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In reply to the discussion: The DemocraticUnderground can say things the Democratic Party cannot say. [View all]
patrice
(47,992 posts)292. Well, maybe that's because people are doing "middle of the road" wrong, pretending, instead of actua
ly trying to connect right and left.
Funny how we all seem to agree that things have not been right from the first (and that DOES include a fucked up Constitution that gave white propertied males a 200+ year lead in the economic rat race) and now just presto changeo whatever anyone thinks should be different should be different tomorrow, now excuses, no explanations, no mitigating factors and whatever harm an ideology produces, well that's all well and fine in the name of what SOMEONE ELSE says is a principle, especially if they hang the word constitution on that principle, or something like that. Again, I don't expect you to agree with me, I just think that we need to be honest instead of reducing everything to the over-simplified bullshit and then punishing anyone who doesn't play along with the side that I/you are on. That means that Democrats have good cause to say exactly what you said in your OP, only from the Democratic perspective instead of just from the anti-everything Democratic perspective.
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The DemocraticUnderground can say things the Democratic Party cannot say. [View all]
kentuck
May 2013
OP
If all that bubbles up from the underground is an affirmation of party talking points... idiocracy
Ed Suspicious
May 2013
#1
Basic fallacy at work - There is no monolithic opinion on all issues within the party.
leveymg
May 2013
#98
Explain the difference between "we should not veer too far from the Democratic Party talking points"
leveymg
May 2013
#134
"There is no monolithic opinion ..." but there are basic values and those basic values include
patrice
May 2013
#251
META. and I disagree with your post 100%. I myself back Eric Holder for SCOTUS. Wiki included here
graham4anything
May 2013
#2
Watch the language, please. It was uncalled for and definatelly way out of bounds....
marble falls
May 2013
#118
Which language would you prefer? In all fairness most of us speak english and remain unharmed.
Dragonfli
May 2013
#365
I hate to add another post agreeing with you but I must. Dont let it go to your head.
rhett o rick
May 2013
#309
Eric Holder is a prissy timid mouse who sucks lemons and is afraid of his own shadow
hootinholler
May 2013
#82
Right you are. The more sure of your outlook, the less you need to explain.
Eleanors38
Jun 2013
#493
Now where is that sarcasm tag....hmmm, not there. I was all set to get a good laugh out of that.
gtar100
May 2013
#375
I will ponder this statement and give it all the thought it deserves. Ask me again on Wednesday.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#462
Do you support Republicans being appointed to powerful positions in our government
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#468
That wasn't my question. It was a simply question actually, 'do you support Republicans in
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#473
So you support Bush's wars, torture and the Drug War then? Well, now I understand
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#485
Ron Paul voted FOR Afghanastan. Ron Paul did NOT sign onto Kucinich's impeach Bush
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#487
I don't think "we" do have the ability to disagree with one another, because you can't disagree with
patrice
May 2013
#247
good ?s.Then we can ask, 'who would you suggest the Pres. noms. for the position?'
Sunlei
May 2013
#15
And the only answer needed is 'not someone from the torture and invade crew'
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#31
She's the FBI lawyer who wanted to prevent a hijacking before September 11, 2001.
Octafish
May 2013
#100
ask her to fill out Pres. Os app for white house apointments. or ask if she did.
Sunlei
May 2013
#152
good thing I know enough to vote Dem and republicans are usually dangerous to the usa people :)
Sunlei
May 2013
#225
Republicans are dangerous to the usa and the world. That is why no one here would have
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#469
How could you not have noticed her? She tried to stop 9/11 from happening. She was
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#471
I asked you to be clear, you seem to be supportive of nomination of Bushco regulars
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#79
Sorry - Powell played a key role in the deception of Congress & the American people
bullwinkle428
May 2013
#94
you knew at the time? decades ago? and you don't know if there were serious questions asked then.
Sunlei
May 2013
#137
good thing McCain got "Palined" tm..that was the kiss of death along w Saturday Night Live Palin lol
Sunlei
May 2013
#228
Powell lied to the UN to get us into Bush's invasion of Iraq. He KNEW they were lying.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#470
Powell's original claim to fame was covering up the My Lai massacre in Vietnam.
Fuddnik
May 2013
#160
even today the soil holds the agent orange and thousands of kids born w/ birth defects
Sunlei
May 2013
#231
So you support former Bushies. Now can you answer the question I asked, which is why
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#110
When I asked you why you support Bushies for new offices, you should have just posted
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#139
I don't call all republicans who were in office at the same time as bush 'bushies'
Sunlei
May 2013
#148
Well a Bush appointee is a Bushie, you can make up language to suit your shifing posts
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#163
And Sen Hilliary Clinton supported W's legislation that a lot of Republicans voted against ...
marble falls
May 2013
#136
Asking that we provide a specific name is absurd. It implies that there are no other
rhett o rick
May 2013
#308
Centralest & Liberals, Left of Center people. People with the welfare of common citizen more in mind
RC
May 2013
#39
He can't get ANY of his nominees confirmed. None of them. He went for liberal/progressive
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#42
He called for us to show up at the polls in 2010. That didn't work out so well. So, in your own...
