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4. I gave you a rec, but don't fully agree.

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:04 AM

Jun 2013

I do think Manning is just where he needs to be. I also think justice has turned a blind eye to unacceptable and horrific crimes. Crimes of great severity. Crimes that have done great damage to our nation. Not just of how others view us, but our own psyche as well. I think that is more than worth talking about.

"So. Revealing crime is a crime. Hello, 1984!"

No. A massive dump of classified files is a crime. That is a pretty simple thing to understand. I still can't for the life of me figure out why people don't understand it.

Torture should be a crime with severe punishment. Those ordering the torture should be put on trial, and if found guilty, imprisoned. That is not happening. Our military commanders should not receive the protections they do. Don't get me wrong, our military commanders should be protected to an extent, but the current state of affairs has gone to far. The killing of civilians also needs to be investigated in a different manner. Too often the process seem to not go far enough.

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Officers of the United States Government should be on trial -- not PFC Bradley Manning. [View all] Octafish Jun 2013 OP

Manning isn't a whistleblower... SidDithers Jun 2013 #1

Really? That's a most, eh, conservative take on it. Octafish Jun 2013 #3

Yup. Link is right here... SidDithers Jun 2013 #14

Are you trying to damage the server? Octafish Jun 2013 #34

'Cause you never link to your own posts, octafish... SidDithers Jun 2013 #46

Big difference is I post useful information that adds to what we know about the gangsters. Octafish Jun 2013 #90

Octafish has more credibility here than you do, Sid. By a LOT. Occulus Jun 2013 #131

How is that NOT a personal attack? randome Jun 2013 #133

Well, you know, there was a preface... SidDithers Jun 2013 #137

you just can't compare with that anti vax woo machine Sid... dionysus Jun 2013 #256

PROPAGANDA 101: Labels are powerful things. Octafish Jun 2013 #289

The truth is a personal attack? I don't think so. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #198

What you just posted is nonsense. Everyone here is subject to being asked for links with backup. stevenleser Jun 2013 #134

Occulus' post was accurate. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #201

... SidDithers Jun 2013 #136

I'm hurt Occulus Jun 2013 #149

Of course you don't, but a whole lot of other people, do. Occulus, a great DUer like Octafish sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #197

How's that RFK jr homework coming... SidDithers Jun 2013 #224

So far, due to the fact that RFK Jr has credibility, as opposed to his few detractors, and I sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #265

"debating a topic like an adult rather than with obvious biases... SidDithers Jun 2013 #278

It's like an automatic reaction. Octafish Jun 2013 #267

even though we have had our disputes in the past backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #188

+ a million. And it would be a perfect 100% over the people high fiving that personal attack on him Number23 Jun 2013 #202

I couldn't agree more, and I have no doubt at all that a majority of people here sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #195

yup, their anti vax woo, as well as constant campaigning against Dems, makes DU special... dionysus Jun 2013 #255

Like when you called a liberal constitutional scholar a douchebag? Octafish Jun 2013 #275

correction: greenwald is a libertarian douchebag dionysus Jun 2013 #286

Either way, that is Labeling, a technique of propaganda. Octafish Jun 2013 #290

i call it an apt description dionysus Jun 2013 #323

Call it what you want, you're still wrong. Greenwald is correct on Manning vs. the Warmongers Octafish Jun 2013 #329

Sid - Ellsberg didn't have time to read all the Pentagon Papers, either. Your argument is trash. leveymg Jun 2013 #234

Excellent post and everyone knows that the nonsensical claim that 'he didn't read sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #270

Wait... SidDithers Jun 2013 #272

Sid, Ellsberg actually says the term "data dump" . . ." is the opposite of the truth." leveymg Jun 2013 #294

He can't answer because - He's the one Dragonfli Jun 2013 #15

Releasing thousands of diplomatic cables crossed the line, pnwmom Jun 2013 #109

and that's just your opinion. Swagman Jun 2013 #228

Manning's too, since he's been willing to plead guilty on that. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #252

These diplomatic cables should have been declassified leveymg Jun 2013 #241

The cables contained the unredacted names of innocent people pnwmom Jun 2013 #251

I believe the names were of corrupt Afghan officials leveymg Jun 2013 #295

There were a lot more names that that in the thousands of cables. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #297

Show me an instance where someone was harmed. leveymg Jun 2013 #298

251,000 cables were released UNVETTED and unredacted. pnwmom Jun 2013 #303

But, not a single act of persecution as a result of a quarter million unvetted docs in 3 yrs? leveymg Jun 2013 #314

