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hootinholler

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47. There once was a program named TIA

Sat Jun 1, 2013, 11:32 AM

Jun 2013

It was supposed to be dismantled, however I think they just changed the name of it and brought it under the umbrella of the JTTF, which is a fusion of military, federal and local law enforcement forces.

Many think that messaging traffic (including voice) is scanned in near real time for keywords. From limited personal experience I do not think this. There is a very large corpus (likely in the petabyte range, it was terabytes per day when I got the volume numbers) of message traffic that is searchable with some very sophisticated search engine technology. This allows the fusiliers (those working the fusion centers) to play 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon with anyone who comes on the radar. Those whom I have met personally working in that environment are generally authoritarian and are not sympathetic to the notions that OWS espouse.

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FBI started surveillance of Occupy before it occupied [View all] HiPointDem Jun 2013 OP

Wonder how many of he Tea Bagers were under surveillance. WCGreen Jun 2013 #1

Like the ones that actually threaten violence and bring guns to their events?? on point Jun 2013 #2

Not just the FBI cali Jun 2013 #3

as the article goes on to detail HiPointDem Jun 2013 #4

The Center for Media and Democracy did the investigation cali Jun 2013 #6

The apparatus of fascism . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #26

du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #5

This is a surprise? How could a fascist state be otherwise? Downwinder Jun 2013 #7

and here I was, feeling all hopey-changey... KG Jun 2013 #8

It is another John2 Jun 2013 #9

I�m not worried DWinNJ Jun 2013 #10

Or anyone in congress for that matter LeftInTX Jun 2013 #95

to quote Gomer "Surprise!" "Surprise!" "Surprise!" hobbit709 Jun 2013 #11

exactly! tomp Jun 2013 #12

The only solution is to track them. They don't appreciate Downwinder Jun 2013 #13

they should be exposed at every turn. tomp Jun 2013 #22

Yep there is a long history of this. zeemike Jun 2013 #15

You can track them here. We had (have) our own surveillance state deniers who troll this board. leveymg Jun 2013 #29

Those you speak of are not happy that Meta is gone. They are trying to use rhett o rick Jun 2013 #102

"...surveillance, monitoring, and reporting..." OMG, what repressive tactics! randome Jun 2013 #14

Yes because surveillance is so American. zeemike Jun 2013 #16

Hell, no. But when you have large groups of people gathering in public parks... randome Jun 2013 #17

Well then that explains it. zeemike Jun 2013 #18

Fuck the Tea Party, I'm sure they were monitored, too. But no one takes the time to find out. randome Jun 2013 #20

Do you SERIOUSLY contend that "...no one takes the time to find out"... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #25

If no one on the Left wants to take the time to learn whether the TP was treated differently... randome Jun 2013 #27

It's your dog. We're saying they treated the Tea Party differently. Zorra Jun 2013 #39

No, I don't think I'll spend much time trying to prove a negative. randome Jun 2013 #52

Research done. There's no evidence whatsoever. The burden of proof is on you. Zorra Jun 2013 #94

you left out infiltrating also, remember the Church Committee? G_j Jun 2013 #56

That is so last century. Literally. randome Jun 2013 #62

Well it went far beyond monitoring. zeemike Jun 2013 #34

Don't put words in my mouth. 'Dirty radicals'? Really? randome Jun 2013 #45

But you know that is not all they did don't you? zeemike Jun 2013 #50

The irony is that you fit the very outlook you posit for me. randome Jun 2013 #54

Well that is what is sounds like to me...reading what you write. zeemike Jun 2013 #60

Honestly, I don't think anyone 'gets' that. randome Jun 2013 #64

Well what happened in the 60s did serve as an example zeemike Jun 2013 #73

Why is military intelligence, DHS, and the FBI "keeping an eye" on people camped out in parks? leveymg Jun 2013 #30

Maybe because OWS had much greater numbers of people involved than the TP. randome Jun 2013 #44

Any photos of Tea Baggers being beaten nearly to death by law enforcement? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #53

I will never defend unnecessary force. And there was too much of that. randome Jun 2013 #58

Really? Why did no one ask the armed Tea Baggers who attended Obama rallies to 'disperse'? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #65

'Right to gather' is not the same as setting up tents and kitchens in other people's parks. randome Jun 2013 #69

So tents are more threatening than guns? And where is there a limit placed on how long sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #70

Again, many local residents did not want THEIR parks and THEIR cities occupied indefinitely. randome Jun 2013 #75

80% of NYers when polled, supported OWS in Zuccotti Park. Not that a few disgruntled sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #78

And we have the authoritarian response. The protestors deserved the treatment they got. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #91

