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JDPriestly

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Wed May 29, 2013, 04:48 PM May 2013

Someone on DU began talking about the inevitability of revolution. Why not revolution? [View all]

Because. Look at the history of revolutions. Especially revolutions and revolts due to extreme poverty. French history is replete with these events. Peasant revolts. Marches.

Most of the aristocracy, the landowners, the wealthy survived the violent episodes intact. A few actually succumbed. The "French Revolution" changed things -- for a while. But then came Napoleon, military losses and, and . . . . In general, revolutions mean that the rich suffer setbacks only to return and rule again.

Revolutions do happen. But they are really horrible affairs. And usually pretty ineffective when it comes to achieving justice.

Repeating the lament that things are bad and people are bound to rise up is just as ineffective, sorry to say. (Although I have said it myself and they may.)

We have a voice. Americans have not yet lost the right to vote. Our current state of injustice in the world could lead to revolution. True. But revolution is unlikely to change much.

What is needed is people who understand what is going on getting out and peacefully talking to voters one by one. We have to explain to people that they are voting against their interests. We have to be the rational ones.

Occupy was good because it attracted attention to injustice and united like-minded people. But real progress is not made by just sitting and commiserating among ourselves. Real progress is made when wise people find good candidates to run for office and then work like the dickens to persuade people to vote for their interests.

We can have real change without violence or revolution. And change without violence or revolution is the only kind of change that really improves people's lives.

One thing that is forgotten about the American Revolution is that it occurred in a country in which most of the land was not farmed or developed and in which there was almost no industry. Ours was truly a land of infinite possibilities and no aristocracy at that time. That is no longer the case. Yet Americans are made to feel like losers because they can't just go out and homestead and make it without much social and infrastructure support.

Nowadays, nobody makes it without social and infrastructure support. Steve Jobs didn't. Bill Gates didn't. William Randolph Hearst didn't. (He did OK with his newspapers, but that his not how he became rich. His father invested in gold mines. Way to go.) They got a boost from friends and/or family. We all need that. We all need to help each other.

The great danger today is that we are gradually forming an aristocracy. We had the Bush presidencies -- father and son. A very bad omen. Now we hear of having another Clinton presidency. Leaving aside whether Hillary Clinton would make a good president or not, the idea of developing even the hint of dynasty in the White House should be repugnant to every American.

We need a people's government and a people's president. That does not mean socialism. It means electing representatives and a president who are strong enough to stand up against the very wealthy as well as the crazy, extremist, self-styled but mistaken reformers. We need people who will dare to move to implement new ideas and require the wealthy to obey the laws that everyone else obeys.

It's that simple.

If you read the history of wealthy men in America, you will note that many of them cheated, bought politicians and undercut their competition in order to create monopolies that harmed our economy. Many, maybe most of them obtained (bought) special favors from the government (or the governments of other countries. Think of the railroad barons who were given generous land grants. There is nothing new about corruption or bribery.) Those who became wealthy really because they were smarter, wiser than others without some cheating or taking unfair advantage are rare.

Some of the wealthiest Americans in history used law enforcement to protect their wealth and harmed others in the process. The list of wrongs that created wealth is very, very long. Just study the building of the railroads, the history of mining, the story of the steel industry. Cut-throat, ruthless competition was not unusual. And as a result a lot of ordinary people suffered.

But violent uprisings only very rarely improved things. Quiet cooperation and wisdom can save the day.

We who post on DU and others like us who see the great need for real change have insight into what could be done differently. We have the power to change the world in the gentle, firm way that it needs to be changed without useless violent revolution.

Just talk to your neighbors. Don't argue. Inform yourself. Learn the facts. Study history. Study the present. Then just state what you believe and why. Let it sink in. Don't excite the defenses in people. Just speak to their common sense. We all have to do this.

Extremism works for a while and then fails. But acquiescence to injustice is dangerous.