Much of the case is being withheld for security reasons, so I wouldn't expect pnwmom Jun 2013 #316

That's a little circular. Secrets to protect secrets, etc. Are you speculating, or is that based in leveymg Jun 2013 #319

I just amended the previous post to give an example. And then I found this one: pnwmom Jun 2013 #320

As someone who's prepared hundreds of Ethiopian asylum claims, I am not in the least leveymg Jun 2013 #321

So since he escaped his country alive, he wasn't really harmed then? pnwmom Jun 2013 #322

The bottom line is: Maedhros Jun 2013 #30

It depends on whether you want to live in a democracy or not. Octafish Jun 2013 #41

Ignorance is bliss? nineteen50 Jun 2013 #42

I think there is no question we would be better off if it had not been released. If Manning had stevenleser Jun 2013 #135

I did not read all the Wikileaks, but I feel better off that he released them. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #153

This Option B is sponsored by Leo Strauss and the University of Chicago. Occulus Jun 2013 #155

We are better off, although it may take a while for this country to acknowledge that. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #204

I'll take the most famous and most credible Whistle Blower's word on that. Daniel sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #164

wow backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #193

Anyone who objects to a whistle blower exposing war crimes committed during sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #194

but he didnt just whistle blow did he backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #196

Manning is not a whistle blower AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #217

absolute garbage. Who is this "private entity" that has "hostility to the USA"? Swagman Jun 2013 #231

U.S. policy AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #237

Except that Manning was not a whistleblower, premium Jun 2013 #271

That he didn't follow "legal procedures" doesn't make him any less a whistleblower - it just put him leveymg Jun 2013 #299

The difference is that Ellsberg tried the legal way first, premium Jun 2013 #302

The difference is, Nixon unleashed the Plumbers on Ellsberg and got himself Impeached. leveymg Jun 2013 #315

apparently SidDithers doesn't believe in the court system Swagman Jun 2013 #227

DU is part of the court system?... SidDithers Jun 2013 #280

I musta missed the memo, premium Jun 2013 #288

Manning is no fucking hero, premium Jun 2013 #2

No. Otherwise the Pentagon would not report that national security was not harmed by WikiLeaks. Octafish Jun 2013 #5

And I'll side with the UCMJ, premium Jun 2013 #8

He has not been convicted, yet you think him so. Is that based on something you learned on tee vee? Octafish Jun 2013 #12

He's already plead guilty to 10 charges... SidDithers Jun 2013 #48

Yes I Would Love To See Those Links As Well HangOnKids Jun 2013 #67

Take it with all the salt you want, premium Jun 2013 #76

Ahh how clever HangOnKids Jun 2013 #79

Well, we all have our difference of opinion now, don't we? nt. premium Jun 2013 #88

Where are the links? n/t HangOnKids Jun 2013 #80

I just know you're not going to accept this, but, here goes. premium Jun 2013 #86

Sorry The Link Does Not Work HangOnKids Jun 2013 #89

Strange. My link below works fine but Premium's does not. I don't see the difference. randome Jun 2013 #91

Fixed it. premium Jun 2013 #93

The Link works fine for me, premium, and I appreciate it. Good Cha Jun 2013 #146

Thank you. premium Jun 2013 #242

I'd like to those links also. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #206

CBS says 'hundreds' of informers' names were leaked. randome Jun 2013 #81

The thing is that CBS report also goes to The Times article that was debunked from 3 years ago. Octafish Jun 2013 #125

If you have anything debunking it, I would like to see that, too. randome Jun 2013 #128

There are zero follow-up reports. No evidence reported. Three years on. Ergo, de-bunked. Octafish Jun 2013 #165

Oh, Binka... SidDithers Jun 2013 #126

Two posts hidden per month is not a bad rate. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #245

The essence of authoritarianism Maedhros Jun 2013 #33

Leaking the names of hundreds of overseas informants was NOT the right thing to do. randome Jun 2013 #38

He had no idea what he was leaking for the most part. premium Jun 2013 #39

This keeps getting stated as fact: Maedhros Jun 2013 #61

There are more links above but this one specifically mentions 'hundreds'. randome Jun 2013 #63

See post #125 by Octafish above Maedhros Jun 2013 #177

Why was he given access to so much information in the first place? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #160

Great question. Thanks also for sharing that story about your relative, the WAC. Octafish Jun 2013 #248

