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wercal

(1,370 posts)
42. Where do I start
Tue May 28, 2013, 04:03 PM
May 2013

"What I recounted REALLY happened"

Actually I didn't want to mention it before, but that is not entirely true. Your statement: "Zimmerman left his vehicle, against the instructions of 911 personnel" is not true. If you listen to the tapes, the operator asks him if he is following Martin, and tells him not to ("you don't need to do that&quot . So its not true that he was admonished from leaving the vehicle, and he violated that order. I hope we can agree on that, ok? The only open question is whether or not Zimmerman continued to pursue Martin...and there are no witnesses to that, other than Zimmerman.

And "and tapes indicate he was a racist" will have to be backed up with an actual quote from the tapes...as I suspect you are referring to the edited version used by the media, while the original recording is far less damning. So I believe that to be an innaccurate statement as well.

On to whether or not he followed other people in the past...black, white whatever. Zimmerman's history of being a nosey busy body who called 911 at the drop of a hat is going to work in his favor, as far as a 2nd degree murder charge is concerned - not the other way around. If the defense can establish that he has indeed followed other people in the past, without a homocide, the litmus test for gross negligence is blown out of the water.

Your final paragraph presumes that Zimmerman has gone through some sort of formal neighborhood watch training...and his violation of that training establishes willful negligence. However, the general concensus is that he was not part of an official watch program, and I have never read that he had any training. As screwed up as it sounds, this works in his favor.

I believe that if this had been a manslaughter charge, the defense would have been sufficiently spooked enough to seek a plea deal, Zimmerman may have spent 15 years in prison, and there never would have been a trial. However, now that they are going all in on a 2nd degree murder charge, the state is very much at risk of not winning...and Zimmerman goes free.

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Excellent! nt MrScorpio May 2013 #1
Makes me hopeful then JustAnotherGen May 2013 #2
Awesome news. Starry Messenger May 2013 #3
That's the appropriate ruling. JimDandy May 2013 #4
You think they've leaked all they had? customerserviceguy May 2013 #7
1. You are ASSuming, "there's way more"; 2. Appeal?! On what grounds?! NONE of this "leak" is WinkyDink May 2013 #12
Sounds like Customerserviceguy is saying the defense it trying to cover all its bases. freedom fighter jh May 2013 #14
You did customerserviceguy May 2013 #50
What I think is that JimDandy May 2013 #22
Wow.. Pelican May 2013 #52
Why? Judges often issue gag orders JimDandy May 2013 #54
Not true. In fact the Zimmerman JimDandy Jun 2013 #55
That is wonderful Bettie May 2013 #5
That's great and all, but they leaked all that crap to the local media already and the winterpark May 2013 #6
This reality is the sinking feeling in the pit of my arthritisR_US May 2013 #11
The prosecution has a good case JimDandy May 2013 #24
Same was said about Casey Anthony davidn3600 May 2013 #48
Very different cases. JimDandy May 2013 #53
So if the circumstances had been switched tavernier May 2013 #33
I'm a Floridian. I can crack on Florida. n/t winterpark May 2013 #34
excellent. Whisp May 2013 #8
Good malaise May 2013 #9
The AP story is very vague wercal May 2013 #10
Anybody with a BRAIN knows that marijuana doesn't make a person violent! And the prosecutors have WinkyDink May 2013 #13
Well I don't think the prosecution would ever bring it up. wercal May 2013 #21
Maybe they'll show the movie Reefer Madness also. uppityperson May 2013 #25
Zimmerman and every reasonable JimDandy May 2013 #36
Really wercal May 2013 #38
You have a *what if...* JimDandy May 2013 #39
Where do I start wercal May 2013 #42
Thinking about what you wrote... JimDandy May 2013 #46
I meant in prosecutorial rebuttal! WinkyDink May 2013 #37
That only explains why he went out for those Skittles Warpy May 2013 #20
That's good, but I still have a bad feeling about this one. catbyte May 2013 #15
Zimmerman's lawyers will use every filthy trick in the book Warpy May 2013 #19
I am disappointed that you would disparage the defense. Not an attitude I expect rhett o rick May 2013 #47
I respect the defense when they earn it Warpy May 2013 #49
Good treestar May 2013 #16
That's what I was hoping the judge would say Warpy May 2013 #17
Good libodem May 2013 #18
and Zim's daddy, the former judge defacto7 May 2013 #32
Exactly libodem May 2013 #40
+1,000. If any laundry comes out, put it all out. But I'm betting neither will be permitted. freshwest May 2013 #43
Of course, what does his marijuana use have to do with anything? Quixote1818 May 2013 #23
Good! I couldn't believe what I was hearing re bringing all of this stuff in. Yay Judge! nt. polly7 May 2013 #26
I suppose I'm going to be the odd man out here. Savannahmann May 2013 #27
Great ruling CincyDem May 2013 #28
their plan was to poison the jury pool with info they knew would not be admissible in court ZRT2209 May 2013 #29
With Fox Noise playing the same tune in the background, jury selection will be hard. freshwest May 2013 #44
Finally...That's all I've been trying to say from the start... Blue_Tires May 2013 #30
Good. Terra Alta May 2013 #31
I don't think they ever intended it to be used at trial -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #35
Yeap, the victim wasn't perfect so they deserved to die defense...it's overtly stupid uponit7771 May 2013 #41
Thank Goodness.. because it really is irrelevant to this Cha May 2013 #45
It's all about poisoning the jury pool. Atman May 2013 #51
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