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Junkdrawer

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63. You're right. Hansen doesn't say that. He says "Doubling Down on our Faustian Bargain"

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #61)

Sat Jun 1, 2013, 09:10 AM

Jun 2013

So, we know it's a horrible idea, but instead of stopping, we're doing more.

There are riots in the streets of China, smokestack cleanup is well established technology, but they STILL build their plants without them. I'm clearly making a leap based on circumstantial evidence here. I would not advise anyone with a reputation to protect to make such a leap without far more evidence.

( On edit: OP adjusted to reflect this. )

And if you wanted to effect Arctic Amplification, you would have to get the aerosols over the poles. And even then, as Arctic Amplification is driven by the melting of ice, which is occurring from above the surface AND below (multiple factors including saline mixing) I'm thinking even THAT would be marginally effective.

But THANKS for making the first reasonable critique of my OP. A breath of fresh air.

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