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ProSense

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Sun May 26, 2013, 07:54 PM
May 2013

"Soliciting classified information from government employees is not a crime.

Unless they are just now making it one. Which is what I am against, and why I keep talking about it.

If that were a crime then half the White House press corps would be guilty of it."

...utter nonsense. Do you actually believe what you type? Getting involved in the criminal leaking of classified information opens you up to scrutiny.

Claiming that the WH press corp is "guilty" of this is beyond absurd. It's silly apologia for Rosen's actions.

You need to stop pretending that this is the first time reporters have been subjected to subpoenas and warrants after being ensnared in a leak investigation. In fact, everyone should stop pretending. The same arguments were used during the Plame leak investigation.

''We regret that the special prosecutor has chosen to issue a subpoena that seeks to compel Judy Miller to reveal her confidential sources,'' Mr. Sulzberger said. ''Journalists should not have to face the prospect of imprisonment for doing nothing more than aggressively seeking to report on the government's actions. Such subpoenas make it less likely that sources will be willing to talk candidly with reporters and ultimately it is the public that suffers.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/13/us/times-reporter-is-subpoenaed-in-leak-case.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=746923

In July 2005, Miller was jailed for contempt of court for refusing to testify before a federal grand jury investigating a leak naming Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA officer. Miller did not write about Plame, but was reportedly in possession of evidence relevant to the leak investigation. According to a subpoena, Miller met with an unnamed government official, later revealed to be I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff, on July 8, 2003, two days after former ambassador Joseph Wilson (the husband of Plame) published an Op-Ed in the Times criticizing the Bush administration for "twisting" intelligence to justify war in Iraq. Plame's CIA identity was divulged publicly in a column by conservative political commentator Robert Novak on July 14, 2003.

On July 16, 2005, The Washington Post reported that Miller could face criminal contempt charges, which could have extended her jail time six months beyond the four months then anticipated.[25] The Post also suggested that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was particularly interested in hearing Miller's version of her encounter with Libby. Filings by Fitzgerald reportedly alleged that Miller's defiance of the court constituted a crime. On September 29, 2005, after spending 85 days in jail, Miller was released following a telephone call with Libby. He had reconfirmed the release of confidentiality which he had given her a year earlier, and which she already knew about. Under oath, Miller was questioned by Fitzgerald before a federal grand jury the following day, September 30, 2005,[26] but was not relieved of contempt charges until after testifying again on October 12, 2005. For her second grand jury appearance, Miller produced a notebook from a previously undisclosed meeting with Libby on June 23, 2003, several weeks before Wilson's New York Times editorial was published. According to Miller's notes from that earlier meeting, Libby disclosed that Joseph Wilson's wife was a CIA employee involved in her husband's trip to Niger. Miller's notebook from her July 8, 2003, meeting with Libby contains the name "Valerie Flame [sic]".[27] This reference occurred six days before Novak published Plame's name and unmasked her as a CIA operative.

Miller's grand jury account was the basis for her last article in The Times. Miller testified as a witness on January 30, 2007, at the trial of Scooter Libby, which began in January 2007 and ended with Libby's conviction on four of five counts on March 6, 2007.[28] Libby's sentence was subsequently commuted by President George W. Bush.

The New York Times published Miller's first-person account, "My Four Hours Testifying in the Federal Grand Jury Room", on October 16, 2005. After the First Amendment claim, she was widely derided for saying that she could not remember who gave her the name "Valerie Plame" but that she was sure it didn't come from Libby.[29] Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer testified, for example, that he was told Plame's name and CIA identity by Libby at lunch on July 7, 2003, one day before Libby's breakfast meeting with Miller.[30]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller#Failure_to_report_source_controversy


Reporter Says He First Learned of C.I.A. Operative From Rove
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10022850304


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Another well resourced thread from ProSense. longship May 2013 #1
yes CatWoman May 2013 #4
Thank you ProSense May 2013 #5
+1 Buzz Clik May 2013 #76
You mean to say that Fox learned of something recently? Ha ha ha!! I doubt it. Major Hogwash May 2013 #2
Of course it's delayed-timing outrage. They were timing their outrage for ScandalMania™ JaneyVee May 2013 #3
I always laugh when stories use unnamed government sources... Historic NY May 2013 #6
Shouldn't that be "FOX learned about the search warrant nearly three years ago"? George Gently May 2013 #7
Apology. CNN is reporting that FOX recently learned about the search warrant George Gently May 2013 #8
No need to ProSense May 2013 #9
CONFIRMED: Obama government is waging an unprecedented, dangerous war on press freedom. limpyhobbler May 2013 #10
CONFIRMED: ProSense May 2013 #11
Fox lies all the time. That doesn't mean the government should be snoop-reading Fox's emails. limpyhobbler May 2013 #12
LOL! ProSense May 2013 #13
not what I heard. I heard the DOJ went to a magistrate and said Mr. Rosen might have conspired to limpyhobbler May 2013 #14
Don't ProSense May 2013 #15
Are you saying Mr. Rosen did something illegal? limpyhobbler May 2013 #16
You know, ProSense May 2013 #17
Mr. Rosen commited no crime. You keep implying he did something illegal. nt limpyhobbler May 2013 #18
Fox lied. n/t ProSense May 2013 #19
Yes. Rosen is an alleged criminal. George Gently May 2013 #20
Soliciting classified information from government employees is not a crime. limpyhobbler May 2013 #21
What ProSense May 2013 #22
I can't tell whether you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or just confused yourself. limpyhobbler May 2013 #23
Well, I can't tell if you're being obtuse. n/t ProSense May 2013 #24
You are free to offer your defense to the judge. George Gently May 2013 #25
You probably think it is illegal for a reporter to ask a government employee for classified info. limpyhobbler May 2013 #27
Indeed it is a crime. George Gently May 2013 #26
Oh really? Then why hasn't he been arrested? limpyhobbler May 2013 #28
With due regard to your "figuring" . . . George Gently May 2013 #29
There is no "crime of soliciting classified information". You just made that crime up. nt limpyhobbler May 2013 #30
You might want to explain that to the judge who issued the warrant. George Gently May 2013 #31
Yet the DOJ had to go judge shopping. woo me with science May 2013 #44
"Judge shopping"? Quoting Breitbart? Drudge? How low ya gonna sink here? George Gently May 2013 #92
*In Jeff Goldblum voice* Yes, yes, he just pulled it clean out of his ass davidpdx May 2013 #84
Do you have a cite for that? US Code? I had a TS clearance for many years and learned dumbcat May 2013 #75
It is a crime to solicit a crime. George Gently May 2013 #77
US Code? dumbcat May 2013 #79
I'm suspicious of you already. LOL! First the Dictionary . . . George Gently May 2013 #82
Thank you for that cite. But dumbcat May 2013 #85
And I lurked here a long time before registering at DU dumbcat May 2013 #86
Shame on you for repeating this baseless garbage. woo me with science May 2013 #32
What the fuck are you talking about? ProSense May 2013 #33
It's a good thing ProSense May 2013 #34
You are wrong. Period. George Gently May 2013 #35
Yes it is, and I expect Rosen to indicted any day now, any time now ... pretty soon ... SlimJimmy May 2013 #38
See # 29. George Gently May 2013 #40
Sure, they always accuse reporters of being co-conspitators in order to obtain search warrants SlimJimmy May 2013 #41
Well, ProSense May 2013 #42
The judges *did* object to the part of the affidavit that asked to hide it from the news SlimJimmy May 2013 #48
And ProSense May 2013 #50
LOL! Isn't the actual POINT that they don't "always accuse reporters of being co-conspirators . . . George Gently May 2013 #45
New flash for you. DOJ rules *require* it in the case of reporters and news organizations. SlimJimmy May 2013 #47
Oh ProSense May 2013 #49
Absolutely wrong. The judges refused the *no notice* TWICE. They had to go to a third judge to SlimJimmy May 2013 #51
Hmmm? ProSense May 2013 #53
No, seriously. I wanted the rest of DU to be able to read and judge for themselves who offered SlimJimmy May 2013 #55
. ProSense May 2013 #56
Great response. Exactly what I expected, and you didn't disappoint. SlimJimmy May 2013 #57
Psst! ProSense May 2013 #58
Thanks. We *do* want them to read our exchange and not others. SlimJimmy May 2013 #62
You have been bamboozled ---- hook, line and sinker. George Gently May 2013 #52
You are so mis-informed it is scary. *Any* delay in notification causes harm to the ideal SlimJimmy May 2013 #54
Put down those water buckets. George Gently May 2013 #59
DOJ rules *require* it in the case of a news organization or reporter. What part of this don't you SlimJimmy May 2013 #60
DOJ Rules *require* no such thing. Why keep repeating the lie? George Gently May 2013 #61
Wrong, but keep saying it and it might become true. SlimJimmy May 2013 #63
You are confusing the law and the DOJ Rules. George Gently May 2013 #64
DOJ Rules require quite a bit in reference to news media. But you already knew that, right? SlimJimmy May 2013 #65
Now you are confusing a search warrant with a subpoena. George Gently May 2013 #66
No, it's you that are confused. A subpoena *was* issued for his phone records subsequent to the SlimJimmy May 2013 #69
Not to the search warrant. You really, really aren't getting this. George Gently May 2013 #70
Wow, your ignorance of facts is stunning. Even in the face of evidence to the SlimJimmy May 2013 #71
So ya got nothin'? Shocker. And ya oughtta be ashamed of yourself, btw. George Gently May 2013 #72
I already showed that a subpoena was issued for his phone records subsequent to the approval SlimJimmy May 2013 #73
You don't comprehend that it makes no difference. You have so conflated George Gently May 2013 #74
That you continue to evade the fact that a subpoena *was* issued for his phone records subsequent SlimJimmy May 2013 #78
The OP has been updated. ProSense May 2013 #36
No, it hasn't. woo me with science May 2013 #43
See the note, ProSense May 2013 #46
Hmmm... ProSense May 2013 #37
Thanks ProSense May 2013 #39
Shame goes to those who defend Fox as journalism to begin with, DevonRex May 2013 #67
+1 uponit7771 May 2013 #83
There are opportunists here who will champion FOX, repeat GOP talking points emulatorloo May 2013 #88
Yep and as far as I'm concerned championing Fox is fucking blatantly rooting for DevonRex May 2013 #89
Agreed, and very well put. emulatorloo May 2013 #91
^^^ this ^^^ Bobbie Jo May 2013 #90
QFT ucrdem May 2013 #68
THANK YOU VERY MUCH Prosense for your FACT BASED analysis. What detractors come back with is opinion uponit7771 May 2013 #80
Have we been reading the same thread? Show me where I have *not* documented what I've been SlimJimmy May 2013 #87
ProSense thank you for keeping on top of this! hrmjustin May 2013 #81
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