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160. The reason we don't have such definitive studies

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:00 AM

May 2013

yet is because we need to follow people over a long period of time. Funding for health-related research is being cut everywhere. We need to study the younger <guinea pig> generation to see what happens to them in 10-20 years.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/prweb/article/Cell-Phones-and-Brain-Cancer-Group-Warns-RF-4199992.php

As long as this topic is being studied and debated, it's probably wise to be careful. Obviously there is a big investment in this technology and the younger generations (exposed all their lives) are the guinea pigs. Is there really any consumer protection in America? It's all about what can be litigated, and what can't.

Take the case of HRT--hormone replacement therapy--once pushed as completely safe. Now on the official list of "Known carcinogens" along with benzenes, asbestos, tobacco, etc.

So if you want to hear the "don't worry, be happy" business line of thinking, fine. But just realize that we don't really know.

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Student science experiment finds plants won't grow near Wi-Fi router [View all] IdaBriggs May 2013 OP

Fallacy of undivided middle TrogL May 2013 #1

I think it would take more than one experiment to confirm this as causation madokie May 2013 #3

True but while they do more tests the WiFi leaves our bedroom malaise May 2013 #14

Nothing wrong with that thinking for sure madokie May 2013 #44

The precautionary principle Berlum May 2013 #97

Ha malaise May 2013 #106

Of course. It needs more than one experiment to see if it's true. sakabatou May 2013 #107

Agreed. redwitch May 2013 #7

Possibly but it certainly begs further study and therefore was a successful experiment. Kablooie May 2013 #37

Some of this was addressed in the longer ABC piece. IdaBriggs May 2013 #84

" I'm betting something was different between the two rooms" greiner3 May 2013 #157

I'm thinking like a downdraft that dried out one set of seeds TrogL May 2013 #162

We're gonna need a bigger bag Cirque du So-What May 2013 #2

Uh Oh...you looking to stir up "stuff?" KoKo May 2013 #4

Moi? Cirque du So-What May 2013 #10

LMAO! But phones out of the bedroom for now! n/t Greybnk48 May 2013 #21

Yep. ananda May 2013 #32

Wow. That is A LOT of popcorn! IdaBriggs May 2013 #63

Would you like me to post photos from my greenhouse? REP May 2013 #74

Your orchids are incredibly beautiful! etherealtruth May 2013 #75

Thanks! Compliments just gets you more photos, though. REP May 2013 #79

Breathtaking! Thank you! n/t etherealtruth May 2013 #86

Very nice! MNBrewer May 2013 #90

Phals are winter bloomers* REP May 2013 #94

Will it help if I put it next to my wireless router? MNBrewer May 2013 #99

As long as they don't have your credit card number REP May 2013 #100

OMG! circumcised Pitt Bulls were breastfeeding in Olive Gardens???!!! nt tblue37 May 2013 #148

Seems to me there was a report several years ago burnodo May 2013 #5

in the mid nineties there was a scare DeadEyeDyck May 2013 #58

Yes and there are different frequencies of electromagnetic energy siligut May 2013 #80

You ever notice the dead circles around the cell towers Progressive dog May 2013 #6

turns out we're all actually dead people. unblock May 2013 #9

Zombiebot nation. ananda May 2013 #33

+1 Canuckistanian May 2013 #18

The dead circles around cell towers are most likely caused by SpankMe May 2013 #39

I was joking about there being dead circles Progressive dog May 2013 #46

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #53

Mother Nature Network? MineralMan May 2013 #8

Also reported by ABC News. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #13

+1 Liberal_in_LA May 2013 #15

Yes. It will be interesting to see the results of a MineralMan May 2013 #27

Might be interesting gvstn May 2013 #62

That would be good, but they would also need the person watering the plants not know Thor_MN May 2013 #153

I promise you that the plants growing next to the router will not be dead ... Buzz Clik May 2013 #66

Definitely deserving of more research. Good on the girls regardless of eventual outcome. nt stevenleser May 2013 #11

"If they slept with their mobile phones near their heads at night"..... Nye Bevan May 2013 #12

Exactly. penultimate May 2013 #16

^THIS^ mac56 May 2013 #26

... or it didn't entirely wake them ... surrealAmerican May 2013 #55

This was my immediate thought. hughee99 May 2013 #144

Woooooooo MNBrewer May 2013 #17

Not sure what the turtle story has to do with this one, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #20

