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99th_Monkey

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Wed May 29, 2013, 02:33 PM May 2013

‘Trigger-happy’ cops shoot 72-year-old Texas man dead inside his own garage [View all]

The officers in this case who shot the 72-year-old man were relative rookies. The man they shot was armed with a handgun, which the officers claim they told him to drop, and then (they claim) that since he didn't immediately drop the gun, they felt obliged to immediately gunned him down with 6 rounds. The cops were "just following policies and procedures" they claim.

I have two reactions to this:
1) How many of these cases, where citizens are on their own property minding their own lawful business, when police show up and all of a sudden someone gets murdered on their own property for no fucking reason. This happened to an elderly black man in NY 9-10 months ago, where the police came on a "welfare check", the homeowner told officers he was fine (through the closed door) and that the cops could leave now; but instead the cops break down his door and murder him in cold blood. This case in Texas is different in some obvious ways, yet it is also the same in too many ways for my comfort.

2) To all you gun-owners out there, this should be a warning that cops most likely WILL assume that any Joe Blow carrying a gun (even on their own property) is a "threat" to their safety, and will shoot and ask questions later. One more reason I DON"T own a gun, so as to not provoke a cop (or anyone else) to kill me because they're afraid I'm going to shoot them, because I "have a gun".

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‘Trigger-happy’ cops shoot 72-year-old Texas man dead inside his own garage
By Arturo Garcia * Raw Story
Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:12 EDT

The widow of a 72-year-old Texas man is searching for answers after Fort Worth police shot and killed him on Tuesday while responding to a burglary call involving a house across the street.

“Married 46 years, and, you know, somebody gets a little trigger-happy and away they go,” Kathy Waller said to WFAA-TV on Tuesday after her husband, Jerry Waller, was shot inside the couple’s garage.

Kathy Waller told KHOU the couple noticed police in their Fort Worth neighborhood just after 1 a.m. Tuesday morning. Her husband grabbed his .38-caliber handgun and went downstairs to see what was happening. She said to the station she heard six gunshots afer he opened the garage door.

The Dallas News reported on Tuesday that authorities said in a statement that the two officers were “engaged by an adult male armed with a handgun” and shot him in fear for their safety. Jerry Waller was pronounced dead at the scene.

“I was told by an officer he wouldn’t put his gun down,” former city council member Becky Haskin told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Haskin lives in the same neighborhood as the victim.

The Star-Telegram also reported that the two unidentified officers involved in the shooting have been with the department for less than a year. They have both been placed on administrative leave. A department spokesperson, Cpl. Tracey Knight, also promised to conduct a transparent investigation of the shooting while explaining the officers’ presence in the Wallers’ home.

“Policies and procedures were followed,” Knight told the Star-Telegram. “Officers are taught when they go to a call to survey the entire landscape and not just the small area of where the call is.”

MORE: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/29/trigger-happy-cops-shoot-72-year-old-texas-man-dead-inside-his-own-garage/

