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HiPointDem

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29. nyc had free college for ages, and california had near free college, and the people who benefited

Fri May 31, 2013, 05:36 AM

May 2013

certainly valued it.

the value people place on public goods has nothing to do with whether they're 'free' or not, but with how they are socialized.

currently a sit-in going on at one of the last 'free' colleges in nyc: the students value it enough to sit in for weeks, and it's not for themselves (their education is already assured), it's for future students:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/nyregion/cooper-union-protesters-living-high-life-out-of-presidents-office.html?_r=0

Cooper Union has been 'free' for 150 years. None of the students valued it, in your estimation?

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This is why free college is so important newfie11 May 2013 #2

Free, or the availability of affordable loans and grants for tuition geckosfeet May 2013 #3

No grants newfie11 May 2013 #13

So did I. Students often can't even buy used textbooks any more Hekate May 2013 #25

That's terrible, I can't imagine the price of new books today newfie11 May 2013 #38

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Just wondering... whathehell May 2013 #5

The union did give my mom $250.00 newfie11 May 2013 #11

Wouldn't the Social Security have at least helped whathehell May 2013 #12

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That bad, huh? whathehell May 2013 #16

I can't remember the exact amount newfie11 May 2013 #18

Oh, definitely not with today's tuition costs...I get that. n/t whathehell May 2013 #20

There used to be an SS college benefit for all dependent children of beneficiaries. HiPointDem May 2013 #21

I bet it is newfie11 May 2013 #22

yeah, it's getting hard to believe such things ever existed in these times. but they did, and not HiPointDem May 2013 #24

You know Ryan's family is wealthy, yes? Hassin Bin Sober May 2013 #35

I wasn't sure...I'd heard that he was, but then wondered why whathehell May 2013 #36

"have to" is the operative phrase here. Hassin Bin Sober May 2013 #39

Yes, that appears to be the case. whathehell May 2013 #40

I don't agree. MADem May 2013 #27

nyc had free college for ages, and california had near free college, and the people who benefited HiPointDem May 2013 #29

I'm not saying it should be over-the-top expensive, I think it should MADem May 2013 #30

that people 'back in the day' appreciated it demonstrates that being free doesn't make goods HiPointDem May 2013 #31

Well, back in the day, someone DID pay. MADem May 2013 #33

plenty of students lived on their own, and paid for their own lodging and food. HiPointDem May 2013 #34

The Little Fauntleroys I was talking about were fifth graders. MADem May 2013 #43

you made a claim: that people didn't appreciate free goods. i said that is not necessarily HiPointDem May 2013 #44

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