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In reply to the discussion: Amina Tyler/Sboui writes grafitti on World Heritage site mosque, gets arrested [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)44. There you go again!
i'll remember your support for vandalism next time some 'anarchists' start spraypainting starbucks. funny i never see you guys defending those instances.
WAAAAAAH!
I am not "supporting" vandalism--I'm simply saying this woman -- unlike those Starbucks taggers--made her protest in public in front of cameras. She was prepared to accept the consequences, as the video that you provided documents.
When those "some 'anarchists'" of which you speak take off their silly little ski masks, stop breaking windows, and smile for the camera while they wait to be arrested, we can talk, and we can call their actions the equivalent of what this woman did.
The two instances are not at all the same, but good effort attempting to convolute them! Anyone not paying attention might buy that weak sauce!
And as for that wall, if you actually think it --or those fancy lightposts, or that plaza--was constructed when the original mosque was built, I have a bridge for sale in Washington State. Walls are walls--they aren't part and parcel of the heritage site. The masjid itself is the thing that is protected, not the surrounding infrastructure. If someone sprays graffiti on the gift shop or the food cart near the Pyramids, are they "defacing a world heritage site?" Of course not. But whatever...do continue on with the outrage!
Here, since you plainly want to be offended, let me give you some graffiti in Tunis to really be offended about:

A Tunisian teenager is receiving death threats for her public support of the feminist protest group Femen, started in Ukraine and famous for its topless protests. The graffiti seen here is in Tunis. (Lauren Wolfe)
Why are we so desperately afraid of the power of womens bodies that we have weaponized them? What does it mean to a young girl growing up in this world to learn that her body is considered so dangerous that to reveal it could lead to epidemics and disasters and may be punishable by death?
It is part of the othering of women in society that leads to such anger and criticism of the sexuality and appearance of their bodies, as if they are so dangerous as to be somehow responsible for all sexual acts. So women around the world are blamed for their clothing, their curves, and their appearance when they suffer sexualized violence, instead of indignation and anger being directed towards their attackers. So a 15-year-old rape victim is sentenced to public flogging for having sex outside marriage. So a teenager in Steubenville, Ohio, is ridiculed, blamed, and threatened when she is raped and urinated on and the assaults are shared across social media. So the victim of a convicted rapist in the UK is named and blamed on Twitter so many times that her name starts trending and she has to change her identity.
When will we stop condemning the bodies and behavior of women and consider the behavior of those who threaten, silence, and attack them? When will the very sight of a womans natural form cease to be seen as a threat to the very fabric of society?
A man who thinks a young woman should be stoned to death for posting a photograph online is a threat to at least half of society. A young woman posting a photograph online is not a threat to society. Her name is Amina. She is a teenage girl.http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/blog/entry/womens-bodies-cause-of-epidemics-and-disasters
Now, I am not a fan of "nudity for shock value," (in part because while it is still a "spectacle" in the early years of this century, it doesn't really shock so much, anymore) and if this young woman were my child, I would urge her to find another way. That said, she's not my kid, and even if her form of protest is not 'my' style, I can admire her guts to stand up for a cause that she believes in (and that is a very basic cause--one that most normal humans don't take ANY issue with), she is a sentient adult able to make her own decisions. And she's done that. AND she's accepted the consequences.
So why are you still so outraged? And, bluntly--why should anyone care if you are outraged? I certainly don't care if this upsets you--that's life, we all see things we don't care for in this world. Your angry denunciations of this young woman haven't shifted my view of her one bit. In fact, the more you gripe about this criminal graffiti artist who dares go up against the sexist shitheels in her country, the more I find reason to admire her. She's clearly gotten under your skin, so that's a start. Maybe she'll really discombobulate the status quo in her neck of the woods.
I think she's possessed of real courage.
WAAAAAAH!
I am not "supporting" vandalism--I'm simply saying this woman -- unlike those Starbucks taggers--made her protest in public in front of cameras. She was prepared to accept the consequences, as the video that you provided documents.
When those "some 'anarchists'" of which you speak take off their silly little ski masks, stop breaking windows, and smile for the camera while they wait to be arrested, we can talk, and we can call their actions the equivalent of what this woman did.
The two instances are not at all the same, but good effort attempting to convolute them! Anyone not paying attention might buy that weak sauce!
And as for that wall, if you actually think it --or those fancy lightposts, or that plaza--was constructed when the original mosque was built, I have a bridge for sale in Washington State. Walls are walls--they aren't part and parcel of the heritage site. The masjid itself is the thing that is protected, not the surrounding infrastructure. If someone sprays graffiti on the gift shop or the food cart near the Pyramids, are they "defacing a world heritage site?" Of course not. But whatever...do continue on with the outrage!
Here, since you plainly want to be offended, let me give you some graffiti in Tunis to really be offended about:

A Tunisian teenager is receiving death threats for her public support of the feminist protest group Femen, started in Ukraine and famous for its topless protests. The graffiti seen here is in Tunis. (Lauren Wolfe)
Why are we so desperately afraid of the power of womens bodies that we have weaponized them? What does it mean to a young girl growing up in this world to learn that her body is considered so dangerous that to reveal it could lead to epidemics and disasters and may be punishable by death?
It is part of the othering of women in society that leads to such anger and criticism of the sexuality and appearance of their bodies, as if they are so dangerous as to be somehow responsible for all sexual acts. So women around the world are blamed for their clothing, their curves, and their appearance when they suffer sexualized violence, instead of indignation and anger being directed towards their attackers. So a 15-year-old rape victim is sentenced to public flogging for having sex outside marriage. So a teenager in Steubenville, Ohio, is ridiculed, blamed, and threatened when she is raped and urinated on and the assaults are shared across social media. So the victim of a convicted rapist in the UK is named and blamed on Twitter so many times that her name starts trending and she has to change her identity.
