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Mon May 27, 2013, 03:21 PM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

106. I'm not.

The vast majority of states have enacted "Romeo and Juliette" clauses in their statutory rape laws. Those clauses exempt kids that are "close enough" in age from statutory rape charges. And these two girls would be "close enough" in most of those states.

Florida decided to do what they usually do with laws, which is completely fuck it up. Florida law says age of consent is 18, unless the older party is 23 or younger. Then age of consent is 16.

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189 replies	Author	Time	Post
Kaitlyn Hunt's mother under attack by bloggers who say 'Free Kate' is all lies [View all]	shawn703	May 2013	OP
The whole thing stinks. If there is smoke then there is fire. I still think it has	southernyankeebelle	May 2013	#1
What smoke?	shawn703	May 2013	#16
Wild eyed accusations from the freekate camp? I think you have it backwards. nt	pnwmom	May 2013	#27
Backwards?	shawn703	May 2013	#42
I don't know who to believe. I am so glad its clear to you.	southernyankeebelle	May 2013	#45
Well usually it's harder to believe	shawn703	May 2013	#48
Well I really am not following it to closely. I just hope the girl doesn't go to jail and they	southernyankeebelle	May 2013	#49
The "3 year age gap" & other false talking points originated w/Kate's mother	alp227	May 2013	#154
Post removed	Post removed	May 2013	#2
I'm straight and detest the double standard. I think the	arthritisR_US	May 2013	#4
I don't think so. They probably wouldn't have warned the older one more than once first....	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#7
Well that's just silly	shawn703	May 2013	#8
Where is the double standard?	LisaL	May 2013	#9
Because the 18 yr old was female, we will never know but I	arthritisR_US	May 2013	#13
if you're referring to Jerry Seinfeld his minor was over the age of consent	magical thyme	May 2013	#17
Conor Kennedy was 17	shawn703	May 2013	#18
My feeling is that the harm being done to the	arthritisR_US	May 2013	#19
Depends how you look at it	shawn703	May 2013	#20
I agree but people are to blind to see it	Drale	May 2013	#176
I remember sneaking out as a teenager too so	arthritisR_US	May 2013	#184
You must not listen to Stern.	MrSlayer	May 2013	#102
I can honestly say I have never listened to him.	arthritisR_US	May 2013	#157
This I remember. Wasn't it on most shows being discussed?	vaberella	May 2013	#182
"You straights"? No shit?	11 Bravo	May 2013	#6
Haha yeah	shawn703	May 2013	#10
"You straights"? C'mon.	nolabear	May 2013	#11
This message was self-deleted by its author	Iggo	May 2013	#12
Deleting as the post referring to was hidden	The Straight Story	May 2013	#14
When sex between two kids is referred to as "lewd & lascivious", I stop reading & dismiss	pacalo	May 2013	#3
The law is the law. The 18 year old was asked more than once to leave the child alone....	Honeycombe8	May 2013	#5
I'm not about to defend the sneaking out at night; it's a parent's nightmare for the reasons	pacalo	May 2013	#15
Are you listening to yourself?	stupart74	May 2013	#38
So was Romeo.	jeff47	May 2013	#90
And look how well it ended for both of them.	LisaL	May 2013	#95
Yeah, it's terrible that their scheme to flee their stupid parents failed.	jeff47	May 2013	#98
I think it's about time to state the obvious. Romeo and Juliet are not actually people.	LisaL	May 2013	#104
I think it's about time you realize your revulsion at this case	jeff47	May 2013	#111
How would her life be destroyed by a plea deal that included no jail time and no sex offender	LisaL	May 2013	#115
It's a felony conviction.	jeff47	May 2013	#118
If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime.	LisaL	May 2013	#119
The entire point is this should not be a crime.	jeff47	May 2013	#121
Go read the damn play.	Donald Ian Rankin	May 2013	#142
And her screeching	Dorian Gray	May 2013	#149
These are a couple girls, 3 and a half years apart, on the same team.	pnwmom	May 2013	#28
What?	LisaL	May 2013	#62
In this situation. In general, I think the age of 21 for full adulthood	pnwmom	May 2013	#112
Then by your logic, a 20-year-old hooking up with a 14-year-old would be okay?	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#130
No, a six year age difference is too much.	pnwmom	May 2013	#132
Except it wasn't two kids.	Mr. X	May 2013	#26
She's a kid. n/t	pacalo	May 2013	#29
Yes	Mr. X	May 2013	#32
One does one stop being a kid nowdays?	LisaL	May 2013	#63
There's multiple measurements.	jeff47	May 2013	#92
Which is funny, because here is the definition of that	davidpdx	May 2013	#185
The laws weren't as insane when I went to high school.	pacalo	May 2013	#187
Agreed	davidpdx	May 2013	#188
And of course people indignantly deny that there's any hint of bias at work.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#21
except not really	roughrider101	May 2013	#22
