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AtheistCrusader

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56. This is about the legal understanding of CONSENT.

Tue May 28, 2013, 03:29 PM

May 2013

Sex is a side issue. Consent laws (to contract, etc) are protections for children against predatory corporations. JUST SIGN HERE, free money, no obligations!*

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The inclusion of sexual contact in consent protections also covers against various predators.

Most of the examples in the OP can be covered by things like emancipation, a legal process where a minor can 'go live' before society normally recognizes a minor's full set of rights and responsibilities.

I agree that the two people in the case in question should be evaluated IN CONTEXT. That said, the parents also had a legal duty to report it to the police. As did the teacher that discovered it. These are automatic legal processes. Sucks, but a jury will likely dismiss/nullify that case.

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These posts about "Minors" pissed me off [View all] HockeyMom May 2013 OP

Parents have a duty to protect their children. Letting your 14 year old get fucked isn't... JVS May 2013 #1

Yeah, abstinence ONLY! The choice of informed progressives everywhere! Taverner May 2013 #21

Nice strawman. JVS May 2013 #35

How is sticking with the discussion a "strawman"? Matariki May 2013 #106

Look up strawman. JVS May 2013 #113

No, the point is that some 14 year olds will have sex Matariki May 2013 #125

Still a strawman. It addresses a statement I didn't make. And your point sucks. JVS May 2013 #126

Perhaps the age of consent should be birth FrodosPet May 2013 #38

Yes, but as you see in these threads, people don't want it LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #128

Abstinance only does ignore the reality of teen behavior FrodosPet May 2013 #129

I agree completely n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #130

If that's the standard, then a lot of parents are failing justiceischeap May 2013 #68

A lot of parents suck. That's no surprise. JVS May 2013 #93

Spoken like a teenager. You have no adolescent children I presume? nt Ed Suspicious May 2013 #102

No, I don't have any adolescent children or children of any kind justiceischeap May 2013 #110

It's amazing the transformation one's attitude makes when one is tasked with bringing a few little Ed Suspicious May 2013 #111

I'd like to think my parents brought me up right justiceischeap May 2013 #112

The answer that always bugs me is "well its the law" Drale May 2013 #2

yea really who needs laws let's just let everyone do what they "feel" is right or what "makes sense" leftyohiolib May 2013 #11

Yeah, those pesky laws are really just guidelines ... oldhippie May 2013 #34

Or a nation who drives an average of 3.5 miles over the posted speed-limit... LanternWaste May 2013 #57

Yep...sex with a 14 year old is just like speeding. zeemike May 2013 #62

Really? And you can speak to the mental health of children, can you? WinkyDink May 2013 #45

As someone who went through the mental health system Drale May 2013 #50

This is about the legal understanding of CONSENT. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #56

The Basketball Coach Sought Out The Younger Girls Parents DallasNE May 2013 #72

That's not the OP's point, and your line of question is not germane to the general consent idea. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #86

Here Are A Couple Of Official Reports DallasNE May 2013 #88

The affadavit is unclear if there was one or two AtheistCrusader May 2013 #89

When my son was fifteen he was sought out by a company truedelphi May 2013 #3

That NYC corporation didn't ask my PARENTS Permission HockeyMom May 2013 #6

Frankly, the answer is YES. SORRY it's not YOUR answer. WinkyDink May 2013 #46

Uh, under the law currently, yes. Yo_Mama May 2013 #115

Ah, poor middle-class Americans. HERVEPA May 2013 #40

justice is justice is justice. truedelphi May 2013 #55

Illegal immigration is way down, by the way. HERVEPA May 2013 #87

You do realize my original statement was not an attack on truedelphi May 2013 #134

I went to work at 14, got a special work permit from the state. DiverDave May 2013 #132

When your daughters were 14, did you let them go sleepover with their boyfriends? msanthrope May 2013 #4

My older daughter was a lesbian HockeyMom May 2013 #16

if she wasnt gay would you let your 14 year old child have sex with an 18 yeaR old man leftyohiolib May 2013 #32

that's what i thought the response would be leftyohiolib May 2013 #84

At 14? nt msanthrope May 2013 #39

Why does that surprise you? markpkessinger May 2013 #127

I think you misapprehend my question. msanthrope May 2013 #133

The 14 Year Old Ran Away From Home DallasNE May 2013 #75

Just because you graduated from HS doesn't mean you are mature enough rl6214 May 2013 #5

I didn't turn 18 until 6 months after HS HockeyMom May 2013 #12

So you wait until you are 18 to move out rl6214 May 2013 #19

I did get an apartment at 17 HockeyMom May 2013 #24

Where did I say they can't hire you? rl6214 May 2013 #30

Stop the repetitiveness. WE GET IT. IN 1966 YOU GOT HIRED, AND YOUR PARENTS HAD NO SAY. WinkyDink May 2013 #48

i don't understand what your story has to do with the 14-year-old in this case. HiPointDem May 2013 #83

I'm 63. Guess what? Times have changed. That company TODAY would be in big trouble. WinkyDink May 2013 #47

today it's a nonissue b/c workers comp and elehhhhna May 2013 #66

Hear, hear! HappyMe May 2013 #7

well, this is rather silly. cali May 2013 #8

thank-you - the hypocritical nonsense that sometimes goes on on this board is blinding leftyohiolib May 2013 #17

Ya ain't gonna change em if you wait till they are teens to try. L0oniX May 2013 #9

17? Mr. X May 2013 #10

Did they move out when they were 14? The Link May 2013 #13

Unless a teen has been emancipated demwing May 2013 #14

Why should a 17 year old HS Grad HockeyMom May 2013 #18

Let your 17 year old cause a serious accident, Throckmorton May 2013 #25

Living in Manhattan I didn't drive HockeyMom May 2013 #119

OK, I wasn't aware that auto accidents were the only ones a minor could be sued for. Throckmorton May 2013 #124

I had to have parental permission to join the Navy at 17 FrodosPet May 2013 #42

Apparently so HockeyMom May 2013 #120

We have gone backwards in time. truedelphi May 2013 #54

Do you realise how absurd this sounds? wercal May 2013 #81

Our 17 year old older daughter enlisting in the Military HockeyMom May 2013 #82

It's not about "ultimate control", it's about providing a safe environment for children to become Ed Suspicious May 2013 #104

Well, it's the law NY that they do Yo_Mama May 2013 #117

So after I, or my daughter, graduated HS at 17 HockeyMom May 2013 #20

why are you so angry? demwing May 2013 #22

Yes, you do. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #58

How do you decide which words to make all caps? dems_rightnow May 2013 #15

... Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #37

A 14 year old is not 17. bravenak May 2013 #23

Emancipated = Court HockeyMom May 2013 #27

Without emancipation you are still in the custody of your parents or legal guardian. bravenak May 2013 #33

How about a 17 year old and a 20 year old? HockeyMom May 2013 #60

17 year olds are able to legally consent. bravenak May 2013 #76

Age Of Consent Varies By State DallasNE May 2013 #92

Nebraska is 17 tammywammy May 2013 #96

MY Bad DallasNE May 2013 #118

17 is the age of consent in texas arely staircase May 2013 #85

Fuck, I know a 61 year old still living with his parents. Fuddnik May 2013 #63

Not all 17 year olds are the same. Wait Wut May 2013 #26

I didn't ask my parents permission for anything HockeyMom May 2013 #29

It bugs you that your kids ask your opinios and talk to you about their life??? HERVEPA May 2013 #41

I didn't know how to read that. Wait Wut May 2013 #43

Yeh. My kids also. Doesn't mean they always take it, but do value my opinion. HERVEPA May 2013 #49

Wow, I hope I don't bother my mother... a la izquierda May 2013 #135

My dad hired his 16 yr. old brother for his construction biz loyalsister May 2013 #28

I raised to children, a boy and a girl. Skidmore May 2013 #31

Sorry but not everything is about your experiences. randome May 2013 #36

Wow. Why this rant about " PARENTAL CONTROL"? I've seen only threads about the LAW. WinkyDink May 2013 #44

is adolescense a concept ? olddots May 2013 #51

Yeah, I'm not sure how you judge maturity, but apart from very low functioning individuals, 10 year Ed Suspicious May 2013 #108

Well people who get pissed off, piss me off demwing May 2013 #52

Wow, no words! You don't get it! n-t Logical May 2013 #53

Agreed. Sadly many parents are the Kyle's mom types LittleBlue May 2013 #59

Thank you HockeyMom May 2013 #64

Good point LittleBlue May 2013 #73

You sure do get pissed off a lot. Sissyk May 2013 #61

It isn't 1967 anymore Motown_Johnny May 2013 #65

Seriously. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #69

I wouldn't go that far. Motown_Johnny May 2013 #70

And that's not a good thing. jeff47 May 2013 #74

My younger daughter was 17 years old 12 year ago HockeyMom May 2013 #79

I can only imagine how you feel about pit bull threads LostOne4Ever May 2013 #67

My point is the difference between 17 and 18 HockeyMom May 2013 #80

You really seem to be missing the point on the age issue. As children age, we as parents loosen the Ed Suspicious May 2013 #109

Yep, it's a control issue LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #71

Fortunately, as a righteous champion of public decency I know what's morally best for everyone. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #77

I don't get what all the offended parties are on about either, on this issue enki23 May 2013 #78

... Iggo May 2013 #90

I'm the father of two daughters aged 28 and 31 olddots May 2013 #91

Perhaps the numbers come into play here. SOME, but not all, minors can succeed/survive/thrive on bike man May 2013 #94

So you're saying the 18 year old should be treated as any other adult muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #95

Minor status exists to protect children One_Life_To_Give May 2013 #97

Yes, but after graduation, those laws don't apply HockeyMom May 2013 #99

But you can't operate machinery One_Life_To_Give May 2013 #100

Article about Florida's 2007 Romeo and Juliet Law HockeyMom May 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2013 #103

Then with that 4 year difference HockeyMom May 2013 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2013 #122

After a long hard day in the mines, working hard and risking their lives... Silent3 May 2013 #101

Completely wrong. Zoeisright May 2013 #105

This might just be the most absurd thread I have read all month! Marrah_G May 2013 #107

Every time I see this thread-title I think of Galaxy Quest: kentauros May 2013 #114

DU, as a whole, suffers from an extreme case of borderline personality disorder. Jamastiene May 2013 #116

Precisely why statutory rape laws Ms. Toad May 2013 #123

You got to raise your kids your way, I get to raise mine my way. GreenEyedLefty May 2013 #131