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#223
Demoralized the party? And you're "The Party" now? You don't speak for me, and I've been a Dem....
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#256
Well, if Maureen Dowd says it's so, then it must be so. This isn't about people feeling "let down".
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#282
Then what? The same backward teapartiers in the same gerrymandered districts will keep
appacom
May 2013
#307
Your implication is that all the good candidates are Bush's friends. Would you care
rhett o rick
May 2013
#195
I didn't say they were bushes friends. I think President O appoints people he trusts.
Sunlei
May 2013
#245
Yeah, because liberal Democrats that we want will sail through the nomination process.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#33
Of course WE can. Not just HE can! Not a dictator. Just the president.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#151
Frankly I don't give a shit. I have a right to use ignore. Don't like it. Tough!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#345
Oh wait. The racism card comes out. Did you alert? I'd be curious what a jury would say.
rhett o rick
May 2013
#198
Sexism and racism. Why bring up another person of color at all? Not all black people
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#203
Good grief. I agreed that the suggestion of balls or lack of is sexist. Hello.
rhett o rick
May 2013
#208
The post was not sexist or racist. It was criticizing Obama for his seeming unwillingness to
sabrina 1
May 2013
#349
I agree with you sabrina. It was definitely not racist. The poster was pointing out that Rosa Parks
rhett o rick
May 2013
#359
Hey L_S, aren't you glad that we have so many white people here to tell us what is and is not racist
Number23
May 2013
#452
Let me get this straight. He nominates conservatives because that's what will make
rhett o rick
May 2013
#196
Might be both, but the bottom line is that he can't get any of his nominees through. Do you have a
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#197
He has the right to pick whomever he wants. You're on IGNORE. Please leave me alone!
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#205
The Tea Party sure seems like it successfully dragged the Republican Party to the right.
stillwaiting
May 2013
#9
republican teas..they are republicans, a group funded by koch like his john birch society.
Sunlei
May 2013
#72
You make a point that should be hammered: We are NOT the Democratic Party.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#44
As a slight correction... you've overstated Holder's responsibility
ConservativeDemocrat
May 2013
#210
Eric Holder is a Wall Street, corporate shill! He could have busted a lot of crooks in NY and
Dustlawyer
May 2013
#14
It was not investigated b/c it would incriminate some of the same people that tell Obama what to do!
Dustlawyer
May 2013
#432
I like Mr. Holder, I think he's done a good job. I think it's the republicans who hate him.
Sunlei
May 2013
#16
oh, there are plenty of us democrats who don't like him. Medical marijuana patients and people who
liberal_at_heart
May 2013
#128
I agree with you. But I do think that Obama has been the most liberal president we have had
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#47
I didn't say liberal. I said he's been the most liberal we have ever had. Since LBJ.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#61
In order to compete, you expected him not to form PACs, not to have large donors?
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#127
I supported Dennis Kucinich. He now is a commentator for Faux News. Who knew?
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#116
Just because you can say something doesn't mean that it's right or you should. nt
Pragdem
May 2013
#20
the first amendment is NOT absolute. There is no right to yell fire in a theatre not burning.
graham4anything
May 2013
#40
The point of the First Amendment is that people get to speak for themselves, even you
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#38
one cannot yell fire in a theatre or make terror jokes in an airport. It is NOT absolute.
graham4anything
May 2013
#41
Pro, you said the First Amendment is not about protecting those who criticize Holder
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#99
Propaganda is Fox and the media. Defending Eric Holder is American & the first amendment.
graham4anything
May 2013
#108
Huh??? I don't watch Fox. Fox/NRA is against Holder. No one else should be.
graham4anything
May 2013
#132
It was you who introduced FoxNews as part of your routine here, you wrote as if you
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#140
Those against Holder are regurgitating repudiated smears against Holder time and again.
graham4anything
May 2013
#142
What? That makes zero sense at all. You said what you said and you were wrong.
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#138
I think, act, and speak on my own behalf. I don't need DU to do that for me.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#37
So does that gusto you express mean that when Obama and Holder opposed equality
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#45
I think, speak, and act on my own behalf. The president supports marriage equality. He has directed
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#57
So basically what you are now saying is that you do not 100% agree with them and you
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#76
No. I expect others to have their own opinions and accept that mine are different from theirs.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#109
If you really want people to just accept your opinion, then you must do the same for them
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#175
How have I not accepted your opinion? I have stated TWICE that we agree to disagree.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#176
Your inaccuracy has to be addressed. You say DOMA is not enforced and that is false.
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#107
1. How has the attorney general enforced DOMA? Do you have evidence of that?
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#111
Thanks, but I don't believe anything Robert says. The fact that DOMA is before the court means
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#172
One more thing: DOMA is in the courts because a state SUED the federal government on the
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#174
K&R especially for all of the bullshit about how evil PO et al are. Dehumanization is PROPAGANDA. nt
patrice
May 2013
#266
Anyone that supports any political anything, 100% needs to step back and reanalyze things.
