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JustAnotherGen

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38. Eh

Thu May 30, 2013, 08:48 AM

May 2013

I think was more likely Max Gerlach or whatever Mr. Stork/Stark called himself!

I think Tom is a possibility for that man - but Ginerva's (Fitzegerald's unrequitted love) father played a hand in that character as well.

Gatsby was an invention of Gatz . . . Gerlach was an invention of Stork/Stark - a bootlegger with "supposed" German Aristoctratic heritage. But it was all an illusion he created to get the girl.

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Someone on DU began talking about the inevitability of revolution. Why not revolution? [View all] JDPriestly May 2013 OP

No revolution in the US until we run out of Chalupas and Diet Coke. FSogol May 2013 #1

I'll make/take the chalupas. kentauros May 2013 #12

Nah, the only thing that could prompt these gigantic asses off their couches would Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #21

Especially your last sentence. randome May 2013 #2

In this case I think it's the oligarchs that want revolution. Turbineguy May 2013 #3

The revolution was won in 2008. Why would anyone want to bring back Jeb Bush? graham4anything May 2013 #4

Probably true. Thanks. JDPriestly May 2013 #17

Revolutions are shifts in society. Starry Messenger May 2013 #5

Who says revolution means violence? marions ghost May 2013 #6

The gun culture does. stevenleser May 2013 #7

The Tactical Response nutjob marions ghost May 2013 #11

Lovely and hopeful. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2013 #8

Yikers. There's quite a bit of misinformation in your op cali May 2013 #9

There was the British aristocracy before the revolution. JDPriestly May 2013 #18

I'm not talking about the Rockefellers cali May 2013 #32

That's why we had the revolution -- to get rid of them. JDPriestly May 2013 #47

revolutions don't normally occur in places with extremely high standards of living like the US arely staircase May 2013 #10

Speaking of revolutions...just read this on Think Progress maddezmom May 2013 #13

Most American Revolutions have not been violent nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #14

John Lennon on revolutions felix_numinous May 2013 #15

Great thoughts, and I admire your optimism...BUT... Whiskeytide May 2013 #16

The money problem is often overstated Chathamization May 2013 #39

I agree with getting people involved... Whiskeytide May 2013 #40

I�ve mostly been doing work Chathamization May 2013 #45

Actually revolutions almost never happen in extreme poverty Recursion May 2013 #19

What do you think the outcome would have been had the liberalization JDPriestly May 2013 #48

I don't think that's strictly true Spider Jerusalem May 2013 #20

Capitalism was in its earlier years. Mercantilism was the economic system. JDPriestly May 2013 #22

Sure, but saying "there was no aristocracy" is ahistorical. Spider Jerusalem May 2013 #23

The Southern planter class saw themselves as aristocratic BainsBane May 2013 #29

depends on what you mean by 'industrial wealth'. HiPointDem May 2013 #25

Manufactures didn't not develop on until after the War of 1812. BainsBane May 2013 #27

i'd disagree. the social order was changing long before the war of 1812. HiPointDem May 2013 #31

mercantilism is not something distinct from capitalism. HiPointDem May 2013 #35

Wrong as usual. John Hancock possessed considerably more wealth than Washington Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #26

according to this, washington was worth half a billion in today's dollars. still pretty rich. HiPointDem May 2013 #34

KnR Hekate May 2013 #24

The Rich Actually Are Different dkf May 2013 #28

"one to make it...etc" is bullshit. do some genealogy of very wealthy families. the three HiPointDem May 2013 #36

You misunderstand the concept of revolution Scootaloo May 2013 #30

We have to tap into this JustAnotherGen May 2013 #33

speaking of inherited wealth; fitzgerald's model for jay gatsby: HiPointDem May 2013 #37

Eh JustAnotherGen May 2013 #38

sorry, i meant tom buchanan. HiPointDem May 2013 #41

I figured! JustAnotherGen May 2013 #42

check out the copy of gatsby fitzgerald gave to hitchcock, though. HiPointDem May 2013 #43

ha ha ha ha JustAnotherGen May 2013 #46

Thanks. I like this very much: JDPriestly May 2013 #49

Obama's election was arguably part of the beginning of a revolution Dash87 May 2013 #44