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ProSense

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Mon May 27, 2013, 09:49 AM May 2013

Wow, check out this comment on existing U.S. single-payer system [View all]

The comment is in response to Krugman's piece, posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022907399

My wife and I have single payer healthcare here in the States, and we love it. It cost $110/ month each, and after that, the only costs are for prescription meds, and the costs are negligible. No co-pays, no deductables, no caps, no pre-existing condition barriers. We select our doctors, which means suberb doctors in enlightened Seattle.

Are you interested? It is widely available, but you have to enter the system before you are around 30. It also provides a generous COLA protected pension, which starts when you retire, even at age 38.

Too good to be true? We are covered by Medicare and Tricare. Tricare is enabled by serving a minimum of 20 years of Military service. It has no connection with the VA. I retired as an Air Force colonel 33 years ago as a colonel, though Tricare benefits are identical for all ranks and grades. My wife and I both take Nexium. Cost for a 90 days supply? $3, and that includes the cost of mailing it to us. Unlike Medicare, Tricare can bargain for drug costs.

We have seen the future and it works. We believe that healthcare is a basic human right, and that our government is the ultimate employer when all else fails.

Am I a socialist? Not really, but I wouldn't dread it. I am an Eisenhower Republican, who will likely never vote for another Republican.

Today's Republicans hate Obamacare because they fear it will be a huge success. Dr. Krugman once again hits the nail on the head.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/opinion/krugman-the-obamacare-shock.html?comments#permid=23


The following was originally posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021160997

Where ‘Socialized Medicine’ Has a U.S. Foothold

By UWE E. REINHARDT

Last Friday’s exuberant celebration of Britain’s National Health Service during the opening ceremony for the 2012 Olympics, directed by the Oscar-winning filmmaker Danny Boyle, got me thinking about American attitudes about socialized medicine.

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I have found that one effective way I can stop N.H.S.-bashing dead in its track is to ask bashers this simple question: “Why don’t you like my son?” I posed that question to a congressman who had berated “socialized medicine” during a hearing on health insurance reform at which I testified.

In response to the stunned look this question invariably elicits, I go on: ”You see, our son is a retired captain of the U.S. Marine Corps. He is an American veteran. Remarkably, Americans of all political stripes have long reserved for our veterans the purest form of socialized medicine, the vast health system operated by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (generally known as the V.A. health system). If socialized medicine is as bad as so many on this side of the Atlantic claim, why have both political parties ruling this land deemed socialized medicine the best health system for military veterans? Or do they just not care about them?”

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Socialized medicine refers to systems that couple social health insurance with government-owned and operated health care facilities, such as Britain’s N.H.S. or the Hong Kong Hospital Authority, a still-appreciated legacy of British colonialism. Socialized medicine also typified the health systems operated by the former socialist countries in the Soviet orbit. Evidently, the V.A. health system perfectly fits the definition of socialized medicine.

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http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/where-socialized-medicine-has-a-u-s-foothold/


Improving Quality of Care: How the VA Outpaces Other Systems in Delivering Patient Care
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9100/index1.html

We Already Have a Popular Single-Payer Health Care System -- It's for Active Military and Veterans
http://www.alternet.org/story/141048/we_already_have_a_popular_single-payer_health_care_system_--_it's_for_active_military_and_veterans



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The counter argument... Pelican May 2013 #1
You get the benefit as soon as you enter the service Kingofalldems May 2013 #2
But you have to do at least 20 years in the military to KEEP the benefit......... TheDebbieDee May 2013 #3
You only have Tricare if you're active duty or officially retired (or a spouse/dependent) haele May 2013 #5
The administration has authored unconscionable changes to Tricare. woo me with science May 2013 #9
updated link? itsrobert May 2013 #10
Link to the actual Joint Committee report of the President's plan: woo me with science May 2013 #12
Yep, I finally got the health care coverage I needed at 65, which Cleita May 2013 #4
I have Socialized medicine and I love it. I use the VA. I only pay for medicine, and that is alfredo May 2013 #6
Why is it that the right wing Republicans... ReRe May 2013 #7
K & R Thinkingabout May 2013 #27
You are EXACTLY right Poiuyt May 2013 #31
Exactly. That's why.... ReRe May 2013 #53
Essentially everything wrong in government can be traced to corporate funding of politicians. Maineman May 2013 #36
Yes we do! ReRe May 2013 #54
The Audacity of Middle-of-the-Road! bvar22 May 2013 #8
The ProSense May 2013 #11
No make NoSense. bvar22 May 2013 #13
Ha ProSense May 2013 #15
Well, its obvious you've been struggling for while, bvar22 May 2013 #16
Oh, ProSense May 2013 #17
Who is "Anti-Obama"? bvar22 May 2013 #18
The ProSense May 2013 #19
I am OK with the Medicaid Expansion. bvar22 May 2013 #20
Medicaid ProSense May 2013 #21
The entire Class Based System of Health CARE delivery is an abomination to any Enlightened Democracy bvar22 May 2013 #22
Well, ProSense May 2013 #24
You missed the point....again. bvar22 May 2013 #25
LBJ ProSense May 2013 #26
And then there is THIS little tidbit from one of your kind of Democrats. bvar22 May 2013 #32
What ProSense May 2013 #33
Me stay on topic??!!! bvar22 May 2013 #34
Here ProSense May 2013 #55
The day of Rick Warren, one of the reasons we have shitty healthcare is that equality itself angers Bluenorthwest May 2013 #42
I'm glad bullying and physical intimidation is something you celebrate and find great stevenleser May 2013 #44
Politics ain't Bean Bag, honey! bvar22 May 2013 #45
Bullies always have an excuse for their behavior. No politics in a Democracy is NOT about this crap stevenleser May 2013 #46
Did that old bastard (LBJ) hit somebody? bvar22 May 2013 #47
You missed something alright. You missed the "or" in what I said. nt stevenleser May 2013 #48
You mean the part of your post where you tried to firm up your Strawman... bvar22 May 2013 #50
You dont know what strawman means. You condoned bullying and physical intimidation. I called it out stevenleser May 2013 #56
Mischaracterizing or exaggerating someone's argument, bvar22 May 2013 #57
And I did not in any way incorrectly characterize your argument. Your pictures say it all. stevenleser May 2013 #58
Oh. I get it. bvar22 May 2013 #59
Exactly: "Gold/Silver/Bronze" = deranged and depraved bread_and_roses May 2013 #35
Exactly. nt raouldukelives May 2013 #49
+1 Marr May 2013 #37
"Single Payer" should be invisible as far as it's funding. Much like the military. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #14
...AND we have it for everyone over 65 years of age. roamer65 May 2013 #23
All you have to do is not die before age 65. NorthCarolina May 2013 #41
National health care in many countries works very well no matter what the clowns tries to tell you. Thinkingabout May 2013 #28
Many literally risked their lives for it. I don't want to! WinkyDink May 2013 #29
K&R! nt sheshe2 May 2013 #30
Well, actually FairWinds May 2013 #38
South Korea has universal healthcare davidpdx May 2013 #39
You seemed very opposed to Single Payer when the Republicans were crafting ACA Bluenorthwest May 2013 #40
Socialist? Not quite. Grins May 2013 #43
Howard Zinn says socialism is when the WORKERS own the means of their own production . . . patrice May 2013 #52
but joining the military for benefits & a secure job supports the inclination to WAR. nt patrice May 2013 #51
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