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randome

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101. I am 100% behind the goals of OWS -when the wind blows right and they protest coherently.

Sat Jun 1, 2013, 04:27 PM

Jun 2013

The enemies of OWS will tear the organization down and do whatever they can to diminish it.

The allies of OWS will offer what they consider to be helpful suggestions, such as redirecting the protests to those who are responsible for our current whacked out economy -Congress, not some amorphous enemy such as 'Wall Street'. Such as dropping the ridiculous concept of occupying something and calling that a protest.

Occupying a parcel of land is only good, IMO, when you are trying to bring light to forest devastation or endangered species. OWS will never have any significant traction if they want to camp out in public parks and call that a 'protest'.

A lot of time and energy has been wasted on shaming 'Wall Street' into behaving better. You cannot shame the rich or corporations. Corporations, especially, are not people so to approach them as such seems ridiculous in the extreme, IMO.

And the rich? They are not threatened by OWS. Not in the slightest, from what I can see.

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FBI started surveillance of Occupy before it occupied [View all] HiPointDem Jun 2013 OP

Wonder how many of he Tea Bagers were under surveillance. WCGreen Jun 2013 #1

Like the ones that actually threaten violence and bring guns to their events?? on point Jun 2013 #2

Not just the FBI cali Jun 2013 #3

as the article goes on to detail HiPointDem Jun 2013 #4

The Center for Media and Democracy did the investigation cali Jun 2013 #6

The apparatus of fascism . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #26

du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #5

This is a surprise? How could a fascist state be otherwise? Downwinder Jun 2013 #7

and here I was, feeling all hopey-changey... KG Jun 2013 #8

It is another John2 Jun 2013 #9

I�m not worried DWinNJ Jun 2013 #10

Or anyone in congress for that matter LeftInTX Jun 2013 #95

to quote Gomer "Surprise!" "Surprise!" "Surprise!" hobbit709 Jun 2013 #11

exactly! tomp Jun 2013 #12

The only solution is to track them. They don't appreciate Downwinder Jun 2013 #13

they should be exposed at every turn. tomp Jun 2013 #22

Yep there is a long history of this. zeemike Jun 2013 #15

You can track them here. We had (have) our own surveillance state deniers who troll this board. leveymg Jun 2013 #29

Those you speak of are not happy that Meta is gone. They are trying to use rhett o rick Jun 2013 #102

"...surveillance, monitoring, and reporting..." OMG, what repressive tactics! randome Jun 2013 #14

Yes because surveillance is so American. zeemike Jun 2013 #16

Hell, no. But when you have large groups of people gathering in public parks... randome Jun 2013 #17

Well then that explains it. zeemike Jun 2013 #18

Fuck the Tea Party, I'm sure they were monitored, too. But no one takes the time to find out. randome Jun 2013 #20

Do you SERIOUSLY contend that "...no one takes the time to find out"... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #25

If no one on the Left wants to take the time to learn whether the TP was treated differently... randome Jun 2013 #27

It's your dog. We're saying they treated the Tea Party differently. Zorra Jun 2013 #39

No, I don't think I'll spend much time trying to prove a negative. randome Jun 2013 #52

Research done. There's no evidence whatsoever. The burden of proof is on you. Zorra Jun 2013 #94

you left out infiltrating also, remember the Church Committee? G_j Jun 2013 #56

That is so last century. Literally. randome Jun 2013 #62

Well it went far beyond monitoring. zeemike Jun 2013 #34

Don't put words in my mouth. 'Dirty radicals'? Really? randome Jun 2013 #45

But you know that is not all they did don't you? zeemike Jun 2013 #50

The irony is that you fit the very outlook you posit for me. randome Jun 2013 #54

Well that is what is sounds like to me...reading what you write. zeemike Jun 2013 #60

Honestly, I don't think anyone 'gets' that. randome Jun 2013 #64

Well what happened in the 60s did serve as an example zeemike Jun 2013 #73

Why is military intelligence, DHS, and the FBI "keeping an eye" on people camped out in parks? leveymg Jun 2013 #30

Maybe because OWS had much greater numbers of people involved than the TP. randome Jun 2013 #44

Any photos of Tea Baggers being beaten nearly to death by law enforcement? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #53

I will never defend unnecessary force. And there was too much of that. randome Jun 2013 #58

Really? Why did no one ask the armed Tea Baggers who attended Obama rallies to 'disperse'? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #65

'Right to gather' is not the same as setting up tents and kitchens in other people's parks. randome Jun 2013 #69

So tents are more threatening than guns? And where is there a limit placed on how long sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #70

Again, many local residents did not want THEIR parks and THEIR cities occupied indefinitely. randome Jun 2013 #75

80% of NYers when polled, supported OWS in Zuccotti Park. Not that a few disgruntled sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #78