RC
May 2013
#63
I don't need to do anything but stay black and die! And I damn sure don't need advice from
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#64
Not blind loyalty at all. I criticize the president when he should be. I praise him when he does
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#321
Not only do you make assumptions about me, you are very condescending.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#424
I'm here because I want to be. I'm not here to force someone else to accept my opinions.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#434
Yes we need stand for truth and justice. We must also keep in mind what a mess things........
wandy
May 2013
#60
Around here it's "First they came for the Democrats..." and there's support for thinking so in
patrice
May 2013
#241
luckily when I am filling out my ballot I don't give a damn what DU thinks.
liberal_at_heart
May 2013
#114
I agree. That's why I always say I'm more part of the Underground than the Democratic
johnlucas
May 2013
#165
In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place. - Gandhi
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2013
#173
+ an outright refusal to consider positive information and opinions, so that's what we do here,
patrice
May 2013
#234
I rec'ed your OP, because I feel like you are talking about both sides of the wars here at DU.
patrice
May 2013
#255
Uniformity is not possible nor desirable, so what is hypocritical to you can be another person's
patrice
May 2013
#259
Imagine the kind of president you'd like best dealing with these same issues in exactly the manner
patrice
May 2013
#285
Well, maybe that's because people are doing "middle of the road" wrong, pretending, instead of actua
patrice
May 2013
#292
Not all opposition is about reforming Democrats, some of it is about destroying Democrats, so
patrice
May 2013
#299
Stickier still, why was support of Charlie Crist(R/I) allowed over Meek(D) in 2010?
Dragonfli
May 2013
#373
IMO those that think I'm required to get on board with policies that I hate and have consistently
Dragonfli
May 2013
#378
I and others agree with you, but there are a signifigant number of DUers who don't and who want to
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2013
#216
Art V describes the process for amending the Constitution. It does not include adopting a statute
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2013
#258
Being intellectually free enough to address both sides of anything means being able to demonstrate
patrice
May 2013
#226
What are you not allowed to say that you think you should? No one except the Admins can shut down..
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#227
And I think you're full of crap. You've challenged the Admins, and sidestepped META in the process.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#264
Thank God I'm not responsible for your feelings. Come on back anytime now, ya hear?
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#363
Thanks Bobbie Jo. You didn't get a response. Perhaps the poster should click the link & define
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#444
I hadn't seen that thread. But it further confirms what I already knew! They've taken over!
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#446
I'll just go ahead and put some Glad Wrap on this thread so you can take it home with you.
Number23
May 2013
#344
We know what some of this is about. Sadly, the teanutters didn't corner the market on "it".
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#355
I actually thought you were being exceptionally kind by calling them "educated."
Number23
May 2013
#369
You & the many Democrats who gave up caring about DU. I figure it like this....
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#370
The strength of any position is enhanced by authentic valid recognition of the POSITIVES of
patrice
May 2013
#230
I've learned that the Democratic Party welcomes participation from all ideological perspectives
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#237
The site owners are doing the very same thing so many hate Obama for, only they are doing it in the
patrice
May 2013
#267
Honesty is preferable, so if Dem officials read this site, they will get a true picture of the
alfredo
May 2013
#246
Emphatic agreement. Hold their feet to the fire, hold them to FDR values.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2013
#260
Yes, but it's also true that listening means nothing if we can't WIN and I'm just not
patrice
May 2013
#275
Right-Wing Media's Fake Narrative About Rosen Warrant Now Even More Incoherent
ProSense
May 2013
#274
You don't think people should be angry about the fact that DU is partisan against Democrats?
patrice
May 2013
#289
I can understand that some people may not like the direction the Party is going...
kentuck
May 2013
#291
Free speech would be speech that doesn't acquire a benefit of any kind. I don't think we see that
patrice
May 2013
#295
yeah that's kind of mind boggling -- what you said should be about as controversial as praising
Douglas Carpenter
May 2013
#296
i'm guessing it's a kind of paranoia - "You are either with us or you are with the Republicans!"
Douglas Carpenter
May 2013
#302
Thanks for posting this "right-wingers in general are not welcome here."
Corruption Inc
May 2013
#314
It's not many people who support these Republican nominations, it's just a small group who
sabrina 1
May 2013
#342
PEOPLE ARE TOO AFRAID TO PROTEST .. AMERICAN ARE CHICKEN SHITES. NOT IN FRANCE !!
YOHABLO
May 2013
#339
"Hillary Clinton is not the best candidate for 2016" is the first thing that comes to mind.....
PennsylvaniaMatt
May 2013
#348
You can't be a Democrat unless you think Hillary Clinton is the best candidate for 2016??
kentuck
May 2013
#356
The best post in this thread!! Thank you so much! I am relieved that the "Democrats" on DU are not
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#427
Not pained by "this place" at all. Again, I come here to enjoy fruitful discussion. TO DISCUSS...
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#433
The Label-Maker gets so much work here he can now put his kids through college!
Number23
May 2013
#453
The Father Knows Best wing vs the left has been around since the inception of DU.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#478