When will we stop condemning the bodies and behavior of women and consider the behavior of those who threaten, silence, and attack them? When will the very sight of a womans natural form cease to be seen as a threat to the very fabric of society?
A man who thinks a young woman should be stoned to death for posting a photograph online is a threat to at least half of society. A young woman posting a photograph online is not a threat to society. Her name is Amina. She is a teenage girl.
Now, I am not a fan of "nudity for shock value," (in part because while it is still a "spectacle" in the early years of this century, it doesn't really shock so much, anymore) and if this young woman were my child, I would urge her to find another way. That said, she's not my kid, and even if her form of protest is not 'my' style, I can admire her guts to stand up for a cause that she believes in (and that is a very basic cause--one that most normal humans don't take ANY issue with), she is a sentient adult able to make her own decisions. And she's done that. AND she's accepted the consequences.
So why are you still so outraged? And, bluntly--why should anyone care if you are outraged? I certainly don't care if this upsets you--that's life, we all see things we don't care for in this world. Your angry denunciations of this young woman haven't shifted my view of her one bit. In fact, the more you gripe about this criminal graffiti artist who dares go up against the sexist shitheels in her country, the more I find reason to admire her. She's clearly gotten under your skin, so that's a start. Maybe she'll really discombobulate the status quo in her neck of the woods.
I think she's possessed of real courage.
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Amina Tyler/Sboui writes grafitti on World Heritage site mosque, gets arrested [View all]
HiPointDem
May 2013
OP
It is odd the the BBC link fails to mention the cemetary wall being vandalised.
dipsydoodle
May 2013
#1
there's only one 'wall' there, and it's the wall surrounding the mosque or the very short wall
HiPointDem
May 2013
#36
it's a 'wall' surrounding an ancient graveyard beside the mosque, within the mosque complex, a
HiPointDem
May 2013
#39
ps: no idea why she was initially styled "tyler". i haven't read anything about it being because
HiPointDem
May 2013
#12
Your crazy CT about Amina's links to CIA, World Bank, etc. didn't mention that FEMEN is also
idwiyo
May 2013
#8
i didn't write any OP like that. neither did i get any of the information from any site like that.
HiPointDem
May 2013
#9
Your CT about Amina's links to CIA, etc fits right in with the rest of the CTs about FEMEN links
idwiyo
May 2013
#10
You forgot about all your posts where you kept pointing that her last name is Tyler?
idwiyo
May 2013
#15
1. i remember posts where i speculated about whether she had a foreign husband or father.
HiPointDem
May 2013
#32
Speculating that her father could be a foreigner with the last name like Tyler, bringing up
idwiyo
May 2013
#73
It should ring a Bell--this CT. All it lacks is Bill Gates, Detroit, and North Korea. nt
msanthrope
May 2013
#17
I am sure Bill Gates is implicated in it one way or another. Wouldn't be surprised if Dear Leader
idwiyo
May 2013
#26
Sure he would! It's the only way he can buy yellow cake from Africa - pay FEMEN to overthrow
idwiyo
May 2013
#30
OMG! I think we uncovered GLOBAL conspiracy! THANK YOU for pointing connection to Iran and
idwiyo
May 2013
#60
+1. We should be asking that people spreading this shit on DU get exiled to the Dungeon. n/t
backscatter712
May 2013
#19
Well, this OP should ring a Bell, so if we have a Zombie Dungeon, yeah...n t
msanthrope
May 2013
#27
"Thanks for this excellent post." Did you copy-and-paste this all by yourself? n/t
backscatter712
May 2013
#25
Sheesh, are you ever going to grow up and start mindlessly obeying existing institutional authority?
Zorra
May 2013
#37
yes, far better to defy it mindlessly and give fuel to the fundies when the country is in danger of
HiPointDem
May 2013
#40
Really? You want us to be good little Democrats and appease right wingers yet again?
Zorra
May 2013
#46
provocations bring recruits to the right. there are other ways to defy them that don't.
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#95
why are *you* so outraged? you just can't stop. i really admire the work our people are doing
HiPointDem
May 2013
#49
you're getting boring. just smoke. goodbye, i'll leave the thread to you & your buddies.
HiPointDem
May 2013
#57
Hmm, woman does act of political theater/civil disobedience, pays price.
Comrade Grumpy
May 2013
#24
I notice that you've made your points without stooping to insult anyone who might have a different
redqueen
May 2013
#31
That's one hell of a nasty website. Mind you, it's tame to compare it to some other shit I saw
idwiyo
May 2013
#70
Wow. This OP is... well. I don't know whether to be flattered you went to all this trouble
riderinthestorm
May 2013
#78
Can you please stop inventing bullshit to be outraged about? Is't there enough problems IRL for you?
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#81
Amina is sending messages through dyeing her hair blond and wearing shorts? Are you OK?
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#86
once again what is "breast feed revolution" ? It's a clear cut question. Why avoid it?
bettyellen
Jun 2013
#87
No, but I did get the impression that Femen did. Blonde, lots of makeup, daisy dukes, no flab...
bettyellen
Jun 2013
#90
I forgot ~ The breastfeed revolution is women being allowed to expose their breasts and feed their
Zorra
Jun 2013
#85
Wow, never heard of it. My initial impression was that it was a bad translation!
bettyellen
Jun 2013
#89