Neither of us should need to justify our liberal bona-fides. randome Jun 2013 #93

Excuse me, but your response seems to be an evasion of the question. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #96

I only asked because it seems to me that you choose the authoritarian side rhett o rick Jun 2013 #99

I am 100% behind the goals of OWS -when the wind blows right and they protest coherently. randome Jun 2013 #101

I'm sorry, but THAT IS SUCH BULLSHIT......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #104

So you think shouting loudly on Wall Street is going to make a difference? randome Jun 2013 #105

It's either shouting or shooting. Not many quite ready to cross that bridge, as yet. leveymg Jun 2013 #106

I just thought of another way to put this. randome Jun 2013 #107

it is the old normal. nt tomp Jun 2013 #23

Ah, that putrid smell of Borglike anti-Occupy fascism in the morning. Zorra Jun 2013 #19

What, you think I'm going to insist that LE did not do some despicable things? Not at all. randome Jun 2013 #21

Maybe the FBI will be starting surveillance early on the next Farm Aid charity concert too. Zorra Jun 2013 #24

OWS succeeded and is still succeeding. So that isn't part of the argument. No one here believes sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #74

Who was assaulted by the Tea Party? randome Jun 2013 #77

Are you serious? You have so much to say about OWS and all of its 'faults' sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #81

So anyone who behaves atrociously is automatically part of the Tea Party? randome Jun 2013 #84

Keep defending the Tea Party and attacking OWS. Your avoidance of the questions sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #87

No, only if it really is the Tea Party. See the fixed link in my previous comment. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #89

OWS not only succeded, but is now a cultural revolution Rex Jun 2013 #88

One has to wonder hootinholler Jun 2013 #28

+1 ucrdem Jun 2013 #31

No. If you want to go to origins, and how they're dealt with, look at these groups: leveymg Jun 2013 #33

People-powered movements ucrdem Jun 2013 #35

p.s. those are NOT pictures of Occupy. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #36

Occupy's great-grandfathers leveymg Jun 2013 #42

Hoover sent the army, Roosevelt sent his wife. n/t hootinholler Jun 2013 #48

On second glance, are you suggesting that OWS was preemptive of something bigger? leveymg Jun 2013 #38

Not exactly preemptive, more like a faded iteration. ucrdem Jun 2013 #40

Awesome journal! ucrdem Jun 2013 #41

I still have people from Eastern Europe emailing me about that one. leveymg Jun 2013 #46

I can see why. ucrdem Jun 2013 #51

Okhrana seems to have had several sources of inspiration (and allegiance) , but the figure who leveymg Jun 2013 #59

He married into the job, from1554-58 it looks like. ucrdem Jun 2013 #66

I always chuckle when the Brits claim that England was never conquered or ruled by foreigners. leveymg Jun 2013 #71

If there is one thing that the Brits do well, it is that they maintain their sense of history. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #82

That's a keeper. ucrdem Jun 2013 #85

Very good question. leveymg Jun 2013 #32

You got it. zeemike Jun 2013 #37

There once was a program named TIA hootinholler Jun 2013 #47

TIA was a diversion or just a minor competitor. Thin Thread went operational. leveymg Jun 2013 #49

My understanding is hootinholler Jun 2013 #61

TIA started as a DARPA-DIA project. NSA is the corpus for practically everyone else in the IC. leveymg Jun 2013 #68

I was referring to National Ground Intelligence Center (NGIC) there. My bad. leveymg Jun 2013 #76

I think it would be more accurate to say the NSA corpus is the source for others use. hootinholler Jun 2013 #79

See my response to your comment, immediately above. leveymg Jun 2013 #86

You forced me to look it up myself, darn you! ;-) leveymg Jun 2013 #83

IIRC there was a rather infamous Madam with a thick black book hootinholler Jun 2013 #97

How did I miss that '07 thread? The commments in the thread are timeless. Get this: "Waxman is leveymg Jun 2013 #100

The governments fear of critical thinking citizens was on display. Rex Jun 2013 #90

Seattle National Lawyers Guild: Report on WTO Ministerial G_j Jun 2013 #43

Great post. Zorra Jun 2013 #72

Well since Adbusters magazine sent out a "communique" to readers calling for the ACTION Generic Other Jun 2013 #55

yes it's visible, and nicely done, watching it now nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #63

Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #67

For the FBI or other Agencies surveiling this site, I just want to confirm you're doing a great job. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #80

They sit back and let the Tea Party yell about armed revolution Rex Jun 2013 #92

Of course. The "tea party" are the Koch brothers' activism PAC Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #98

FBI soon to be headed by a felon and a torturer and not many care Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #103