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Nye Bevan

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Tue May 28, 2013, 10:11 AM May 2013

To the Horror of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here [View all]

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Around 1250 A.D., historical records show, ice packs began showing up farther south in the North Atlantic. Glaciers also began expanding on Greenland, soon to threaten Norse settlements on the island. From 1275 to 1300 A.D., glaciers began expanding more broadly, according to radiocarbon dating of plants killed by the glacier growth. The period known today as the Little Ice Age was just starting to poke through.

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The Little Ice Age, following the historically warm temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about AD 950 to 1250, has been attributed to natural cycles in solar activity, particularly sunspots. A period of sharply lower sunspot activity known as the Wolf Minimum began in 1280 and persisted for 70 years until 1350. That was followed by a period of even lower sunspot activity that lasted 90 years from 1460 to 1550 known as the Sporer Minimum. During the period 1645 to 1715, the low point of the Little Ice Age, the number of sunspots declined to zero for the entire time. This is known as the Maunder Minimum, named after English astronomer Walter Maunder. That was followed by the Dalton Minimum from 1790 to 1830, another period of well below normal sunspot activity.

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At first the current stall out of global warming was due to the ocean cycles turning back to cold. But something much more ominous has developed over this period. Sunspots run in 11 year short term cycles, with longer cyclical trends of 90 and even 200 years. The number of sunspots declined substantially in the last 11 year cycle, after flattening out over the previous 20 years. But in the current cycle, sunspot activity has collapsed. NASA’s Science News report for January 8, 2013 states, “Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 [the current short term 11 year cycle] is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion.”

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Faith in Global Warming is collapsing in formerly staunch Europe following increasingly severe winters which have now started continuing into spring. Christopher Booker explained in The Sunday Telegraph on April 27, 2013, "Here in Britain, where we had our fifth freezing winter in a row, the Central England Temperature record – according to an expert analysis on the US science blog Watts Up With That – shows that in this century, average winter temperatures have dropped by 1.45C, more than twice as much as their rise between 1850 and 1999, and twice as much as the entire net rise in global temperatures recorded in the 20th century.”


http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/2/





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What a relief. I was really concerned about global warming, now I can relax. NYC_SKP May 2013 #1
ROFL hootinholler May 2013 #19
Because satellite data can't be manipulated? NYC_SKP May 2013 #62
"Observable Reality?" Like that the sun moves across the sky? stevenleser May 2013 #50
Isn't this why its been referred to as Global *Climate Change* for years, rather than Marr May 2013 #2
The polar ice melt has affected ocean currents and the jet stream. ananda May 2013 #11
"In the first decade since 2000, Alaska cooled 2.4 degrees Fahrenheit." Nye Bevan May 2013 #13
Peter Ferrara is Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy at the Heartland Institute, Kolesar May 2013 #3
ya there`s some real intelligent life forms.... madrchsod May 2013 #51
Another RW conspiracy theory! CJCRANE May 2013 #4
My head hurts.... Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #5
polar bears are going extinct and people still wonder if it is getting warmer? liberal_at_heart May 2013 #25
Exactly! Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #27
Your logic is not like our earth logic. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #70
"Does anyone really understand what is going on, I wonder?" bemildred May 2013 #32
Yes! I too worry about the methane. Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #33
I know things are strange where I live, I don't pretend to know why. bemildred May 2013 #39
And that is very depressing to consider. n/t Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #45
Let me get you really depressed. bemildred May 2013 #49
ice from the arctic region used to come down in all directions klyon May 2013 #63
do you agree with this? Viking12 May 2013 #6
I try to keep an open mind. Nye Bevan May 2013 #9
So do these guys... LanternWaste May 2013 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author tjwash May 2013 #57
The worlds climate is constantly changing. NCTraveler May 2013 #7
The Denialist echo chamber at work mn9driver May 2013 #8
How did the denialists get to NASA's Science News? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #10
I suspect they got a ringer in order to get some sort of "scientific" street cred. ananda May 2013 #12
Why do you think Science News is denialist? mn9driver May 2013 #28
Why are you bringing NASA into this? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #60
"Watts Up With That" is a climate denier site. immoderate May 2013 #14
As you can see, there has been no significant global cooling since the turn of the century. dawg May 2013 #15
Ooooo, a Forbes OP-Ed by an economist with a history of climate science denial hootinholler May 2013 #16
NOAA says "But the jury is still out on how much sunspots can (or do) affect the Earth's climate" Viva_La_Revolution May 2013 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author dawg May 2013 #18
" . . . expert analysis on US science blog Watts Up With That . . . " hatrack May 2013 #20
Let's keep dumping that CO2 into the atmosphere Progressive dog May 2013 #21
Gee, no agenda there... GliderGuider May 2013 #22
Peter Ferrara is a fucking moron who only goes on the Thomm Hartman show so he can yell and call Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #23
Does this mean that sometimes it's cooler, other times warmer? Like, cyclical? With the cycle bike man May 2013 #24
That has been my understanding loyalsister May 2013 #54
The last european winter was actually too warm, followed by a too cold, rainy spring. DetlefK May 2013 #26
Posting heartland propaganda should be a bannable offense. Democracyinkind May 2013 #29
I agree, but a jury let this horseshit stand 3-3. nt Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #31
As an academic, would you expel a student for saying something against the conventional wisdom? Nye Bevan May 2013 #35
No. Democracyinkind May 2013 #36
Depends upon the idiocy. I had a student use the term "Liberal Media" and I promptly WinkyDink May 2013 #37
As if anyone was ever expelled for such stuff... Democracyinkind May 2013 #40
Someone that goes against an overwhelming majority of the scientific community deserves... Pragdem May 2013 #41
If they cited evidence from a phrenology blog, or a Ptolemaic "astronomer", or Alex Jones . . . . hatrack May 2013 #42
Forbes isn't a classroom-- it's a media outlet. Marr May 2013 #44
That's the problem Blue_Tires May 2013 #47
It's called "CLIMATE CHANGE." But hey: There's some Jersey shore places you could buy. WinkyDink May 2013 #30
As a person that suffers from excessive sweating, I would embrace some global cooling. nt Pragdem May 2013 #38
Since when did Forbes become a legit science publication? supernova May 2013 #43
If the sunspot activity is playing a role and is decreasing, great! raouldukelives May 2013 #46
Lost me at "Global Warming Alarmists" n/t Matariki May 2013 #48
+1 leftstreet May 2013 #52
Yup. nt City Lights May 2013 #55
And you shall know them by what they post. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #53
Bingo! n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #65
could the conveyor belt be broken due to lovuian May 2013 #56
Heh - a forbes op-ed piece presented as scientific evidence. tjwash May 2013 #58
"Faith in Global Warming"... I think that say it all. Screw the science, let's talk about faith. Buzz Clik May 2013 #59
Isn't Ferrara paid by the Koch bros to write articles casting doubt on established climate science? limpyhobbler May 2013 #61
So it was cold in winter in europe ergo Al Gore is full of shit? truebrit71 May 2013 #64
"The Met Office has downgraded its forecast for global warming....." Nye Bevan May 2013 #69
Has this in anyway been looked at by real scientists? No klyon May 2013 #66
Some actual stats drawn from actual data Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #67
I stopped taking this seriously when I got to "global warming alarmists." Apophis May 2013 #68
Locking cyberswede May 2013 #71
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