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MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. There you go again!
Fri May 31, 2013, 04:11 PM
May 2013
i'll remember your support for vandalism next time some 'anarchists' start spraypainting starbucks. funny i never see you guys defending those instances.


WAAAAAAH!

I am not "supporting" vandalism--I'm simply saying this woman -- unlike those Starbucks taggers--made her protest in public in front of cameras. She was prepared to accept the consequences, as the video that you provided documents.

When those "some 'anarchists'" of which you speak take off their silly little ski masks, stop breaking windows, and smile for the camera while they wait to be arrested, we can talk, and we can call their actions the equivalent of what this woman did.

The two instances are not at all the same, but good effort attempting to convolute them! Anyone not paying attention might buy that weak sauce!

And as for that wall, if you actually think it --or those fancy lightposts, or that plaza--was constructed when the original mosque was built, I have a bridge for sale in Washington State. Walls are walls--they aren't part and parcel of the heritage site. The masjid itself is the thing that is protected, not the surrounding infrastructure. If someone sprays graffiti on the gift shop or the food cart near the Pyramids, are they "defacing a world heritage site?" Of course not. But whatever...do continue on with the outrage!

Here, since you plainly want to be offended, let me give you some graffiti in Tunis to really be offended about:


A Tunisian teenager is receiving death threats for her public support of the feminist protest group Femen, started in Ukraine and famous for its topless protests. The graffiti seen here is in Tunis. (Lauren Wolfe)

Why are we so desperately afraid of the power of women’s bodies that we have weaponized them? What does it mean to a young girl growing up in this world to learn that her body is considered so dangerous that to reveal it could lead to “epidemics and disasters” and may be punishable by death?

It is part of the “othering” of women in society that leads to such anger and criticism of the sexuality and appearance of their bodies, as if they are so dangerous as to be somehow responsible for all sexual acts. So women around the world are blamed for their clothing, their curves, and their appearance when they suffer sexualized violence, instead of indignation and anger being directed towards their attackers. So a 15-year-old rape victim is sentenced to public flogging for having sex outside marriage. So a teenager in Steubenville, Ohio, is ridiculed, blamed, and threatened when she is raped and urinated on and the assaults are shared across social media. So the victim of a convicted rapist in the UK is named and blamed on Twitter so many times that her name starts “trending” and she has to change her identity.

When will we stop condemning the bodies and behavior of women and consider the behavior of those who threaten, silence, and attack them? When will the very sight of a woman’s natural form cease to be seen as a threat to the very fabric of society?

A man who thinks a young woman should be stoned to death for posting a photograph online is a threat to at least half of society. A young woman posting a photograph online is not a threat to society. Her name is Amina. She is a teenage girl.
http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/blog/entry/womens-bodies-cause-of-epidemics-and-disasters


Now, I am not a fan of "nudity for shock value," (in part because while it is still a "spectacle" in the early years of this century, it doesn't really shock so much, anymore) and if this young woman were my child, I would urge her to find another way. That said, she's not my kid, and even if her form of protest is not 'my' style, I can admire her guts to stand up for a cause that she believes in (and that is a very basic cause--one that most normal humans don't take ANY issue with), she is a sentient adult able to make her own decisions. And she's done that. AND she's accepted the consequences.

So why are you still so outraged? And, bluntly--why should anyone care if you are outraged? I certainly don't care if this upsets you--that's life, we all see things we don't care for in this world. Your angry denunciations of this young woman haven't shifted my view of her one bit. In fact, the more you gripe about this criminal graffiti artist who dares go up against the sexist shitheels in her country, the more I find reason to admire her. She's clearly gotten under your skin, so that's a start. Maybe she'll really discombobulate the status quo in her neck of the woods.

I think she's possessed of real courage.

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It is odd the the BBC link fails to mention the cemetary wall being vandalised. dipsydoodle May 2013 #1
I thought the "Tyler" was a nickname, because she looked like Liv. MADem May 2013 #2
Her 'style' is defacing 1500 year old buildings? How interesting. HiPointDem May 2013 #4
Have you ever been to the Middle East or Northwest Africa? MADem May 2013 #6
i didn't notice any on this mosque. HiPointDem May 2013 #7
First and foremost, she wrote on a WALL. Not a MADem May 2013 #33
there's only one 'wall' there, and it's the wall surrounding the mosque or the very short wall HiPointDem May 2013 #36
Good--we've gotten you to acknowledge that it's a wall. MADem May 2013 #38
it's a 'wall' surrounding an ancient graveyard beside the mosque, within the mosque complex, a HiPointDem May 2013 #39
And if she wanted to spray paint the wall of a world heritage site MADem May 2013 #47
'NEAR an historical site' = lol. HiPointDem May 2013 #48
Glad you find it funny. You're still dead wrong. nt MADem May 2013 #51
heckuva job HiPointDem May 2013 #53
Temper, temper, now! MADem May 2013 #55
Speaking of inferring - why are Feman and Amina inferring R B Garr May 2013 #59
Well, they are trying to get attention for their cause. MADem May 2013 #61
Look at the FEMEN photo... JimDandy May 2013 #75
The vid: all those people, not a woman in sight except for her. delrem May 2013 #71
ps: no idea why she was initially styled "tyler". i haven't read anything about it being because HiPointDem May 2013 #12
Not even close... Pelican Jun 2013 #84
The hate here by some for this young woman is repugnant cali May 2013 #3
you seem to be laboring under a big misconception. self-chosen, however. HiPointDem May 2013 #5
+1. Haters gonna hate. backscatter712 May 2013 #18
Your crazy CT about Amina's links to CIA, World Bank, etc. didn't mention that FEMEN is also idwiyo May 2013 #8
i didn't write any OP like that. neither did i get any of the information from any site like that. HiPointDem May 2013 #9
Your CT about Amina's links to CIA, etc fits right in with the rest of the CTs about FEMEN links idwiyo May 2013 #10
link me to the post where i talk about cia. or any of that other stuff. HiPointDem May 2013 #11
You forgot about all your posts where you kept pointing that her last name is Tyler? idwiyo May 2013 #15
1. i remember posts where i speculated about whether she had a foreign husband or father. HiPointDem May 2013 #32
Speculating that her father could be a foreigner with the last name like Tyler, bringing up idwiyo May 2013 #73
Good grief--now I am understanding the outrage and upset. MADem May 2013 #52
what's pathetic is you & your friends' smear tactics. HiPointDem May 2013 #54
I speak only the truth, and it sets me free. MADem May 2013 #56
It should ring a Bell--this CT. All it lacks is Bill Gates, Detroit, and North Korea. nt msanthrope May 2013 #17
I am sure Bill Gates is implicated in it one way or another. Wouldn't be surprised if Dear Leader idwiyo May 2013 #26
Our Dear Leader would never! support Femen! nt msanthrope May 2013 #29
Sure he would! It's the only way he can buy yellow cake from Africa - pay FEMEN to overthrow idwiyo May 2013 #30
So the anti-Femen posts are COINTELPRO? The Illuminati? I need a msanthrope May 2013 #34
This sounds BONDIAN....James Bondian! MADem May 2013 #35
OMG! I think we uncovered GLOBAL conspiracy! THANK YOU for pointing connection to Iran and idwiyo May 2013 #60
+1. We should be asking that people spreading this shit on DU get exiled to the Dungeon. n/t backscatter712 May 2013 #19
I wish they were. This CT is definitely one of the crazier ones I saw so far. idwiyo May 2013 #22
Well, this OP should ring a Bell, so if we have a Zombie Dungeon, yeah...n t msanthrope May 2013 #27
Amina certainly has an instinct for raising awareness of the inequality of women Zorra May 2013 #13
another of the usual suspects heard from. HiPointDem May 2013 #14
Yes. You are. n/t backscatter712 May 2013 #20
What is this, third grade? Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #28
I'll be your huckleberry. Zorra May 2013 #21
Thanks for this excellent post. It seemed blatant to me the manipulation R B Garr May 2013 #16
"Thanks for this excellent post." Did you copy-and-paste this all by yourself? n/t backscatter712 May 2013 #25
Sheesh, are you ever going to grow up and start mindlessly obeying existing institutional authority? Zorra May 2013 #37
yes, far better to defy it mindlessly and give fuel to the fundies when the country is in danger of HiPointDem May 2013 #40
Really? You want us to be good little Democrats and appease right wingers yet again? Zorra May 2013 #46
Fuck appeasing the fundies. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #92
provocations bring recruits to the right. there are other ways to defy them that don't. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #95
And a thank you for finally calling what she's doing what it really is R B Garr May 2013 #43
That was sarcasm. Sorry if that was not clear to you; I'm always forgetting Zorra May 2013 #45
Okay. Thanks for the background R B Garr May 2013 #66
Defacing World Heritage Sites is a big no-no. LuvNewcastle May 2013 #23
She didn't deface a World Heritage site, though. MADem May 2013 #41
the graveyard is part of the mosque complex. so yes, she did. HiPointDem May 2013 #42
There you go again! MADem May 2013 #44
why are *you* so outraged? you just can't stop. i really admire the work our people are doing HiPointDem May 2013 #49
Because you're mischaracterizing this woman's actions. MADem May 2013 #50
you're getting boring. just smoke. goodbye, i'll leave the thread to you & your buddies. HiPointDem May 2013 #57
I am not getting "boring." I'm ripping your argument to shreds. MADem May 2013 #64
What's amazing is that there's a woman in the picture, delrem May 2013 #72
The photographer might be her male escort. n/t JimDandy May 2013 #76
I suspect the larger point is that she'd be wearing a MADem May 2013 #77
Hmm, woman does act of political theater/civil disobedience, pays price. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #24
Pretty much. Brigid May 2013 #58
I notice that you've made your points without stooping to insult anyone who might have a different redqueen May 2013 #31
"I think it's to provoke and to give ammunition to the far right. Zorra May 2013 #62
People in another thread were being nasty for no reason. redqueen May 2013 #65
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but why bring that shit here? MADem May 2013 #67
Because I appreciated the lack of nastiness. redqueen May 2013 #68
Well, the snide insinuations to "the usual suspects" are hardly the high road. MADem May 2013 #69
Here's what I mean: "Femen is financed by a Jew" Zorra May 2013 #63
That's one hell of a nasty website. Mind you, it's tame to compare it to some other shit I saw idwiyo May 2013 #70
you're the only one posting such crap. nasty slimy smear tactics. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #96
Looks like others have defaced that same spot on the wall JimDandy May 2013 #74
Wow. This OP is... well. I don't know whether to be flattered you went to all this trouble riderinthestorm May 2013 #78
FFS, Hannah... SidDithers May 2013 #79
what is "“breast feed revolution” supposed to mean? bettyellen May 2013 #80
Can you please stop inventing bullshit to be outraged about? Is't there enough problems IRL for you? idwiyo Jun 2013 #81
so you have no idea either, huh? bettyellen Jun 2013 #82
Amina is sending messages through dyeing her hair blond and wearing shorts? Are you OK? idwiyo Jun 2013 #86
once again what is "breast feed revolution" ? It's a clear cut question. Why avoid it? bettyellen Jun 2013 #87
See post #85 below, if you can, but I suspect I may be on your ignore list. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #88
I just did, thank you. Not big on ignore, unless I get nasty PMs, LOL. bettyellen Jun 2013 #91
Do you believe that everyone should act and dress just like you? Zorra Jun 2013 #83
No, but I did get the impression that Femen did. Blonde, lots of makeup, daisy dukes, no flab... bettyellen Jun 2013 #90
I forgot ~ The breastfeed revolution is women being allowed to expose their breasts and feed their Zorra Jun 2013 #85
Wow, never heard of it. My initial impression was that it was a bad translation! bettyellen Jun 2013 #89
The translation is simply missing the plural "s" on breast. As in Zorra Jun 2013 #93
Ahh, I was thinking it more an iffy translation of nourish or help grow. bettyellen Jun 2013 #94
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