2013
#131
I know they are the current rates....the poster was touting how "great" they were. nt
antigop
May 2013
#144
Nope what? Who can afford $18000 in premiums as graham4anything is paying today? nt
antigop
May 2013
#225
And you have to be able to handle premiums+ max op if you want to be covered. nt
antigop
May 2013
#241
Did you read your own article? That's the high risk pool, not the exchange. nt
antigop
Jun 2013
#265
you don't even know if it's "progress" or not if you don't know the max out of pocket. You were the
antigop
May 2013
#151
Best benefit to me is-WE WERE FREE TO CHANGE now in 2013.WE WERE NOT FREE in 2012(or prior).
graham4anything
May 2013
#208
and how many people can afford $1500/month + max op? That's the point. Just because YOU can.
antigop
May 2013
#211
One has to have insurance. One has to make choices on WHAT IS AVAILABLE today, not 20 yrs from now
graham4anything
May 2013
#213
Thank God for President Obama,Sen. Kennedy Gov. Brown and future Pres. Hillary for moving us forward
graham4anything
May 2013
#217
I keep asking the question because NO ONE has been able to claim $1026 for two people on a $63000
antigop
May 2013
#229
and I'll ask the question again...how many people can afford $1500/month +max OP?
antigop
May 2013
#215
I'm reiterating that the rates are NOT affordable -- especially for older pre-Medicare who do not
antigop
May 2013
#226
Now figure out the % of what you are paying in premiums + your max out of pocket.
antigop
Jun 2013
#266
You were the one raving about the tax breaks. So--what's the percentage of income
antigop
Jun 2013
#291
You can't spread the premiums over years... they have to be paid each month. nt
antigop
Jun 2013
#296
I'm very familiar with the legislation -- but you weren't following the thread
antigop
May 2013
#224
Average premiums in Cali are $323 post leg. Now, you tell me what your couple paid prior to the
mzmolly
May 2013
#233
Average means nothing....look at the calculator... run the scenarios...two people ages 55 -64.
antigop
May 2013
#235
The calculator = worst case scenario and was based upon inaccurate predictions.
mzmolly
May 2013
#237
for the last time...READ. THE. ARTICLE. It doesn't say COVERED CA is based upon older data.
antigop
Jun 2013
#301
Sorry to hear that, NiteOWll. I agree -- it's not just the premiums. It's the copays, coinsurance
antigop
May 2013
#186
My health-care coverage (Capital Blue Cross/Group. PA.) just INCREASED $17/mo = $204/yr more.
WinkyDink
May 2013
#248