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mick063

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21. Very well put

Sat Jun 1, 2013, 11:32 AM

Jun 2013

We think very much alike.

So now the question is..........

How do we overcome this?

Several things must change soon. FOX News (and when I say FOX, I mean it as a representative sample of broader media propaganda) must be discredited at every opportunity.

This has become a war of educating the population and we must get collectively better at it than FOX is. Time to hone up on your speaking/writing skills. Time to educate yourself to provide credible debate.

But more importantly, time to have the courage to speak up. Time to thicken your skin and speak to groups that may outnumber you. The folks on DU are sympathetic, but they are not the targeted audience. Time to take on a rougher crowd.

Be professional, not personal. Back up your argument with facts. People on the defensive will not listen to you.

Be relentless. Be a good diplomat. Represent your cause well or you may be doing more harm than good.

Not lecturing the OP who obviously has his "ducks in a row", but to folks in general that wish to change our course.

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Can We Just Agree that Everything is Fake? The American Aristocracy is Real. [View all] blur256 Jun 2013 OP

Great post. Bonobo Jun 2013 #1

Thank you. blur256 Jun 2013 #2

Thanks for the Carlin and Zappa quotes 90-percent Jun 2013 #13

+1000 for the Carlin video corkhead Jun 2013 #29

Speak the truth ...and get laughs. L0oniX Jun 2013 #38

I have posted that video... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #73

Rich people are social terrorists. L0oniX Jun 2013 #39

It's becoming more and more obvious that it's a zero sum game tularetom Jun 2013 #3

Exactly. blur256 Jun 2013 #6

In the 90s the biggest fear from the rich was,... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #11

1965 90-percent Jun 2013 #15

Not "on the verge of." There's been a permanent aristocracy in America since the 1870s, if not leveymg Jun 2013 #4

It only makes sense that the laws protect them, blur256 Jun 2013 #7

Thank you, leveymg. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #25

Correct. Everything is fake, and it couldn't be done without organized religion. nt valerief Jun 2013 #5

Correct. blur256 Jun 2013 #8

Quite right Populist_Prole Jun 2013 #28

Astute observation. +1 n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #82

The Matrix? Great post, thanks! nt Zorra Jun 2013 #9

K&R x 10000000000!!!!!!!! This is what I have been saying here and I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!!!! Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #10

I definitely agree with you. blur256 Jun 2013 #14

Complete Campaign Finance Reform! I am totally with you. nt caledesi Jun 2013 #16

Publicly funded only elections is the goal. canoeist52 Jun 2013 #18

Bueller...Bueller....Bueller retired rooster Jun 2013 #24

Let's say you have campaign finance reform. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #43

The 1st Amendment already has reasonable restrictions for several things, it is against the law Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #62

How in the world would you devise "reasonable restrictions" on First Amendment JDPriestly Jun 2013 #65

Sounds good but first we must secure our election system. Without free and fair elections rhett o rick Jun 2013 #70

We fix it by doing whatever it is we can do. Movements take years or grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #12

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #17

I do not advocate violence blur256 Jun 2013 #19

I understand and I've always felt the same as you...up until the last few years. BlueJazz Jun 2013 #20

I advocate nonviolence, myself. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #26

Thank you. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #44

I agree. The Ruling Elite would like nothing better than violence which will justify rhett o rick Jun 2013 #71

Well, nonviolent protest is just as likely to be met with repression. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #74

Exactly. In India the police, under British rule, who were Indians, got to a point where rhett o rick Jun 2013 #75

North Carolina's "Moral Mondays" are an example. KoKo Jun 2013 #88

As was Wisconsin, as is the Occupy movement. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #91

WRONG!!!!!!!! You don't solve a systemic problem by...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #30

And that worked out so well for everybody... bhikkhu Jun 2013 #35

Yep. Thank you Joe Stalin...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #37

+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #36

Very well put mick063 Jun 2013 #21

Excellent post. Totally agree. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #64

Yes. Thank you for saying this. freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #22

I probably should have put a sarcasm icon next to that blur256 Jun 2013 #23

Oh, looks like I missed something. Well, I get it now. nt freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #27

The parties are permitted to differ on certain social issues-- Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #31

So Marx and Engels were correct after all??????? socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #32

Everything is Bullshit - George Carlin L0oniX Jun 2013 #33

Sure, everything is fake bhikkhu Jun 2013 #34

I'm glad that your life is going well. blur256 Jun 2013 #41

But that's just it - what is effective? bhikkhu Jun 2013 #46

Enjoy the dream while it lasts. hunter Jun 2013 #45

The difference between a healthy equity and an unfair system is a few percentage points bhikkhu Jun 2013 #47

I totally agree with you blur256 Jun 2013 #55

The problem the USA faces is "clawing back" the wealth. hunter Jun 2013 #59

If I had to invent a movement, it would be something like "conscientious consumerism" bhikkhu Jun 2013 #72

Right on brother! Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Occulus Jun 2013 #49

Right on cue. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #50

cool response. I truly say +1 graham4anything Jun 2013 #77

Such casual disregard for suffering seems out of place here. Skeeter Barnes Jun 2013 #79

No, I'm not the democratic party, just myself explaining poorly bhikkhu Jun 2013 #80

I don't think people are giving up. You're just taking our dissatisfaction Skeeter Barnes Jun 2013 #85

"Really"? chervilant Jun 2013 #87

Admittedly, that was poorly worded on my part bhikkhu Jun 2013 #92

I've been un- or under-employed for the last five years. chervilant Jun 2013 #93

You may be quite interested in the work of Herman and Chomsky on this... jimlup Jun 2013 #40

+10000 We are deeply and incessantly propagandized, woo me with science Jun 2013 #52

right you are! jimlup Jun 2013 #61

Check out the "do we really need a money system?" thread... hunter Jun 2013 #68

On the verge? We are off the cliff. tblue Jun 2013 #42

No, we can't all agree on that. Silent3 Jun 2013 #48

the sneaky return of feudalism librechik Jun 2013 #51

K and a great big R! Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2013 #53

Google Operation Mockingbird. They say that it has been discontinued. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #54

Just did. And apparently they have not. That's scary. blur256 Jun 2013 #56

Your tax dollars at work. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #57

K & R blur edhopper Jun 2013 #58

wish to? american has had an aristocracy since forever. it's just gotten more blatant in HiPointDem Jun 2013 #60

It was designed that way from the beginning. DevonRex Jun 2013 #63

It'll be "fixed" by people living their lives outside of the norm Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #67

I couldn't agree more. blur256 Jun 2013 #69

No. we cannot agree but it is your right to disagree. graham4anything Jun 2013 #76

Every DUer, every American should read "The Plutonomy Symposium: Rising Tides Lifting Yachts". Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #78

nice...bookmarking for later. KoKo Jun 2013 #84

k&r-agree 100% TheUnspeakable Jun 2013 #81

Yep..you nailed much of it... K&R KoKo Jun 2013 #83

Thank you. blur256 Jun 2013 #86

Would of been fixed, but we bailed it out in 2008. Now we wonder. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #89

K&R. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #90