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71. in 70s movies, it was common for the hero/protagonist to die.

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 05:35 PM

Jun 2013

Easy Rider, Klute, Chinatown, Looking for Mr. Goodbar, etc.

In the 80s, movies were expected to always have an "up" ending. The heroic protagonist had to win, and the bad guys had to lose. This fits into the Reagan mythology where bad/good guys are clearly identified, and the good guys had to win.

Ever since, movies and TV have been dumbed down. I was positive that most people could not handle last night's episode.

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'Game of Thrones' Sparks Intense Reactions [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

That's what they get for not having a book-reading friend with a big mouth. Pragdem Jun 2013 #1

i threw up my hands. did not like it. will have to root for the khaleesi to win the throne. eom ellenfl Jun 2013 #2

Who were you rooting for previously? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #3

the stark family. been a long time fan of sean bean and even tho' he's off the show, ellenfl Jun 2013 #118

don't count the starks out yet WolverineDG Jun 2013 #144

The little Stark girl will get it FreakinDJ Jun 2013 #5

Arya out of your mind? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #12

Nicely played. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #85

Good rhett o rick Jun 2013 #160

I'm still of the opinion that it will end up in the hands of Jon Targaryen...err, Snow Xithras Jun 2013 #74

i agree, you know what's up ;) dionysus Jun 2013 #105

SHHHHH!!!! lapislzi Jun 2013 #123

I dunno. It's a theory like any other. Xithras Jun 2013 #132

shhhhhh MattBaggins Jun 2013 #137

me too WolverineDG Jun 2013 #145

SPOILER: Hodor wins the throne MattBaggins Jun 2013 #136

She'd be quite the progressive monarch, too. nt Pragdem Jun 2013 #9

She is an ineffective little twit on the verge of believing her own nonsense MattBaggins Jun 2013 #138

Don't kid yourself (don't read this post if you haven't read to book 5) lapislzi Jun 2013 #140

She is a killer indeed and a twit. [Spoiler] MattBaggins Jun 2013 #147

She is a Targaryen. Xithras Jun 2013 #158

I finished reading the 5 books about a year ago. I told people not to miss last night 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #4

Next Sunday is the episode I've been waiting for since the end of last season. nt Pragdem Jun 2013 #6

My wife just finished book 4 and has told me to hang on to my hat titaniumsalute Jun 2013 #40

Me too! bravenak Jun 2013 #41

I think we'll only see the latter this season. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #65

What do you expect next episode? NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #94

Everyone who was crying on Sunday will be cheering. lapislzi Jun 2013 #124

They will have to cheer next season Godhumor Jun 2013 #141

Having read the books I thought it was well done alittlelark Jun 2013 #7

I agree with you. It really made me appreciate the job of the screen-writer 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #87

I really tried to get into that show Mz Pip Jun 2013 #8

I got through season 1 but haven't seen any of season 2. ananda Jun 2013 #42

i'm skipping motive because i'm tired of the female casting. ellenfl Jun 2013 #119

The stupidity of the American public never ceases to amaze me. Skidmore Jun 2013 #10

Oh FFS. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #59

No. People who never seem to register Skidmore Jun 2013 #60

I guess. Personally, I'd never heard of the books until I watched Season 1. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #63

yes, but also thrilling to read. the downside.. you're 3 years ahead of the show ;) dionysus Jun 2013 #107

I can deal with that. Waiting for the next book, though, is tough. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #115

I doubt that.. this isn't broadcast TV SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #151

I'm so stupid I never even heard of the game of thrones until this thread. Zorra Jun 2013 #167

Wrong! didact Jun 2013 #174

I am still reading the books but even I knew what was going to happen Gothmog Jun 2013 #11

One of the few episodes that utterly failed to do the book justice. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #13

The Starks time in Kings Landing should have been 3 episodes hootinholler Jun 2013 #18

Indeed. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #23

The episode where we learned that Talisa was pregnant shawn703 Jun 2013 #32

Maybe... I just grew fond of the idea of another stark Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #47

I think the writers were in a bit of a bind. wickerwoman Jun 2013 #154

BWHAHAHAHA! hootinholler Jun 2013 #14

The author's name is George RR Martin. He's 64, not exactly teetering over an open grave. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #16

Aaaarrrrgh! Totally screwed teh pooch with his name. hootinholler Jun 2013 #36

he is, um, large, and his _book_ fan base was agonizing over his Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #49

There was a running joke on the internet NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #92

There's a reason he's known as "The Great Bearded Glacier" Scootaloo Jun 2013 #101

who is james? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #17

If you must know hootinholler Jun 2013 #28

So are the books well written, HappyMe Jun 2013 #21

no, it's nothing like the twilight crap cali Jun 2013 #24

Okay. I didn't want to waste my HappyMe Jun 2013 #26

Very well written. Crafted, even. Marr Jun 2013 #30

I'll head to the library tomorrow HappyMe Jun 2013 #31

I know nothing about Twilight hootinholler Jun 2013 #39

Oh fuck yeah! The Game of Thrones series is damned good! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #64

Many people place The Song of Ice and Fire alongside Tolkien. MattBaggins Jun 2013 #139

Ruthless with characters = courageous writter CincyDem Jun 2013 #80

I highly recommend the books hootinholler Jun 2013 #90

Every Monday morning, I get a recap on the episode. MineralMan Jun 2013 #15

If it does not interest you, why get a recap and then comment about it? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #20

I get a recap because it is interesting to my wife. MineralMan Jun 2013 #25

you're a good guy MM, but don't be dismissive. it's a good show (and better series of books) dionysus Jun 2013 #109

lol, lucky wife! eom ellenfl Jun 2013 #131

I tried to watch the series because I really enjoyed the books. Bonhomme Richard Jun 2013 #19

Wait till the end NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #96

Same here. I started the first book last summer at this time RayOfHope Jun 2013 #125

I have not read the books Epiphany4z Jun 2013 #22

never watched it MFM008 Jun 2013 #27

I'm also a fan of the Walking Dead, especially the moral dilemmas the characters face shawn703 Jun 2013 #34

People still watch these things on TV? Rooting for this guy or that guy to win? Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #29

I actually think you might like this PB cali Jun 2013 #44

I have not heard from my son. :-( MuseRider Jun 2013 #33

Colonel Mustard, in the Library, with a French Tickler. There. nt Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #35

It took all of my energy not to spoil it for people. bravenak Jun 2013 #37

I called my friend last night at the end to ask what she thought. She taped it and hadn't seen it. SharonAnn Jun 2013 #99

My sister was still on season3 episode 2. bravenak Jun 2013 #113

Read the books Aerows Jun 2013 #38

SPOILER BainsBane Jun 2013 #53

Don't worry, none of that has happened Godhumor Jun 2013 #54

Oh good BainsBane Jun 2013 #56

No, I was just fooling around Aerows Jun 2013 #78

YES! hootinholler Jun 2013 #55

I think it's going end up that... Marr Jun 2013 #75

The way the plot goes Aerows Jun 2013 #77

That is exactly what I think... FarPoint Jun 2013 #84

'The seed is strong' ... Jon looks like a Baratheon alittlelark Jun 2013 #102

Yep. I'm kinda guessing... TDale313 Jun 2013 #111

No he has Lyanna's hair MattBaggins Jun 2013 #143

the Starks aren't nt WolverineDG Jun 2013 #148

If anybody has plot immunity NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #95

I think Arya, Daenerys and Brandon will be riding the dragons alittlelark Jun 2013 #100

Uh NO Chuuku Davis Jun 2013 #168

Aside from Sean Bean's performance, I've been thoroughly underwhelmed by it. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #43

I love Sean Bean in anything,although his showing sufrommich Jun 2013 #48

There's a wonderful series of 14 some odd-movies called Sharpe's Rifles that Bean stars in LanternWaste Jun 2013 #121

I've seen all of the Sharpe episodes! I think that's why I have sufrommich Jun 2013 #129

Total opposite for me. sibelian Jun 2013 #170

Are they doing the Royal Wedding next week? AnnieBW Jun 2013 #45

I highly doubt they're doing it next week Godhumor Jun 2013 #50

No, they follow the arc of the books Scootaloo Jun 2013 #106

Actually, they've split Book 3 AnnieBW Jun 2013 #110

As stated below, Season 4 is book 3 part 2 Godhumor Jun 2013 #130

I'm a liitle surprised the title of the episode didn't sufrommich Jun 2013 #46

I'm still reeling . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #51

If they'd read the books they'd have seen it coming. Arkana Jun 2013 #52

what's so shocking?? was it just super violent?? cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #57

It actually wasn't any more shocking than most of the sufrommich Jun 2013 #61

I guess what's so shocking (and it's only shocking for those who don't know the books) cali Jun 2013 #62

Spoiler... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #66

SPOILERS wickerwoman Jun 2013 #155

Ok, I can see how that is shocking.... cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #159

I read all the books, so I knew it was coming. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #58

Right. So I'd never seen the show before last night. I tuned in for the first time with no clue. yardwork Jun 2013 #67

lol. oh dear, what a place to tune in. cali Jun 2013 #68

Yeah. lol! yardwork Jun 2013 #69

If you've got HBO, you may be able to get HBO GO, too- and watch the old episodes on a device like Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #76

Thanks. Nice to see you too. I don't know that I will watch the show again. yardwork Jun 2013 #86

It's all one heck of a yarn. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #88

There's still plenty of meat on those bones hootinholler Jun 2013 #103

There are still more direwolves. All the Stark kids have/had one. kaiden Jun 2013 #134

It's all downhill from here, folks, as book readers can attest LittleBlue Jun 2013 #70

You're kinda right, but Inkfreak Jun 2013 #79

Same LittleBlue Jun 2013 #82

I'd imagine there are several million people who will not tune out at the very least Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #81

Haha, very true LittleBlue Jun 2013 #83

Just one? ozone_man Jun 2013 #142

some great stuff next year, too NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #97

I've read the books, TDale313 Jun 2013 #112

I disagree.. Four was slow, but Five is really an excellent book, imo! RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #156

Better than 4 but no where exboyfil Jun 2013 #162

Perhaps by the time I read five, I forgot just how good one to three were, RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #163

Probably true exboyfil Jun 2013 #164

in 70s movies, it was common for the hero/protagonist to die. Yavin4 Jun 2013 #71

My guess is most viewers handled it just fine cali Jun 2013 #72

You're right. I should not have said "most" Yavin4 Jun 2013 #89

Martin himself said NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #93

Yes but that ending terminated the movie exboyfil Jun 2013 #165

The last book I read ended in an incoherent breaking of character Generic Other Jun 2013 #73

I was horrified by the ending. Ilsa Jun 2013 #91

Red Wedding Reactions caught on video NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #98

it was brutal, but well done in line with the book (with one exception) dionysus Jun 2013 #104

Yes and I have to wonder exboyfil Jun 2013 #171

and how about replacing vargo hoat and the bloody mummers with a generic character called Locke? dionysus Jun 2013 #172

Oh, didn't read the book did they? Matariki Jun 2013 #108

Love the books and the show. TDale313 Jun 2013 #114

I have found Game of Thrones unwatchable exboyfil Jun 2013 #116

Most people watch for the boobs, B Calm Jun 2013 #117

nonsense. it's a beautifully realized show that succeeds at creating its own world cali Jun 2013 #126

I bet there isn't a single fantasy fangirl under the age of 30 out there that doesn't secretly sibelian Jun 2013 #120

Tommen - SPOILER ALERT exboyfil Jun 2013 #166

I'm not worried about spoilers. :) sibelian Jun 2013 #169

Sad that no one reads anymore telclaven Jun 2013 #122

Alternate Headline: Everyone Who Did Not Read The Books Learns Hard Lesson WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #127

I thought "Game of Thrones" was a video game. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #128

It's the first in an epic high fantasy series of novels. RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #157

I knew the Red Wedding was going to happen when I first read about it 13 years ago. Apophis Jun 2013 #133

FFS. "when you play the game of thrones you win or you die" MattBaggins Jun 2013 #135

25 Steps To Get Over Your Intense "Game Of Thrones" Depression dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #146

SPOILER>>>SPOILER MattBaggins Jun 2013 #149

No - this is a spoiler dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #150

This is how it is done MattBaggins Jun 2013 #153

Solyent Green is People.... WCGreen Jun 2013 #152

WHAT? And I thought it just meant Organic. I will have to have a chat with Trader Joes. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #161

24 Reasons Why George R.R. Martin Is The Biggest Troll In Literature Right Now Matariki Jun 2013 #173