No actual stats, but I can think of worse cases than that where nothing ever happened to the guy.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#23
Do you know	roughrider101	May 2013	#24
Admittedly, no.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#25
Do the laws	Mr. X	May 2013	#30
drug laws don't have penalties based on race	dsc	May 2013	#81
Yes and no	Mr. X	May 2013	#120
But penalties for crack are more severe than for powder cocaine	KamaAina	May 2013	#173
And?	Mr. X	May 2013	#183
So what you are saying is	roughrider101	May 2013	#31
No, I'm putting my own interpretation to a somewhat ambiguous situation.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#34
a somewhat ambiguous situation?	roughrider101	May 2013	#99
If you trust the word of Christian fundamentalists who think Kaitlyn "made their daughter gay"	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#135
Who are Christian fundamentalists?	roughrider101	May 2013	#138
Maybe we're both seeing what we want to see. That's very possible.	nomorenomore08	May 2013	#139
And like many red-state Democrats	shawn703	May 2013	#140
It's not likely	roughrider101	May 2013	#141
Yes.	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#33
at my high school, one of the girls in my class was having a relationship with a teacher,	HiPointDem	May 2013	#35
That's factually incorrect...	Chan790	May 2013	#61
Actually, the plea deal offered included no jail time.	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#65
can you provide a link? because almost every article I've seen	magical thyme	May 2013	#110
The net was designed to catch 18 year old boys.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2013	#66
+1	JVS	May 2013	#165
This message was self-deleted by its author	davidn3600	May 2013	#36
FYI...one blogger leading this charge about all this being a lie is a known far-right winger	davidn3600	May 2013	#37
So here's an easy one then	shawn703	May 2013	#41
Yeah, he got caught red-handed on that one.	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#103
I'm not sure it is that easy.	CincyDem	May 2013	#126
Very true, Dave, very true.	AverageJoe90	May 2013	#164
So what is your explanation	shawn703	May 2013	#166
Not only bloggers, but many members of DU have as well	davidpdx	May 2013	#39
18 and 14 is not child molestation...especially when it was just turned 18 and almost 15.	alphafemale	May 2013	#40
It's not like Kate wasn't warned	shawn703	May 2013	#43
According to the Smiths	RockaFowler	May 2013	#44
According to the younger girl's family...	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#46
Never mind the fact that that is the only station--the only reporter even, that they will talk	ScreamingMeemie	May 2013	#68
WTF should they talk to the press at all, unless they want to?	LisaL	May 2013	#75
How well did you listen to your parents when they told you to stay away from someone?	we can do it	May 2013	#159
I've never been in a position	shawn703	May 2013	#163
She didn't "just" turn 18.	LisaL	May 2013	#64
When my daughter was 14...	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#47
How about parenting your child instead.	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#50
You obviously have no clue on teenagers.	itsrobert	May 2013	#51
Ms. Hunt is not a predator.	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#54
I'm not so sure that she's not a predator.	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#67
If you were asked to describe your teenage child's girlfriend or boyfriend	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#70
"A bit scrambled" is one thing...	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#73
It is not that I am sympathetic to Ms Hunt -	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#79
I think you won't find the link you're looking for	shawn703	May 2013	#89
Several people on DU made the very specific assertion	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#94
Couldn't the absence of such threads	shawn703	May 2013	#122
Actually, I am pretty sure it is quite rare	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#156
This is about sex not dating	DevilMayhem666	May 2013	#186
Welcome to DU and indeed, that it is, about sex, not "dating".	uppityperson	May 2013	#189
Always someone else's fault, right?	davidn3600	May 2013	#55
Quick! Call Chris Hansen!	backscatter712	May 2013	#83
And if it comes to it	shawn703	May 2013	#52
Nothing I've seen said they did anything	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#59
I don't see any evidence that parents of a 14 year old didn't try to control their child.	LisaL	May 2013	#60
Nothing you've seen	shawn703	May 2013	#69
All I can go by is what they have said publicly.	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#71
So would you be happier	shawn703	May 2013	#72
"I don't see why they should be explaining to anyone..."	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#78
And they should be fucking smeared for their religious bigotry.	backscatter712	May 2013	#88
