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kenny blankenship

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42. Too many libruls told 'em not to, so they decided they had to!
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:36 PM
Dec 2011

No, but really there were a confluence of multiple actors and multiple reasons - all of them evil and most of them incredibly stupid and reckless. Every single reason given on this page probably played its part, from the macro-causes like the desire to control access to the ME oil patch, all the way to the micro-motives of petty vengeance and vainglory. It wasn't just Bush and Cheney. It wasn't just Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld. If Hitler had been the only one who wanted to conquer the world and to punish perceived, historical enemies of Germany, the Second World War would never have happened. There was an underlying sickness waiting to erupt into an epidemic.

Some elements of the DC establishment smelled MONEY in war spending. Some wanted to eliminate a country on Israel's Enemies List. Some players saw a chance to capture a major petroleum supplying nation, and turn it into a US protectorate, and thus into a "mole" for us inside of OPEC. Some wanted to demonstrate to the world that the US was still the global actor that could kick in your front door, take your stuff, and rape your wife and daughter right in front of you before blowing your brains out - and therefore a New Rome to be obeyed and paid off with tribute. Some wanted to make sure OPEC nations would see what can happen to you if you start taking Euros in payment for your oil instead of US dollars. Some wanted to permanently overturn the entire framework of international law regulating the use of military force, that was established at the end of WWII, which had elevated the UN and international consensus above the fiat of empires and hegemons, paving the way for the end of colonialism and serving as a buffer and referee between vying preeminent powers. Some saw a perfect opportunity to create a war atmosphere in the United States to beat down all dissension in domestic politics and to cast support for the young soldiers at war in Iraq as support for the President's election, and refusal to support the President and his reelection as betrayal of our young warriors laying down their lives for our freedom.
It wasn't just the Shrub that had a hard on for slaughtering Iraqis. War fever gripped almost all of the visible government - and presumably it gripped all of the shadow government which pulls the strings on the puppets you see in the White House and Congress. One whole political party was brought together in joyous unanimity by the prospect of using war fever as a weapon against the other one. The other party, as is its wont, cravenly split between those defensively "taking it off the table" and going along with war on one hand, and those attempt to cash on the other. A courageous minority said NO. Their warnings were ignored and they were smeared as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. But whichever party or branch of government they stood in, most of the factions and actors involved in the rush to war were probably motivated by more than one of the above ideas and goals. Given the power of the American system of government to concentrate pompous idiots and remorseless assholes into one place, to elevate the bad over the good, it is fair to say that never was there a more foolish and more unjustified war that was also so inevitable.

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WHY WERE WE EVER IN IRAQ? [View all] kpete Dec 2011 OP
O I L baldguy Dec 2011 #1
You wish! comipinko Dec 2011 #3
PNAC thought of taking out Saddam long before W came on the scene. baldguy Dec 2011 #10
"they " would never have gotton it done comipinko Dec 2011 #17
Yeah they would have. Didn't Cheney divvy up Iraq's oil fields w/Big Oil Guys gateley Dec 2011 #46
Major reason....plus W had personal ones too. W wanted to be WAR President ala John Wayne opihimoimoi Dec 2011 #30
War profiteering. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #34
Exactly right. GoCubsGo Dec 2011 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author newspeak Dec 2011 #64
yep, the all powerful MIC, and musn't forget the military is the largest US consumer of oil nt G_j Dec 2011 #59
Bush had no say in it. n/t Scuba Dec 2011 #48
It all boiled down to the CIC's "daddy issues" comipinko Dec 2011 #2
Because Saddam tried to whack Bush I MicaelS Dec 2011 #4
It was a field test for our new weapons n/t doc03 Dec 2011 #5
Remember the PNAC? It was in their game-plan. shraby Dec 2011 #6
Yes! Wind Dancer Dec 2011 #32
j-bradford's blog makes a good point JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Dec 2011 #8
Within hours of the attacks, they tried to link Iraq to 9/11. HughBeaumont Dec 2011 #12
well, halliburton who wasn't doing too well newspeak Dec 2011 #31
burn through the treasury so there would be nothing left for rurallib Dec 2011 #9
I think it was created as cover for what SCOTUS did by stopping the count in FL Tippy Dec 2011 #11
Iraq was an existential threat, the fate of all western civilization was at stake.. Fumesucker Dec 2011 #13
Saddam tried to kill my Daddy. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #14
Insane profits for military contractors. Initech Dec 2011 #15
and, we have a winner!!! MH1 Dec 2011 #52
I like to refer to this as "the unwinnable war for obscene profit." Initech Dec 2011 #62
To finish Poppy's war. lpbk2713 Dec 2011 #16
Because this map was on Dick Cheney's desk in Feb. & March 2001 Botany Dec 2011 #18
To set up permanent miltary bases and control the region. tjwash Dec 2011 #19
Your comment surprised me. Control-Z Dec 2011 #49
Saddam was a bad, bad, man who made decisions that hurt his own people, don't you know. theophilus Dec 2011 #20
Much the same reason they want to attack Iran cpwm17 Dec 2011 #21
Iran will their Stalingrad. bikebloke Dec 2011 #22
Just like Vietnam and Afghanistan. For politcians to win votes by displaying their "toughness". Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #23
Control the terrain, protect corporate profit, kill humans resistant to the idea (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #24
Because we elected/allowed bush and cheney into office bhikkhu Dec 2011 #25
The simple answer is greed and power.... OwnedByFerrets Dec 2011 #26
Because the Supreme Court appointed GHW Bush's kid to the presidency. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #27
I have to agree with the posters who point to PNAC. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #28
Corporate greed, and the further consolidation of 1% corporate control over the planet: Zorra Dec 2011 #29
EXCELLENT post Zorra!!!! BeHereNow Dec 2011 #39
"Biggest heist ever perpetuated on the planet." Or maybe the second... Zorra Dec 2011 #44
If you look at the end result dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #33
For the money. Orsino Dec 2011 #35
don't you remember? they had wmds. eom ellenfl Dec 2011 #36
And why did the President, who said Iraq was a "dumb" war keep supporting sad sally Dec 2011 #37
He actually got us out on a time table very similar to the one he ran on. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #53
george h. and george w. spanone Dec 2011 #38
So "W" could go his Daddy one better...... frebrd Dec 2011 #41
Too many libruls told 'em not to, so they decided they had to! kenny blankenship Dec 2011 #42
they never tell me anything unionworks Dec 2011 #43
oil sasha031 Dec 2011 #45
$$$ That's always the answer as to why we do anything. $$$. nt gateley Dec 2011 #47
Besides oil and daddy issues we must not forget profiteering. jwirr Dec 2011 #50
Read the FOIA request and results concerning Cheney's mmonk Dec 2011 #51
PNAC / Cheney's Energy Plan / Replay of the easy Gulf War #1 for Daddy ... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #54
Lots of dumb reasons. But the biggest outcome Jakes Progress Dec 2011 #55
You've (not personally) have had your eyes on Iraq for years and years MichaelMcGuire Dec 2011 #56
Oil and whatever other resources we could steal. Also to make sure oil continued to be denominated truth2power Dec 2011 #57
because bushco lied our way into it? is this a rhetorical question? dionysus Dec 2011 #58
Because Al Qaeda successfully attacked us under Bush/Cheney gulliver Dec 2011 #60
little boots even stated that he didn't care about OBL newspeak Dec 2011 #66
War = Profit SHRED Dec 2011 #61
purple fingers for freedom Enrique Dec 2011 #63
shhhhhhhhh! DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #65
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