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jeff47

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111. I think it's about time you realize your revulsion at this case
Mon May 27, 2013, 03:28 PM
May 2013

is counter to everything else in our culture. Which would mean we should not have expected the 18-year-old to back off - we taught her not to.

It would also indicate it's not a horrific crime where the 18-year-old's life must be permanently destroyed. Which is what that fantastic "plea deal" would do.

The whole thing stinks. If there is smoke then there is fire. I still think it has southernyankeebelle May 2013 #1
What smoke? shawn703 May 2013 #16
Wild eyed accusations from the freekate camp? I think you have it backwards. nt pnwmom May 2013 #27
Backwards? shawn703 May 2013 #42
I don't know who to believe. I am so glad its clear to you. southernyankeebelle May 2013 #45
Well usually it's harder to believe shawn703 May 2013 #48
Well I really am not following it to closely. I just hope the girl doesn't go to jail and they southernyankeebelle May 2013 #49
The "3 year age gap" & other false talking points originated w/Kate's mother alp227 May 2013 #154
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #2
I'm straight and detest the double standard. I think the arthritisR_US May 2013 #4
I don't think so. They probably wouldn't have warned the older one more than once first.... Honeycombe8 May 2013 #7
Well that's just silly shawn703 May 2013 #8
Where is the double standard? LisaL May 2013 #9
Because the 18 yr old was female, we will never know but I arthritisR_US May 2013 #13
if you're referring to Jerry Seinfeld his minor was over the age of consent magical thyme May 2013 #17
Conor Kennedy was 17 shawn703 May 2013 #18
My feeling is that the harm being done to the arthritisR_US May 2013 #19
Depends how you look at it shawn703 May 2013 #20
I agree but people are to blind to see it Drale May 2013 #176
I remember sneaking out as a teenager too so arthritisR_US May 2013 #184
You must not listen to Stern. MrSlayer May 2013 #102
I can honestly say I have never listened to him. arthritisR_US May 2013 #157
This I remember. Wasn't it on most shows being discussed? vaberella May 2013 #182
"You straights"? No shit? 11 Bravo May 2013 #6
Haha yeah shawn703 May 2013 #10
"You straights"? C'mon. nolabear May 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo May 2013 #12
Deleting as the post referring to was hidden The Straight Story May 2013 #14
When sex between two kids is referred to as "lewd & lascivious", I stop reading & dismiss pacalo May 2013 #3
The law is the law. The 18 year old was asked more than once to leave the child alone.... Honeycombe8 May 2013 #5
I'm not about to defend the sneaking out at night; it's a parent's nightmare for the reasons pacalo May 2013 #15
Are you listening to yourself? stupart74 May 2013 #38
So was Romeo. jeff47 May 2013 #90
And look how well it ended for both of them. LisaL May 2013 #95
Yeah, it's terrible that their scheme to flee their stupid parents failed. jeff47 May 2013 #98
I think it's about time to state the obvious. Romeo and Juliet are not actually people. LisaL May 2013 #104
I think it's about time you realize your revulsion at this case jeff47 May 2013 #111
How would her life be destroyed by a plea deal that included no jail time and no sex offender LisaL May 2013 #115
It's a felony conviction. jeff47 May 2013 #118
If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime. LisaL May 2013 #119
The entire point is this should not be a crime. jeff47 May 2013 #121
Go read the damn play. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #142
And her screeching Dorian Gray May 2013 #149
These are a couple girls, 3 and a half years apart, on the same team. pnwmom May 2013 #28
What? LisaL May 2013 #62
In this situation. In general, I think the age of 21 for full adulthood pnwmom May 2013 #112
Then by your logic, a 20-year-old hooking up with a 14-year-old would be okay? NaturalHigh May 2013 #130
No, a six year age difference is too much. pnwmom May 2013 #132
Except it wasn't two kids. Mr. X May 2013 #26
She's a kid. n/t pacalo May 2013 #29
Yes Mr. X May 2013 #32
One does one stop being a kid nowdays? LisaL May 2013 #63
There's multiple measurements. jeff47 May 2013 #92
Which is funny, because here is the definition of that davidpdx May 2013 #185
The laws weren't as insane when I went to high school. pacalo May 2013 #187
Agreed davidpdx May 2013 #188
And of course people indignantly deny that there's any *hint* of bias at work. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #21