At the same time, let's admit that sometimes we are wrong. The wonderful thing about democracy is that through the lens of diverse thought and expression, freedom of speech, freedom of communication, bad ideas can be held up and criticized (we all have them once in a while) and good ideas can rise to the top. But we have to do our part by holding reasoned conversations with each other and with our families and friends, neighbors and acquaintances. We need to do it in a spirit of good will, however and not from one of despondency or anger.

Sorry for the long rant. I don't expect very many people to read to the end. And, in closing, I wish I could always follow my own advice. If you catch me violating it, let me know. Speak up. That's the only way that I or any of us can learn and improve.

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No revolution in the US until we run out of Chalupas and Diet Coke. FSogol May 2013 #1
I'll make/take the chalupas. kentauros May 2013 #12
Nah, the only thing that could prompt these gigantic asses off their couches would Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #21
Especially your last sentence. randome May 2013 #2
In this case I think it's the oligarchs that want revolution. Turbineguy May 2013 #3
The revolution was won in 2008. Why would anyone want to bring back Jeb Bush? graham4anything May 2013 #4
Probably true. Thanks. JDPriestly May 2013 #17
Revolutions are shifts in society. Starry Messenger May 2013 #5
Who says revolution means violence? marions ghost May 2013 #6
The gun culture does. stevenleser May 2013 #7
The Tactical Response nutjob marions ghost May 2013 #11
Lovely and hopeful. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2013 #8
Yikers. There's quite a bit of misinformation in your op cali May 2013 #9
There was the British aristocracy before the revolution. JDPriestly May 2013 #18
I'm not talking about the Rockefellers cali May 2013 #32
That's why we had the revolution -- to get rid of them. JDPriestly May 2013 #47
revolutions don't normally occur in places with extremely high standards of living like the US arely staircase May 2013 #10
Speaking of revolutions...just read this on Think Progress maddezmom May 2013 #13
Most American Revolutions have not been violent nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #14
John Lennon on revolutions felix_numinous May 2013 #15
Great thoughts, and I admire your optimism...BUT... Whiskeytide May 2013 #16
The money problem is often overstated Chathamization May 2013 #39
I agree with getting people involved... Whiskeytide May 2013 #40
I’ve mostly been doing work Chathamization May 2013 #45
Actually revolutions almost never happen in extreme poverty Recursion May 2013 #19
What do you think the outcome would have been had the liberalization JDPriestly May 2013 #48
I don't think that's strictly true Spider Jerusalem May 2013 #20
Capitalism was in its earlier years. Mercantilism was the economic system. JDPriestly May 2013 #22
Sure, but saying "there was no aristocracy" is ahistorical. Spider Jerusalem May 2013 #23
The Southern planter class saw themselves as aristocratic BainsBane May 2013 #29
depends on what you mean by 'industrial wealth'. HiPointDem May 2013 #25
Manufactures didn't not develop on until after the War of 1812. BainsBane May 2013 #27
i'd disagree. the social order was changing long before the war of 1812. HiPointDem May 2013 #31
mercantilism is not something distinct from capitalism. HiPointDem May 2013 #35
Wrong as usual. John Hancock possessed considerably more wealth than Washington Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #26
according to this, washington was worth half a billion in today's dollars. still pretty rich. HiPointDem May 2013 #34
KnR Hekate May 2013 #24
The Rich Actually Are Different dkf May 2013 #28
"one to make it...etc" is bullshit. do some genealogy of very wealthy families. the three HiPointDem May 2013 #36
You misunderstand the concept of revolution Scootaloo May 2013 #30
We have to tap into this JustAnotherGen May 2013 #33
speaking of inherited wealth; fitzgerald's model for jay gatsby: HiPointDem May 2013 #37
Eh JustAnotherGen May 2013 #38
sorry, i meant tom buchanan. HiPointDem May 2013 #41
I figured! JustAnotherGen May 2013 #42
check out the copy of gatsby fitzgerald gave to hitchcock, though. HiPointDem May 2013 #43
ha ha ha ha JustAnotherGen May 2013 #46
Thanks. I like this very much: JDPriestly May 2013 #49
Obama's election was arguably part of the beginning of a revolution Dash87 May 2013 #44
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