Uh huh. MNBrewer May 2013 #48

ABC news isn't known for their science. Apophis May 2013 #51

Who needs prisonplanet anymore? Who needs mercola, or naturalnews?... SidDithers May 2013 #69

GD has certainly become a showcase for Wooo etherealtruth May 2013 #76

See reply #82. Same answer. nt IdaBriggs May 2013 #83

See post #49 / flawed science = wooo (a polite term) etherealtruth May 2013 #87

Hmm. Judges at a regional science competition or you? IdaBriggs May 2013 #92

The kids did a magnificent job for K-I-D-S etherealtruth May 2013 #95

So why the automatic assumption of "woo" (which is insulting to the kids) IdaBriggs May 2013 #108

The WOOOO label was not asigned to the kids etherealtruth May 2013 #110

Since the topic is the kids and their achievement, please clarify. IdaBriggs May 2013 #111

Is this a single trial study? MNBrewer May 2013 #117

It is the results of a regional science fair that is generating international interest IdaBriggs May 2013 #147

The title of this thread is Woo MNBrewer May 2013 #158

See post #87 uppityperson May 2013 #102

LOL etherealtruth May 2013 #105

For goodness sake - get off the "woo" train. IdaBriggs May 2013 #82

Andrew Wakefield REP May 2013 #101

I just finished watching a Mazda commercial that made more sense. IdaBriggs May 2013 #109

Ah. Commercials make sense to you. Understood. REP May 2013 #114

Wow. Just...wow. IdaBriggs May 2013 #116

Ida- for a lot of DU'ers it's not about conversation but proving ones intellectual superiority. KittyWampus May 2013 #118

Do you think they notice the "epic fail" that they keep coming up with? IdaBriggs May 2013 #142

And for others it's not about understanding another's point, but proving one's ignorance. cleanhippie May 2013 #164

Enjoy the go! REP May 2013 #125

Did you win a regional science contest and I missed it? IdaBriggs May 2013 #145

"can only shake my head in awe at those who believe that all the discoveries have already been made" winter is coming May 2013 #122

Edison. Fosbury. Hamilton. IdaBriggs May 2013 #143

We had to constantly cut the weeds growing around the 50KW transmitter antennas. hobbit709 May 2013 #19

I grew seedlings in a room with wi-fi with no problem. NutmegYankee May 2013 #22

Here is a real life experiment that proved to be the cause of dying plants in my home. kelliekat44 May 2013 #23

No need to debate. The test will be refined and run by others and the truth will out. GoneFishin May 2013 #24

Exactly. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #31

I'm skeptical.. the statistics is way too much for not to be observed long ago. My bet is that it... JackN415 May 2013 #25

Power lines too. gulliver May 2013 #28

LOL! Buzz Clik May 2013 #38

Some say its really humans wercal May 2013 #42

The longest grass in my yard is always right underneath the power lines MNBrewer May 2013 #89

And driveways. Grass is low along driveways and tree trunks are rarely by them also. uppityperson May 2013 #103

I was amazed last summer. I went to work one morning, came home and all the trees along the power Thor_MN May 2013 #154

The issue for me is, why have we allowed these technologies to proliferate snot May 2013 #29

For two reasons jeff47 May 2013 #56

OK I'm going to put some plants next to the router Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #30

My cell phone instruction book advised not to waer next to body......its a prepaid samsung..... Gin May 2013 #34

There are some studies which show a correlation Ms. Toad May 2013 #43

I had a cousin marions ghost May 2013 #70

I had a cousin who never used a cell phone, died of brain cancer at 50. Didn't use cordless phones uppityperson May 2013 #104

50-50 chance then marions ghost May 2013 #113

I know a lot of people who use cell phones but don't have brain cancer. I haven't seen reputable uppityperson May 2013 #135

The reason we don't have such definitive studies marions ghost May 2013 #160

I am convinced that my daughter's MMR vaccination is related to her development of IBD Ms. Toad May 2013 #152

Yes we need more research marions ghost May 2013 #159

Bwwwaaahhaaaa! Kudzu, thy hour is nigh!!!! kiva May 2013 #35

Oooh - good thought! n/t Ms. Toad May 2013 #41

They better kill the plans to add wifi to the Amazon forest. Kablooie May 2013 #36

Hmm...sounds a lot like this microwaved water test Ms. Toad May 2013 #40

If you wrap your router in aluminum foil.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #45

A lot of people boost wifi range by making little antenna dishes out of tinfoil. backscatter712 May 2013 #91

(most) Everyone is waiting for better science. (most) Everyone is applauding... Junkdrawer May 2013 #93

The KIDS absolutely rock etherealtruth May 2013 #96

I just realized my wife has a whole shit pot of flowers madokie May 2013 #47

Is today National Flawed Study Day or something? arcane1 May 2013 #49

This is silly. I have a WiFi router in my bedroom Gore1FL May 2013 #50

^== Best. Reply. Ever. IdaBriggs May 2013 #64

Haa ha! n/t JimDandy May 2013 #151

It's good that they are sparking an interest in science in children. Loudestlib May 2013 #52

Maybe they should put the plants a little closer to the window. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #54

Are we supposed to just assume ... surrealAmerican May 2013 #57

You're expected to assume all sorts of things MineralMan May 2013 #60

This is a job for... SCVDem May 2013 #59

Great that these FlaGranny May 2013 #61

I had a tray of seedlings die that weren't near a wireless router. Lex May 2013 #65

The results are clear: it was you. You're toxic. Buzz Clik May 2013 #67

Science is harsh. nt Lex May 2013 #68

You wouldn't want to live in a world without WiFi. Buzz Clik May 2013 #71

They would have died sooner had they been near the router. Gormy Cuss May 2013 #77

yeah this doesnt come close to qualifying as an 'experiement' pasto76 May 2013 #72

Out of curiosity, did you click on the link to see the photos? IdaBriggs May 2013 #73

The kids did a terrific job for kids etherealtruth May 2013 #98

It IS lovely Science Fair fare MNBrewer May 2013 #120

Kudos to these kids! bvar22 May 2013 #78

Why don't they just put toilet water on them? Initech May 2013 #81

What? Water from the toilet? We use Brawndo! backscatter712 May 2013 #88

Monsanto will JimDandy May 2013 #85

And everyone responds according to their bias. Cerridwen May 2013 #112

And there is nothing I can add. IdaBriggs May 2013 #115

There is no such thing as "safe" Harmony Blue May 2013 #119

It's always been known that microwaves are harmful, hasn't it? Signs... Honeycombe8 May 2013 #132

There is no known way that microwaves can cause cancer William Seger May 2013 #146

Interesting post, thanks thesquanderer May 2013 #161

Physicist Bob Parks William Seger May 2013 #163

I looked at the link MNBrewer May 2013 #121

"given the paucity of information."..." Cerridwen May 2013 #123

Based on the available information MNBrewer May 2013 #124

"Woo"? Or doesn't hold with your Cerridwen May 2013 #126

Yeah, my 1994 Ph.D. from the University of California Berkeley is about to be made worthless MNBrewer May 2013 #127

Was two-dimensional thinking taught in your discipline Cerridwen May 2013 #130

Ouch, got me! MNBrewer May 2013 #134

The discussion was "woo" as defined Cerridwen May 2013 #137

Well, again, I clicked the links MNBrewer May 2013 #138

I'd ask you to point to the woo Cerridwen May 2013 #140

If you can't see it MNBrewer May 2013 #141

It's an eighth-grade science project. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #128

The Danish students may not have "woo-ed" but DU sure has MNBrewer May 2013 #129

Quit making sense, dammit! IdaBriggs May 2013 #149

The woo is the presumptive theory that non-ionizing radiation could have an effect on living matter. Thor_MN May 2013 #155

+1. It's one thing to observe that plants didn't grow in the wi-fi room winter is coming May 2013 #165

Wow. Glad my wireless router is in another room & I don't use cell ph. much. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #131

I don't believe it at all. LisaL May 2013 #133

We are bathed by radiowaves every second of our lives. Most of them are not from humans. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #136

Yep. Cerridwen May 2013 #139

Get back to me when those living next to broadcast towers become ill Gravitycollapse May 2013 #166

Maybe they can't concentrate the next day because like tblue37 May 2013 #150

reminds me of the high school science project where microwaved water NoMoreWarNow May 2013 #156