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In reply to the discussion: Fox learned about the subpoena nearly three years ago (updated) [View all]dumbcat
(2,161 posts)85. Thank you for that cite. But
That section of the US Code does not pertain to anything to do with the case at hand. It pertains to espionage of National Defense information, and mostly code and crypto systems (the field in which I used to work.) The Rosen case pertains to the State Dept.
(a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting
the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the
information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to
the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over,
or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft,
work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling
station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad,
arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or
signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or
other place connected with the national defense owned or
constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or
under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers,
departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of
the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft,
arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time
of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the
subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement
with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or
with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on
behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated
by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of
national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy,
or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored,
information as to which prohibited place the President has
determined would be prejudicial to the national defense;
the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the
information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to
the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over,
or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft,
work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling
station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad,
arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or
signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or
other place connected with the national defense owned or
constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or
under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers,
departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of
the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft,
arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time
of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the
subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement
with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or
with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on
behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated
by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of
national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy,
or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored,
information as to which prohibited place the President has
determined would be prejudicial to the national defense;
"There are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of persons doing time in federal prisons for conspiring, or aiding and abetting, crimes they did not themselves commit."
While prosecutions appear to be on the rise, leaks of classified information to the press have relatively infrequently been punished as crimes, and we are aware of no case in which a publisher of information obtained through unauthorized disclosure by a government employee has been prosecuted for publishing it."[4] The legislative and executive branches of government, including US presidents, have frequently leaked classified information to journalists.[5][6][7][8] Congress has repeatedly resisted or failed to pass a law that generally outlaws disclosing classified information. Most espionage law only criminalizes national defense information; only a jury can decide if a given document meets that criteria, and judges have repeatedly said that being "classified" does not necessarily make information become related to the "national defense".[9][10] Furthermore, by law, information may not be classified merely because it would be embarrassing or to cover illegal activity; information may only be classified to protect national security objectives.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/R41404.pdf
But thank you for taking the time to try.
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You mean to say that Fox learned of something recently? Ha ha ha!! I doubt it.
Major Hogwash
May 2013
#2
Of course it's delayed-timing outrage. They were timing their outrage for ScandalMania™
JaneyVee
May 2013
#3
Shouldn't that be "FOX learned about the search warrant nearly three years ago"?
George Gently
May 2013
#7
Apology. CNN is reporting that FOX recently learned about the search warrant
George Gently
May 2013
#8
CONFIRMED: Obama government is waging an unprecedented, dangerous war on press freedom.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#10
Fox lies all the time. That doesn't mean the government should be snoop-reading Fox's emails.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#12
not what I heard. I heard the DOJ went to a magistrate and said Mr. Rosen might have conspired to
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#14
Mr. Rosen commited no crime. You keep implying he did something illegal. nt
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#18
Soliciting classified information from government employees is not a crime.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#21
I can't tell whether you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or just confused yourself.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#23
You probably think it is illegal for a reporter to ask a government employee for classified info.
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#27
There is no "crime of soliciting classified information". You just made that crime up. nt
limpyhobbler
May 2013
#30
Do you have a cite for that? US Code? I had a TS clearance for many years and learned
dumbcat
May 2013
#75
Yes it is, and I expect Rosen to indicted any day now, any time now ... pretty soon ...
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#38
Sure, they always accuse reporters of being co-conspitators in order to obtain search warrants
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#41
The judges *did* object to the part of the affidavit that asked to hide it from the news
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#48
LOL! Isn't the actual POINT that they don't "always accuse reporters of being co-conspirators . . .
George Gently
May 2013
#45
New flash for you. DOJ rules *require* it in the case of reporters and news organizations.
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#47
Absolutely wrong. The judges refused the *no notice* TWICE. They had to go to a third judge to
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#51
No, seriously. I wanted the rest of DU to be able to read and judge for themselves who offered
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#55
You are so mis-informed it is scary. *Any* delay in notification causes harm to the ideal
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#54
DOJ rules *require* it in the case of a news organization or reporter. What part of this don't you
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#60
DOJ Rules require quite a bit in reference to news media. But you already knew that, right?
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#65
No, it's you that are confused. A subpoena *was* issued for his phone records subsequent to the
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#69
Wow, your ignorance of facts is stunning. Even in the face of evidence to the
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#71
I already showed that a subpoena was issued for his phone records subsequent to the approval
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#73
That you continue to evade the fact that a subpoena *was* issued for his phone records subsequent
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#78
There are opportunists here who will champion FOX, repeat GOP talking points
emulatorloo
May 2013
#88
Yep and as far as I'm concerned championing Fox is fucking blatantly rooting for
DevonRex
May 2013
#89
THANK YOU VERY MUCH Prosense for your FACT BASED analysis. What detractors come back with is opinion
uponit7771
May 2013
#80
Have we been reading the same thread? Show me where I have *not* documented what I've been
SlimJimmy
May 2013
#87