According to whom?	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#91
I've seen this stated again and again,	kiva	May 2013	#150
The parents have already made statements.	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#80
It's their child, not yours. These people are following the law. They are fully within their rights	LisaL	May 2013	#96
I don't disagree with you.	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#53
I don't believe she did.	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#57
A 7th grade classmate of mine dated a Senior toward the end of the term	BuelahWitch	May 2013	#125
The problem is Kate picked up the 14 year old at night without the girls parents knowledge	dkf	May 2013	#152
right. you know so much about how the poster parents? the fuck you do.	cali	May 2013	#56
"your"	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#58
the behavior of the older child ?	roughrider101	May 2013	#137
When they are in high school,	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#155
No...they arent.	roughrider101	May 2013	#167
I'm not talking about legal interactions -	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#172
You're making the point wrong in the beginning	roughrider101	May 2013	#174
No you're accepting that the law, as it is, is how it should be.	Ms. Toad	May 2013	#175
So are all laws. You dont want subjective laws do you?	roughrider101	May 2013	#177
You really think a relationship between a senior and a freshman is unusual?	jeff47	May 2013	#76
Probably not as unusual as they should be.	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#77
Oh please.	jeff47	May 2013	#85
They are?	roughrider101	May 2013	#101
You do realize the plural of "anecdote" is not "data", right?	jeff47	May 2013	#107
Because the puritans?	roughrider101	May 2013	#131
...and this thread...	Iggo	May 2013	#74
Oh, didn't you know, Kaitlyn's a sexual predator!	backscatter712	May 2013	#82
Now there's a charming euphemism for "an adult having sex with a child".	Donald Ian Rankin	May 2013	#84
Fucking stupid is what this case is.	backscatter712	May 2013	#86
so what?	roughrider101	May 2013	#105
Good post.	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#108
Agreed. "Peer group" makes no sense.	richmwill	May 2013	#124
What denomination are the Smiths?	shawn703	May 2013	#143
Bullshit.	jeff47	May 2013	#87
I'm afraid I think you're just making stuff up.	Donald Ian Rankin	May 2013	#93
I'm afraid I think you're making stuff up.	jeff47	May 2013	#97
This would not be a crime in the majority of states???	NaturalHigh	May 2013	#100
I'm not.	jeff47	May 2013	#106
What vast majority of states? And how many years difference are we talking about in this	LisaL	May 2013	#113
Usually, the age difference is about 4 years.	jeff47	May 2013	#116
Very true. This is Florida, the most brain-damaged state in the union.	backscatter712	May 2013	#117
Romeo and Juliet laws	shawn703	May 2013	#128
Would not be a crime in most countries is a better way to put it	davidn3600	May 2013	#109
Considering a lot of people here are arguing that 18 year old aren't mature,	LisaL	May 2013	#114
Just because you're not mature, doesn't mean you won't have sex	jeff47	May 2013	#123
60% of 18 year olds have sex with 14 year olds?	shawn703	May 2013	#129
You should pay attention to a thread before replying.	jeff47	May 2013	#144
That's not how I interpreted the posts leading up to yours	shawn703	May 2013	#146
Well, apparently you need some help with reading comprehension then.	jeff47	May 2013	#148
If you haven't seen the "they're both just kids" argument	shawn703	May 2013	#151
The "they're both just kids" is not about 18-year olds being immature.	jeff47	May 2013	#179
Frankly, I don't care if people know what it is like to be 18 or not.	AnalystInParadise	May 2013	#162
What would you respond if I said	roughrider101	May 2013	#181
What?	roughrider101	May 2013	#170
When did this happen?	roughrider101	May 2013	#180
Where did you pull that stat from?	roughrider101	May 2013	#133
Seriously?	jeff47	May 2013	#145
Where in the second paragraph?	roughrider101	May 2013	#171
You have to actually follow the discussion you are trying to participate in.	jeff47	May 2013	#178
Based on this	roughrider101	May 2013	#134
Seriously? 45 states can handle different thresholds	jeff47	May 2013	#147
This message was self-deleted by its author	alp227	May 2013	#160
Read the entire 2 sentences before replying.	jeff47	May 2013	#161
Are you responding to me?	roughrider101	May 2013	#168
They were both in HIGH SCHOOL	Matariki	May 2013	#127
High school seniors dont get arrested for having relationships with freshmen	roughrider101	May 2013	#136
18 year old having sex with a 14 child is wrong. Period.	DMacTX	May 2013	#153
I believe there are degrees of wrong	cali	May 2013	#169
Ugh, social media gives people ways to meddle in other people's business.	Initech	May 2013	#158

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