except not really roughrider101 May 2013 #22
No actual stats, but I can think of worse cases than that where nothing ever happened to the guy. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #23
Do you know roughrider101 May 2013 #24
Admittedly, no. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #25
Do the laws Mr. X May 2013 #30
drug laws don't have penalties based on race dsc May 2013 #81
Yes and no Mr. X May 2013 #120
But penalties for crack are more severe than for powder cocaine KamaAina May 2013 #173
And? Mr. X May 2013 #183
So what you are saying is roughrider101 May 2013 #31
No, I'm putting my own interpretation to a somewhat ambiguous situation. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #34
a somewhat ambiguous situation? roughrider101 May 2013 #99
If you trust the word of Christian fundamentalists who think Kaitlyn "made their daughter gay" nomorenomore08 May 2013 #135
Who are Christian fundamentalists? roughrider101 May 2013 #138
Maybe we're both seeing what we want to see. That's very possible. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #139
And like many red-state Democrats shawn703 May 2013 #140
It's not likely roughrider101 May 2013 #141
Yes. Ms. Toad May 2013 #33
at my high school, one of the girls in my class was having a relationship with a teacher, HiPointDem May 2013 #35
That's factually incorrect... Chan790 May 2013 #61
Actually, the plea deal offered included no jail time. NaturalHigh May 2013 #65
can you provide a link? because almost every article I've seen magical thyme May 2013 #110
The net was designed to catch 18 year old boys. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #66
+1 JVS May 2013 #165
This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 May 2013 #36
FYI...one blogger leading this charge about all this being a lie is a known far-right winger davidn3600 May 2013 #37
So here's an easy one then shawn703 May 2013 #41
Yeah, he got caught red-handed on that one. NaturalHigh May 2013 #103
I'm not sure it is that easy. CincyDem May 2013 #126
Very true, Dave, very true. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #164
So what is your explanation shawn703 May 2013 #166
Not only bloggers, but many members of DU have as well davidpdx May 2013 #39
18 and 14 is not child molestation...especially when it was just turned 18 and almost 15. alphafemale May 2013 #40
It's not like Kate wasn't warned shawn703 May 2013 #43
According to the Smiths RockaFowler May 2013 #44
According to the younger girl's family... NaturalHigh May 2013 #46
Never mind the fact that that is the only station--the only reporter even, that they will talk ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #68
WTF should they talk to the press at all, unless they want to? LisaL May 2013 #75
How well did you listen to your parents when they told you to stay away from someone? we can do it May 2013 #159
I've never been in a position shawn703 May 2013 #163
She didn't "just" turn 18. LisaL May 2013 #64
When my daughter was 14... NaturalHigh May 2013 #47
How about parenting your child instead. Ms. Toad May 2013 #50
You obviously have no clue on teenagers. itsrobert May 2013 #51
Ms. Hunt is not a predator. Ms. Toad May 2013 #54
I'm not so sure that she's not a predator. NaturalHigh May 2013 #67
If you were asked to describe your teenage child's girlfriend or boyfriend Ms. Toad May 2013 #70
"A bit scrambled" is one thing... NaturalHigh May 2013 #73
It is not that I am sympathetic to Ms Hunt - Ms. Toad May 2013 #79
I think you won't find the link you're looking for shawn703 May 2013 #89
Several people on DU made the very specific assertion Ms. Toad May 2013 #94
Couldn't the absence of such threads shawn703 May 2013 #122
Actually, I am pretty sure it is quite rare Ms. Toad May 2013 #156
This is about sex not dating DevilMayhem666 May 2013 #186
Welcome to DU and indeed, that it is, about sex, not "dating". uppityperson May 2013 #189
Always someone else's fault, right? davidn3600 May 2013 #55
Quick! Call Chris Hansen! backscatter712 May 2013 #83
And if it comes to it shawn703 May 2013 #52
Nothing I've seen said they did anything Ms. Toad May 2013 #59
I don't see any evidence that parents of a 14 year old didn't try to control their child. LisaL May 2013 #60
Nothing you've seen shawn703 May 2013 #69
All I can go by is what they have said publicly. Ms. Toad May 2013 #71
So would you be happier shawn703 May 2013 #72
"I don't see why they should be explaining to anyone..." NaturalHigh May 2013 #78
And they should be fucking smeared for their religious bigotry. backscatter712 May 2013 #88
According to whom? NaturalHigh May 2013 #91
I've seen this stated again and again, kiva May 2013 #150
The parents have already made statements. Ms. Toad May 2013 #80
It's their child, not yours. These people are following the law. They are fully within their rights LisaL May 2013 #96
I don't disagree with you. NaturalHigh May 2013 #53
I don't believe she did. Ms. Toad May 2013 #57
A 7th grade classmate of mine dated a Senior toward the end of the term BuelahWitch May 2013 #125
The problem is Kate picked up the 14 year old at night without the girls parents knowledge dkf May 2013 #152
right. you know so much about how the poster parents? the fuck you do. cali May 2013 #56
"your" Ms. Toad May 2013 #58
the behavior of the older child ? roughrider101 May 2013 #137
When they are in high school, Ms. Toad May 2013 #155
No...they arent. roughrider101 May 2013 #167
I'm not talking about legal interactions - Ms. Toad May 2013 #172
You're making the point wrong in the beginning roughrider101 May 2013 #174
No you're accepting that the law, as it is, is how it should be. Ms. Toad May 2013 #175
So are all laws. You dont want subjective laws do you? roughrider101 May 2013 #177
You really think a relationship between a senior and a freshman is unusual? jeff47 May 2013 #76
Probably not as unusual as they should be. NaturalHigh May 2013 #77
Oh please. jeff47 May 2013 #85
They are? roughrider101 May 2013 #101
You do realize the plural of "anecdote" is not "data", right? jeff47 May 2013 #107
Because the puritans? roughrider101 May 2013 #131
...and this thread... Iggo May 2013 #74
Oh, didn't you know, Kaitlyn's a sexual predator! backscatter712 May 2013 #82
Now there's a charming euphemism for "an adult having sex with a child". Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #84
Fucking stupid is what this case is. backscatter712 May 2013 #86
so what? roughrider101 May 2013 #105
Good post. NaturalHigh May 2013 #108
Agreed. "Peer group" makes no sense. richmwill May 2013 #124
What denomination are the Smiths? shawn703 May 2013 #143
Bullshit. jeff47 May 2013 #87
I'm afraid I think you're just making stuff up. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #93
I'm afraid I think you're making stuff up. jeff47 May 2013 #97
This would not be a crime in the majority of states??? NaturalHigh May 2013 #100
I'm not. jeff47 May 2013 #106
What vast majority of states? And how many years difference are we talking about in this LisaL May 2013 #113
Usually, the age difference is about 4 years. jeff47 May 2013 #116
Very true. This is Florida, the most brain-damaged state in the union. backscatter712 May 2013 #117
Romeo and Juliet laws shawn703 May 2013 #128
Would not be a crime in most countries is a better way to put it davidn3600 May 2013 #109
Considering a lot of people here are arguing that 18 year old aren't mature, LisaL May 2013 #114
Just because you're not mature, doesn't mean you won't have sex jeff47 May 2013 #123
60% of 18 year olds have sex with 14 year olds? shawn703 May 2013 #129
You should pay attention to a thread before replying. jeff47 May 2013 #144
That's not how I interpreted the posts leading up to yours shawn703 May 2013 #146
Well, apparently you need some help with reading comprehension then. jeff47 May 2013 #148
If you haven't seen the "they're both just kids" argument shawn703 May 2013 #151
The "they're both just kids" is not about 18-year olds being immature. jeff47 May 2013 #179
Frankly, I don't care if people know what it is like to be 18 or not. AnalystInParadise May 2013 #162
What would you respond if I said roughrider101 May 2013 #181
What? roughrider101 May 2013 #170
When did this happen? roughrider101 May 2013 #180
Where did you pull that stat from? roughrider101 May 2013 #133
Seriously? jeff47 May 2013 #145
Where in the second paragraph? roughrider101 May 2013 #171
You have to actually follow the discussion you are trying to participate in. jeff47 May 2013 #178
Based on this roughrider101 May 2013 #134
Seriously? 45 states can handle different thresholds jeff47 May 2013 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author alp227 May 2013 #160
Read the entire 2 sentences before replying. jeff47 May 2013 #161
Are you responding to me? roughrider101 May 2013 #168
They were both in HIGH SCHOOL Matariki May 2013 #127
High school seniors dont get arrested for having relationships with freshmen roughrider101 May 2013 #136
18 year old having sex with a 14 child is wrong. Period. DMacTX May 2013 #153
I believe there are degrees of wrong cali May 2013 #169
Ugh, social media gives people ways to meddle in other people's business. Initech May 2013 #158
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