And we have the authoritarian response. The protestors deserved the treatment they got. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #91

Neither of us should need to justify our liberal bona-fides. randome Jun 2013 #93

Excuse me, but your response seems to be an evasion of the question. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #96

I only asked because it seems to me that you choose the authoritarian side rhett o rick Jun 2013 #99

I am 100% behind the goals of OWS -when the wind blows right and they protest coherently. randome Jun 2013 #101

I'm sorry, but THAT IS SUCH BULLSHIT......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #104

So you think shouting loudly on Wall Street is going to make a difference? randome Jun 2013 #105

It's either shouting or shooting. Not many quite ready to cross that bridge, as yet. leveymg Jun 2013 #106

I just thought of another way to put this. randome Jun 2013 #107

it is the old normal. nt tomp Jun 2013 #23

Ah, that putrid smell of Borglike anti-Occupy fascism in the morning. Zorra Jun 2013 #19

What, you think I'm going to insist that LE did not do some despicable things? Not at all. randome Jun 2013 #21

Maybe the FBI will be starting surveillance early on the next Farm Aid charity concert too. Zorra Jun 2013 #24

OWS succeeded and is still succeeding. So that isn't part of the argument. No one here believes sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #74

Who was assaulted by the Tea Party? randome Jun 2013 #77

Are you serious? You have so much to say about OWS and all of its 'faults' sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #81

So anyone who behaves atrociously is automatically part of the Tea Party? randome Jun 2013 #84

Keep defending the Tea Party and attacking OWS. Your avoidance of the questions sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #87

No, only if it really is the Tea Party. See the fixed link in my previous comment. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #89

OWS not only succeded, but is now a cultural revolution Rex Jun 2013 #88

One has to wonder hootinholler Jun 2013 #28

+1 ucrdem Jun 2013 #31

No. If you want to go to origins, and how they're dealt with, look at these groups: leveymg Jun 2013 #33

People-powered movements ucrdem Jun 2013 #35

p.s. those are NOT pictures of Occupy. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #36

Occupy's great-grandfathers leveymg Jun 2013 #42

Hoover sent the army, Roosevelt sent his wife. n/t hootinholler Jun 2013 #48

On second glance, are you suggesting that OWS was preemptive of something bigger? leveymg Jun 2013 #38

Not exactly preemptive, more like a faded iteration. ucrdem Jun 2013 #40

Awesome journal! ucrdem Jun 2013 #41

I still have people from Eastern Europe emailing me about that one. leveymg Jun 2013 #46

I can see why. ucrdem Jun 2013 #51

Okhrana seems to have had several sources of inspiration (and allegiance) , but the figure who leveymg Jun 2013 #59

He married into the job, from1554-58 it looks like. ucrdem Jun 2013 #66

I always chuckle when the Brits claim that England was never conquered or ruled by foreigners. leveymg Jun 2013 #71

If there is one thing that the Brits do well, it is that they maintain their sense of history. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #82

That's a keeper. ucrdem Jun 2013 #85

Very good question. leveymg Jun 2013 #32

You got it. zeemike Jun 2013 #37

There once was a program named TIA hootinholler Jun 2013 #47

TIA was a diversion or just a minor competitor. Thin Thread went operational. leveymg Jun 2013 #49

My understanding is hootinholler Jun 2013 #61

TIA started as a DARPA-DIA project. NSA is the corpus for practically everyone else in the IC. leveymg Jun 2013 #68

I was referring to National Ground Intelligence Center (NGIC) there. My bad. leveymg Jun 2013 #76

I think it would be more accurate to say the NSA corpus is the source for others use. hootinholler Jun 2013 #79

See my response to your comment, immediately above. leveymg Jun 2013 #86

You forced me to look it up myself, darn you! ;-) leveymg Jun 2013 #83

IIRC there was a rather infamous Madam with a thick black book hootinholler Jun 2013 #97

How did I miss that '07 thread? The commments in the thread are timeless. Get this: "Waxman is leveymg Jun 2013 #100

The governments fear of critical thinking citizens was on display. Rex Jun 2013 #90

Seattle National Lawyers Guild: Report on WTO Ministerial G_j Jun 2013 #43

Great post. Zorra Jun 2013 #72

Well since Adbusters magazine sent out a "communique" to readers calling for the ACTION Generic Other Jun 2013 #55

yes it's visible, and nicely done, watching it now nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #63

Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #67

For the FBI or other Agencies surveiling this site, I just want to confirm you're doing a great job. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #80

They sit back and let the Tea Party yell about armed revolution Rex Jun 2013 #92

Of course. The "tea party" are the Koch brothers' activism PAC Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #98

FBI soon to be headed by a felon and a torturer and not many care Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #103