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Showing Original Post only (View all)We Fucked the Jetstream...BIG TIME..... [View all]
Last edited Sat Jun 1, 2013, 09:23 AM - Edit history (2)
Our Too-Clever-By-Half attempt to mitigate Climate Change by doubling down on our Faustian Bargain has taken a BAD situation with the jetstream and made it UNREAL.
How? What?
The Jetstream is screwed because we took this:

and turned it into this:

Source:
http://skepticalscience.com/jetstream-guide.html#climate
November 1st LAST YEAR I posted this:
We're already doing poorman's GeoEngineering...
The US is switching from Coal to Fracked Methane. Meanwhile, the Coal is being shipped to China where it will be burned with little or no smokestack cleanup. While this will aggravate an already awful public heath problem in China, the short-lived particulates and sulfur aerosols should mask some of the warming caused by the vast increases in global CO2 levels.
Hansen refers to this in his "Storms of my Grandchildren" as the great Faustian bargain.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1127&pid=27062
The US is switching from Coal to Fracked Methane. Meanwhile, the Coal is being shipped to China where it will be burned with little or no smokestack cleanup. While this will aggravate an already awful public heath problem in China, the short-lived particulates and sulfur aerosols should mask some of the warming caused by the vast increases in global CO2 levels.
Hansen refers to this in his "Storms of my Grandchildren" as the great Faustian bargain.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1127&pid=27062
Dr. Hansen confirms the increase of the Faustian Bargain (but not 'poorman's geoengineering') here:
(On edit: responding to the critique by muriel_volestrangler. See Below.)
Doubling Down on Our Faustian Bargain
Humanity's Faustian climate bargain is well known. Humans have been pumping both greenhouse gases (mainly CO2) and aerosols (fine particles) into the atmosphere for more than a century. The CO2 accumulates steadily, staying in the climate system for millennia, with a continuously increasing warming effect. Aerosols have a cooling effect (by reducing solar heating of the ground) that depends on the rate that we pump aerosols into the air, because they fall out after about five days.
Aerosol cooling probably reduced global warming by about half over the past century, but the amount is uncertain because global aerosols and their effect on clouds are not measured accurately. Aerosols increased rapidly after World War II as fossil fuel use increased ~5 percent/year with little pollution control (Fig. 1). Aerosol growth slowed in the 1970s with pollution controls in the U.S. and Europe, but accelerated again after ~2000.
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The principal implication of our present analysis relates to the Faustian bargain. Increased short-term masking of greenhouse gas warming by fossil fuel particulate and nitrogen pollution is a "doubling down" of the Faustian bargain, an increase in the stakes. The more we allow the Faustian debt to build, the more unmanageable the eventual consequences will be. Yet globally there are plans to build more than 1,000 coal-fired power plants and plans to develop some of the dirtiest oil sources on the planet. These plans should be vigorously resisted. We are already in a deep hole -- it is time to stop digging.
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Unfortunately, the satellite mission designed for that purpose failed to achieve orbit, suffering precisely the same launch failure as the Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO). Although a replacement OCO mission is in preparation, no replacement aerosol mission is scheduled.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-james-hansen/doubling-down-on-our-faustian-bargain_b_2989535.html
Humanity's Faustian climate bargain is well known. Humans have been pumping both greenhouse gases (mainly CO2) and aerosols (fine particles) into the atmosphere for more than a century. The CO2 accumulates steadily, staying in the climate system for millennia, with a continuously increasing warming effect. Aerosols have a cooling effect (by reducing solar heating of the ground) that depends on the rate that we pump aerosols into the air, because they fall out after about five days.
Aerosol cooling probably reduced global warming by about half over the past century, but the amount is uncertain because global aerosols and their effect on clouds are not measured accurately. Aerosols increased rapidly after World War II as fossil fuel use increased ~5 percent/year with little pollution control (Fig. 1). Aerosol growth slowed in the 1970s with pollution controls in the U.S. and Europe, but accelerated again after ~2000.
....
The principal implication of our present analysis relates to the Faustian bargain. Increased short-term masking of greenhouse gas warming by fossil fuel particulate and nitrogen pollution is a "doubling down" of the Faustian bargain, an increase in the stakes. The more we allow the Faustian debt to build, the more unmanageable the eventual consequences will be. Yet globally there are plans to build more than 1,000 coal-fired power plants and plans to develop some of the dirtiest oil sources on the planet. These plans should be vigorously resisted. We are already in a deep hole -- it is time to stop digging.
.
Unfortunately, the satellite mission designed for that purpose failed to achieve orbit, suffering precisely the same launch failure as the Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO). Although a replacement OCO mission is in preparation, no replacement aerosol mission is scheduled.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-james-hansen/doubling-down-on-our-faustian-bargain_b_2989535.html
So, referring to the second picture above, leave the Arctic 'A lot Warmer' side alone and lower the 'A bit Warmer' side down.
Result: A MASSIVELY screwed jetstream. Weather Weirding on Steroids.
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You might want to think about that "step away from the computer" advice yer own self, "AverageJoe"
villager
May 2013
#2
I'm simply saying that those who freely advise others to "step away from the computer,"
villager
May 2013
#16
I was intending to refer just to Junkdrawer's "Mitigation is making it worse comment".
AverageJoe90
May 2013
#6
Are you really applauding "climate change mitigation" via "The Faustian Bargain"????
Junkdrawer
May 2013
#4
Don't you DARE conflate the switch from coal to natural gas as "The Faustian Bargain"...
Junkdrawer
May 2013
#40
Well, to be honest, I didn't know the whole story behind that, and besides......
AverageJoe90
Jun 2013
#51
All I have to say to you is one word: "Penny-Pritzker". Obama's Mit Romney.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#47
I think the intent was to express that mitigation is enabling further pollution.
mattclearing
Jun 2013
#52
Matt, I think 99% of us share a certain opinion with you, myself included.
AverageJoe90
Jun 2013
#53
Nobody would necessarily HAVE to give up creature comforts because of a switch to green energy.
AverageJoe90
Jun 2013
#72
"We need to shove myths like this, as well as certain other things, aside, and focus only on facts"
Veilex
Jun 2013
#83
Oh, come on--we can play that little back and forth game, but you know what I meant.
MADem
May 2013
#42
The way I describe Sandy - "The eye of a huricane passed by Buffalo on it's way to Canada."
Spitfire of ATJ
May 2013
#22
My prediction (or hope) is that we are heading for an eventual mini-Ice Age. Which will help slow
KittyWampus
May 2013
#21
You do understand that the qualifying word "mini" refers to a geological time line, about 5 centuries
Egalitarian Thug
May 2013
#27
The possible result of too much CO2 in the atmosphere/altered Jet Stream is a mini Ice Age.
KittyWampus
May 2013
#28
Are you *really* claiming that burning coal in China is an attempt to mitigate climate change?
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2013
#61
You're right. Hansen doesn't say that. He says "Doubling Down on our Faustian Bargain"
Junkdrawer
Jun 2013
#63
The Australians were able to kill over 90% of the rabbits with two different agents.
FarCenter
Jun 2013
#79
Interesting. I have often thought about what cutting out the rain forests have done to the climate?
jwirr
Jun 2013
#85
It takes a while to go through, but the Skeptical Science article linked in the OP is excellent.
Junkdrawer
Jun 2013
#86