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cali

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9. bullshit. It couldn't be clearer that this was a woman in the midst of

Wed May 29, 2013, 08:37 PM

May 2013

mental health crisis of some sort. Maybe a diabetic with low blood sugar. Maybe someone bi-polar. It's almost certain the knife she was holding was from cutting the pizza, hell it may even have been a pizza wheel. She was disoriented.

Police need to be able to disarm and handle someone who is mentally ill without fucking shooting them dead. Furthermore, at least one witness said there was virtually no time between the cops telling her to drop the "weapon"- and no, I sure as shit do not automatically trust cops to be telling the truth about fucking anything- and the cops firing 4 or 5 rounds.

Cops should be trained to handle these situations without resorting to lethal force. It happens way too fucking often in this country.

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Good Lord. Woman Handing Out Samples at Va. Costco Shot Dead by Police After Acting Strangely [View all] cali May 2013 OP

Moral of story RobertEarl May 2013 #1

too bad crazy people might have a hard time remembering that 0rganism May 2013 #5

Or someone having an insulin attack Matariki May 2013 #50

Your compassion for another human who is now dead is touching. dballance May 2013 #54

Or she might have been havinfg a nervous breakdown or any number of other problems. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2013 #7

Maybe she was diabetic, or had psychomotor epilepsy, or untreated mental illness . . . hatrack May 2013 #13

Maybe. But what we DO know is that she had a knife & scissors & threatened Costco employees Honeycombe8 May 2013 #25

she had a knife and scissors because she was sampling pizza. neither the knives or the scissors niyad May 2013 #40

Small scissors and knives are most certainly a threat NickB79 May 2013 #65

she didn't have a box cutter, she had a knife and scissors for the pizza. and, as others have niyad May 2013 #73

Only if you let them get that close and even then it would require a great deal of luck. Live and Learn May 2013 #78

Have you ever been to Costco? Eddie Haskell May 2013 #69

alternative headline arely staircase May 2013 #2

so far locally the word is that she did have a knife. loli phabay May 2013 #3

how do you cut pizza samples without a knife? savalez May 2013 #4

not by running at cops with it arely staircase May 2013 #6

and you know she was running at them? bzzzzt. No you fucking don't cali May 2013 #12

well, the witnesses stories don't match your headline arely staircase May 2013 #14

Running? savalez May 2013 #86

with a pizza wheel. HiPointDem May 2013 #47

Sure, or a knife, or even... savalez May 2013 #87

bullshit. It couldn't be clearer that this was a woman in the midst of cali May 2013 #9

My initial thought was she had a brain tumor or was having a stroke. Doremus May 2013 #17

My first thought was drugs. For a stun gun not to work. Heavy duty drugs. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #19

Stun guns aren't perfect. Ready4Change May 2013 #44

Or an apron. n/t krispos42 May 2013 #75

Yep Ready4Change May 2013 #80

Ditto for me! "May their actions haunt them the rest of their lives." Auntie Bush May 2013 #27

I was thinking amphetimines. Too many and/or too long. Wigged out. Won't react to stun guns. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #22

Police were so poorly trained they couldn't Ilsa May 2013 #26

Yep big fail marions ghost May 2013 #70

couldn't be clearer? arely staircase May 2013 #28

Cops ARE trained to handle it. Bonobo May 2013 #29

But before the cops got there, she was threatening others Yo_Mama May 2013 #36

If two cops can't disarm a woman with a knife without killing her indie9197 May 2013 #8

exactly. cali May 2013 #10

End of discussion. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #15

Amen. nt Lex May 2013 #20

Yep. Apophis May 2013 #49

^^ this ^^ defacto7 May 2013 #51

We're at the point where we citizens need a force to protect us from the police villager May 2013 #57

Naw, that's just more of the same and worse. defacto7 May 2013 #58

Except they are different. And since they won't tear down and reorganize themselves, what are our villager May 2013 #59

Whatever it is, it's a slow process. defacto7 May 2013 #61

I really meant we needed some kind of institutional counter-weight to the police... villager May 2013 #62

You have any ideas? defacto7 May 2013 #63

And I'm highly skeptical about the knife claim. ronnie624 May 2013 #56

"Came At" - what the fuck does that mean? Lunged? Dove? Walked? Strolled? Sprinted? Slipped? hatrack May 2013 #11

She passed out and they shot her where she fell. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #16

Cowards! defacto7 May 2013 #52

Sounds like she was on some heavy duty drugs? For a stun gun not to work & the Honeycombe8 May 2013 #18

the stun gun didn't work--could have malfunctioned, not been charged. doesn't really say that it niyad May 2013 #42

Don't police wear vests that stop both bullets and knives? I don't understand this. stevenleser May 2013 #21

the vests wont stop a knife, a knife across the wrist can kill also loli phabay May 2013 #24

I think training has shifted more to the use of the taser Yo_Mama May 2013 #37

Taser, yes, but most cops also carry OC spray and a baton, which they train with Nay May 2013 #81

wtf? something sounds off here. the vagueness of the account, for one thing. HiPointDem May 2013 #23

She was first threatening employees with a knife and scissors. Neurotica May 2013 #30

i didn't make any judgement except that something sounds off & unnecessarily vague about the HiPointDem May 2013 #31

Sadly, it's often too much to ask given the sorry state of journalism. n/t Neurotica May 2013 #32

perhaps it also has something to do with the sad state of policing, and the sad state of the economy HiPointDem May 2013 #33

seems she was threatening other employees, they called the sheriff loli phabay May 2013 #35

Scary situation for sure and sad for everyone involved. Neurotica May 2013 #39

Those plastic knives can be dangerous! AndyA May 2013 #34

where did you read "plastic" knife? arely staircase May 2013 #38

Who needs facts when you can make shit up nobodyspecial May 2013 #48

Sarcasm n/t AndyA May 2013 #71

And so it goes... another in an endless stream of murderers with a badge defended by Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #41

the "breaking news" headline was "deputy shot", not "woman killed by deputies"-- amazing. niyad May 2013 #43

Cops need better training RedCappedBandit May 2013 #45

you'd think we would find some fucking way to subdue people other than killing them spanone May 2013 #46

The stun gun didn't work Life Long Dem May 2013 #53

In the comments, a man who was in the store at the time tblue37 May 2013 #64

I think it is poor training, and a few other things. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #72

I am almost 63, and I have cardiac arhythmia. tblue37 May 2013 #88

Perhaps a shot in the leg may have been the correct response to an elderly WCGreen May 2013 #55

I agree damnedifIknow May 2013 #76

When I was 20, an old woman maybe 75 came at me in the house defacto7 May 2013 #60

amazing story old chap. loli phabay May 2013 #66

Gin and Coke? It would have been more merciful to shoot her! JVS May 2013 #74

Actually it was more gin than coke by about 30 to 1. defacto7 May 2013 #84

Bad shooting decision. In_The_Wind May 2013 #67

Isn't this a scene from The Simpson's? Eddie Haskell May 2013 #68

I love the way this is phrased: niyad May 2013 #77

FIVE SHOTS? this article has slightly more information niyad May 2013 #79

Whatever happened to shooting someone in the leg?? cbdo2007 May 2013 #82

Sounds like the behavior of someone who neglects their insulin shots justiceischeap May 2013 #83

NBC is M$M, they're incapable of investigating anything or reporting on it Corruption Inc May 2013 #85