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In reply to the discussion: Seriously, did so many people truly believe that president Obama could change the course.... [View all]patrice
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Seriously, did so many people truly believe that president Obama could change the course.... [View all]
WCGreen
Dec 2011
OP
I'm tired of posts like the OP. How is signing the indefinite detention bill a problem for him?
roguevalley
Dec 2011
#158
yes, obama doesnt have the b pulpit. OWS has been the only thing louder than talk radio last 20 yrs
certainot
Dec 2011
#148
yep..finding ways to break through the wall of noise is paramount right now.
BlancheSplanchnik
Dec 2011
#213
thanks for reminding me- he's a hero for exposing all that although the swiftboating of anita hill
certainot
Dec 2011
#215
President Obama Accomplished A Lot In The Three Years He's Been At The Helm......
global1
Dec 2011
#3
From day#1, what calls itself "the Left" screamed at him to fight AND pulled the rug out
patrice
Dec 2011
#4
This assumes that YOUR definition of "stand up" is THE valid one, even though it
patrice
Dec 2011
#15
No, I seriously believed he would try. That's all. Try, stand up, that's all. (nt)
enough
Dec 2011
#7
Sad to see you buying into this straw-man argument. It was never the speed, it was the direction.
Maven
Dec 2011
#11
There it is. Many will keep pushing the didn't do enough theme just to avoid this
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#16
You guess wrong and quite poorly based on your own preconceptions. I am no Clintonite
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#240
"It was never the speed, it was the direction." Well said. And WTF? Jeff Immelt? nm
rhett o rick
Dec 2011
#163
Fixing this country and changing DC will take at least 3 Presidents, all on the same page.
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#14
Funny how so many harp on how profound the corruption is, but this guy, for some reason, is
patrice
Dec 2011
#17
I think it is wrong to assume there's 1 & only 1 definition of "try" and that definition is 100%
patrice
Dec 2011
#52
Wow, you're almost as good as the Rape-Publicans at saying that nothing means anything...
ClassWarrior
Dec 2011
#58
Your saying that that way, doesn't make anything I said less true. Tell me there's ONE and only one
patrice
Dec 2011
#59
Of course it is. For example, "complex" and "convoluted" may sound similar...
ClassWarrior
Dec 2011
#73
So, reality isn't convoluted? All relationships, especially financial ones, are direct and simple?
patrice
Dec 2011
#78
No that's YOUR theory. I have said elsewhere, the situation is much more complex and convoluted
patrice
Dec 2011
#120
Hpothetical: President gets on tv & makes references to "profound corruption"; what happens next?
patrice
Dec 2011
#125
It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that if the first three are as timid...
ClassWarrior
Dec 2011
#51
Yeah, and no one talks about the difference between experiencing that campaign & being surprised
patrice
Dec 2011
#189
Being surprised, especially as a Senator, is evidence of wrongheaded thinking.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#226
But Fox News promised us he would be the most liberal president in history!
JohnnyRingo
Dec 2011
#21
Faux didn't have to. Obama did plenty to encourage that impression on his own.
ClassWarrior
Dec 2011
#45
I think you misinterpreted his/her post. They were posting what Republicans would say about it
stevenleser
Dec 2011
#165
It's a lot harder than you think to completely purge an administration from the prior one....
WCGreen
Dec 2011
#29
Toxic Financial Sector. You have to get the best possible inside information about their problems &
patrice
Dec 2011
#61
Who would be better? Obviously, those who did not help the crash. Obvious to some.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#131
I want to see the wreckage re-built/recycled into profit-sharing & various forms of co - operatives.
patrice
Dec 2011
#145
I want to see banksters on their way to Texas prisons, without air-conditioning.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#175
"I never believed that president Obama was the Messiah who would take us to the Promised Land"
Bonobo
Dec 2011
#31
GREAT post. Says everything I've felt over the last few years, as I've watched this president
Demit
Dec 2011
#108
Why not "do what's right and . . ?" because his/our enemies CAN punish him by HURTING people.
patrice
Dec 2011
#192
The legislative process is quite a bit more transparent than it was, but still not enough.
patrice
Dec 2011
#55
Like it or not, his job was not to tip the train-wreck teetering on the edge of the cliff
patrice
Dec 2011
#54
Tell me exactly how he could have gotten precisely the PRIVATE BUSINESS information he needed
patrice
Dec 2011
#64
Yeah, once again we're told he's ALL POWERFUL... or he's totally powerless...
ClassWarrior
Dec 2011
#70
Wow. You really do think he's a king. Wonder how the U.S.A. will feel when he orders PRIVATE
patrice
Dec 2011
#80
So you're going to discount the effects of MSM propaganda & commercialism? All Americans have
patrice
Dec 2011
#122
Victimhood again. What about autonomy? Those who do not WANT to be divided will NOT
patrice
Dec 2011
#156
You are assuming that YOU know with 100% validity what to hold him accountable for.
patrice
Dec 2011
#149
So, let it all go over into the abyss and THAT way we'll know for sure what of our financial
patrice
Dec 2011
#66
to be perfectly honest,,,,he is doing pretty much what I expected..I knew he was a centrist
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2011
#65
You need to get a grip on the situation. First of all, the President got an anti-gay guy
akbacchus_BC
Dec 2011
#74
Guess what, to me, this isn't even that much about him. To me, it's about the best chances
patrice
Dec 2011
#76
Bet you know that more people you insure, the cost will be less ... Why the US does not have single
akbacchus_BC
Dec 2011
#79
NOT true. I'm amazed you think he couldn't have done the war better. Assuming it was a given for him
patrice
Dec 2011
#152
It's only rationalizing when the other guy does it. (google Attribution Error in Social Psychology).
patrice
Dec 2011
#195
I mostly agree, although I believe Obama needs to start stepping up and KICKING ASS a little more...
AverageJoe90
Dec 2011
#88
Nobody hear stated changing the country would be as easy as flipping a switch
fascisthunter
Dec 2011
#101
i've seen it implied often. it was primary framing for the RW media as soon as obama got in
certainot
Dec 2011
#151
1+++++++++++++ but I don't know whether to be happy or sad that they're hanging with us.
patrice
Dec 2011
#196
feel free to come out and accuse me of such a thing.... instead of implying it
fascisthunter
Dec 2011
#198
He not only hasn't changed course, he has gone full speed ahead on some of the worst Bush Era abuses
MNBrewer
Dec 2011
#111
I didn't expect an overnight cure-all to 20-30 years of bad policies and bad decisions-
Proud Liberal Dem
Dec 2011
#112
Yeah, he lacked the fortitude and will to just move or start trial proceedings
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#241
Re his getting ripped by Repukes: I think they're getting even for what a miserable fucking piece of
patrice
Dec 2011
#203
No Republicans, racists or otherwise, forced him to choose Timothy Geithner. That just 1 example.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#118
You do understand the nature of our particular corruption, don't you? Republicans aren't
patrice
Dec 2011
#121
Unless you're living completely off of "the grid" & surviving entirely on your own abilities,
patrice
Dec 2011
#144
I voted for him thinking he would try to stand up to that corruption, not use it as an excuse. n/t
totodeinhere
Dec 2011
#140
a lot of new voters fell into the trap of high expectations set by the right media, espec RW radio
certainot
Dec 2011
#154
AND they CAN do a LOT more than just shoot a President, like start more wars and such.
patrice
Dec 2011
#157
I think he is what he does, and a lot of that is substantially the same as Bush
leveymg
Dec 2011
#162
Besides- he cant fire any of the conservatives in his cabinet until we give him 300 Liberal Senators
Dr Fate
Dec 2011
#168
It's not just the numbers the mid-terms didn't produce. It's also the message that sent!
patrice
Dec 2011
#205
If voting for him in 2008 could not change the course, why should we vote for him again?
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#176
Obama is not a LEADER. This country needs a strong ethical compass OPPOSING those who
Beam Me Up
Dec 2011
#179
Ah, the difference no "unrec" can make. It will change DU forever---until they bring it back.
McCamy Taylor
Dec 2011
#181
Obama agrees to two month extension of unemployment and payroll tax cuts for 60 day review of oil
julian09
Dec 2011
#201
No, but most Americans who voted for him thought he would at least put up a fight
MadHound
Dec 2011
#219
I did not expect him to fix it in a short time and I recognize that the rethugs are doing everything
jwirr
Dec 2011
#221
Worse is his position is generally in the neighborhood of where the TeaPubliKlans
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#227
Exactly, if you wanted "Change" you should have voted for a candidate running on that premise.
NorthCarolina
Dec 2011
#233