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'Trigger-Happy', Sir, May Be Working Both Ways Here The Magistrate May 2013 #1
I hear you. I had the same thought. ~nt 99th_Monkey May 2013 #8
A Surprising Number Of People, Sir, Think Owning A Gun Makes Them Some Kind Of Junior Peace-Man The Magistrate May 2013 #11
+9999999... stevenleser May 2013 #13
but, but ... 99th_Monkey May 2013 #14
I have a tennis racquet. I'm not going to jump on the court at Wimbledon to try to help Djokovic stevenleser May 2013 #18
He didn't notice police in his neighborhood. He heard a neighbor's alarm cali May 2013 #16
I Quote From The Account Above, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2013 #17
Agreed. FFS, don't approach cops while holding a gun! How hard is that to understand? Nay May 2013 #46
Exactly. Who, upon seeing police in your neighborhood in the middle of the night, would grab his gun Honeycombe8 May 2013 #68
Who would go out with a gun? defacto7 May 2013 #87
fuck da police datasuspect May 2013 #2
Engaging police at 1:00 in the morning Vinnie From Indy May 2013 #3
That was one of my points of concern, so I agree with you 99th_Monkey May 2013 #9
When police tell you to drop a weapon you are carrying, delaying is not a good idea. stevenleser May 2013 #4
True, if they actually told him to drop it. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #26
Good point. Although I must say that bringing a gun to police activity is asking for trouble. stevenleser May 2013 #43
I'm Sure Each Partner Will Attest That There Was A Warning SoCalMusicLover May 2013 #45
Well, I'm glad everyone had a gun. nt msanthrope May 2013 #5
+1000 n/t 99th_Monkey May 2013 #10
if I looked out a window and saw police in the neighborhood, at 1am to boot, magical thyme May 2013 #6
No argument here. ~nt 99th_Monkey May 2013 #15
72 years old. Shouldn't have had a gun. (My husband is 72.) WinkyDink May 2013 #23
Why should a 72 year old man not have a gun? Jenoch May 2013 #84
I agree vankuria May 2013 #30
Same here deutsey May 2013 #38
Who would confront a cop with gun in hand? Life Long Dem May 2013 #7
Hey, the old guy was only "standing his ground" 99th_Monkey May 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #28
Of course, the gun-shooting cops would never create a fictional story about a confrontation. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #34
Thankfully the guns are all OK. Robb May 2013 #19
Following the link to the original story sheds some light here azurnoir May 2013 #20
The Police May Well Have Been Hasty, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2013 #21
that is all quite possibly true azurnoir May 2013 #24
Quite True, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2013 #25
So cops have never shot unarmed people and never lied about what they did to cover things up? The Straight Story May 2013 #36
Try Reading the Things You Reply To, Sir: Saves Trouble And Keeps Egg Off Your Face The Magistrate May 2013 #37
Oh I read it - rookie cops who shot a man then claimed he would not put a gun down The Straight Story May 2013 #40
Hardly The Point You Were Trying For, Though, Sir, is It? The Magistrate May 2013 #42
So, citizens have to know what to do with armed police at your garage at midnight Kolesar May 2013 #27
They Did Not Enter His Garage, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #29
Ok, I fixed it, but it's a fine detail Kolesar May 2013 #32
Yep. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #33
Unfortunately, Sir, Your Comments Bear No Relation To the Facts As Reported, Even By His Wife The Magistrate May 2013 #35
You sound bored...eom Kolesar May 2013 #39
That Says More About You Than Me, Sir.... The Magistrate May 2013 #41
no shit that's what happened newmember May 2013 #55
They were at the wrong house newmember May 2013 #47
Quite Possibly, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #49
When you hold the power of life and death in your hand backed by the state newmember May 2013 #50
And Your Point, Sir? The Magistrate May 2013 #51
He's at his own home in his garage , according to testimony half of his body was in the garage newmember May 2013 #52
He Appeared, Gun In Hand, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #56
There's too many of them that go unpunished newmember May 2013 #57
Nothing You Or I Could Do, Sir, Is Directly Comparable The Magistrate May 2013 #60
I don't know how Texas law is but if you do that newmember May 2013 #61
Texas Law is A Bit Different, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #63
And the cops who shot him made a terrible mistake. Maybe it should be a career-ending mistake. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #66
They Certainly Made A Mistake, Comrade The Magistrate May 2013 #70
I know you have seen the golf club incident where all the police were newmember May 2013 #71
Of No Relevance Here, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #73
It has relevance by being trigger happy with no repercussions newmember May 2013 #76
It Has No Relevance To Judging the Rights Or Wrongs Of This Incident, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #80
I disagree with you , it's very relevant in how the police conduct internal investigations newmember May 2013 #89
This Is Far, Sir, from A Clear-Cut 'Bad Shoot' The Magistrate May 2013 #93
I don't think we will come to an agreement on this newmember May 2013 #95
I'm not 100% you're understanding my point azurnoir May 2013 #44
Mr. Wayne Lapierre im confused. Who was the good guy with the gun and who was the bad one? livefromsac May 2013 #22
Did the neighbor want this "responsible old fogy with gun" to respond to his burglar alarm? rdharma May 2013 #31
They were at the wrong house newmember May 2013 #48
They saw an armed a-hole with a gun in the vicinity of a burglary call! rdharma May 2013 #53
"An armed a-hole with a gun." Really? Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #64
Yes. A tragedy. But caused by the vigilante neighbor! rdharma May 2013 #75
"Are you suggesting that carrying a legal weapon means you deserve to get shot down by the cops?" rdharma May 2013 #81
Cops at the wrong address and the guy is in his garage newmember May 2013 #69
Umm.. he wasn't. Megalo_Man May 2013 #79
Cops have no incentive to not shoot first for no reason. They never get convicted of a crime... Logical May 2013 #54
Riiiiiiiiight! rdharma May 2013 #58
You know how many cops get off for obviously bad shootings? Or a grand jury "decides" not to.... Logical May 2013 #59
You don't really pay much attention to that issue, do you? Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #65
Wrong. There are repercussions. They get paid time off (aka paid vacations). AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #88
It doesn't need to be a gun for the LEO to justify a round to the head. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2013 #62
Yes, it's like we're being "conditioned" to just accept this kind of shit 99th_Monkey May 2013 #67
That's exactly what's happening newmember May 2013 #72
Another bad shoot where the cop doesn't get charged newmember May 2013 #74
The old fogy did EVERYTHING WRONG! rdharma May 2013 #77
He wasn't. Megalo_Man May 2013 #78
Oh! He thought someone was breaking into his car.......... rdharma May 2013 #82
Being armed when confronting a burglar is a bad idea? Megalo_Man May 2013 #85
Make sure that "burglar" isn't your wife or kids going to the bathroom! rdharma May 2013 #90
It's never just one thing. rrneck May 2013 #83
Home Truths, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #86
"cock-ups are co-operative ventures".... rdharma May 2013 #91
Both the decedent's son and the medical examiner say that he was shot inside his garage. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #92
Yup , I said that earlier in the thread newmember May 2013 #94
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