Thank you. I do not know whether my relative was a codebreaker. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #249

The UCMJ also requires sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #44

Like this guy...? Pelican Jun 2013 #47

Is he the guy defending his country, or invading it? OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #54

Thank You HangOnKids Jun 2013 #69

Of course, sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #78

+1. The mentality of the helicopter murder chucklers is not unlike... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #171

Even Assange said it looked like these guys were carrying RPGs. randome Jun 2013 #57

How about the two guys the helicopter lights up who are carrying wounded think Jun 2013 #156

Alot of us are not that familar with the UCMJ so could you link the specific section that cstanleytech Jun 2013 #173

UCMJ 918.Art.118.Murder sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #247

Interesting. There is a problem though. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #274

1,2 and 3 apply. sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #287

And the rest of my question? cstanleytech Jun 2013 #296

See, you keep sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #306

Well I certainly cannot force you to answer the question. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #309

I have answered the question, repeatedly. sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #312

Colonel Jessup, is that you? Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #152

How cute, NOT! nt. premium Jun 2013 #276

The Late 80s called. They want their lame retort back. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #281

Talk about lame retorts. premium Jun 2013 #283

Yes, speaking of ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #307

Your superior intellect premium Jun 2013 #308

I'm happy for you. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #334

He will serve time for the things that he has admitted. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #158

Acc. to the UN charter, only the UN Security Council can authorize a CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #186

'National security' may not have been impacted... randome Jun 2013 #9

Really? Got a link? Octafish Jun 2013 #13

From Rachel Maddow's show last night. randome Jun 2013 #17

Great. A splash page for the show. The only place I've seen anyone link to such is Free Republic. Octafish Jun 2013 #22

You just need to wait a few seconds for the video to load. randome Jun 2013 #24

I think you'd get better responses... Wait Wut Jun 2013 #65

+100! zappaman Jun 2013 #97

Who'd I call a freeper? Octafish Jun 2013 #100

"The only place I've seen anyone link to such is Free Republic." Wait Wut Jun 2013 #118

So? That's a different thing, entirely. You have yet to show where I called anyone a freeper. Octafish Jun 2013 #121

I'm done. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #122

Bye. It's no game. Octafish Jun 2013 #124

Exactly, Wait Wut, When they have nothing that's what Cha Jun 2013 #147

Concur, completely. MADem Jun 2013 #223

Well said...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #284

Do you have source materials, an 8 minute video from an opnion show is not really news. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #23

Only a Wikipedia source so far. randome Jun 2013 #25

Are you as concerned Maedhros Jun 2013 #35

Got it... Pelican Jun 2013 #50

I understand that Manning broke the law. Maedhros Jun 2013 #66

They need to look the other way. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #68

But he didn't accept the consequences and neither did his supporters... brooklynite Jun 2013 #95

There is some precedent for that belief Maedhros Jun 2013 #111

Well said, Maedhros, well said. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #162

In a perfect world, there would be no drones and no government malfeasance. randome Jun 2013 #51

Even in the crappiest democracy there wouldn't be assassination of Americans without trial. Octafish Jun 2013 #291

The pentagon does not have covert agents in the field. Get back to me when the CIA says it has not stevenleser Jun 2013 #132

Like we're supposed to believe the CIA about anything? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #150

Are we five years old now? Is any country going to acknowledge the elimination of its agents or stevenleser Jun 2013 #167

In a democracy Maedhros Jun 2013 #151

LOL, Manning didn't do that. He released hundreds of thousands of documents at random. stevenleser Jun 2013 #168

A man's life is at stake here Maedhros Jun 2013 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author stevenleser Jun 2013 #179

LOL is an entirely appropriate response. He had options for addressing the specific wrongdoing stevenleser Jun 2013 #180

If the sentence comes by Predator drone, you'll wet yourself. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #232

This is the first time navarth Jun 2013 #263

There is good reason for being happy with Manning's punishment stevenleser Jun 2013 #269

Have you served Steve? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #273

Yes. I also witnessed the IG address wrongdoing. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #277

You mean, apart from the Army's interns at CNN and NPR, a direct phone call from CIA works wonders. Octafish Jun 2013 #338

you are no fucking hero either Swagman Jun 2013 #229

Manning pleaded guilty to 10 crimes AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #240

Hey Swagman, premium Jun 2013 #243

Manning has already plead guilty to 10 charges... SidDithers Jun 2013 #285

I gave you a rec, but don't fully agree. NCTraveler Jun 2013 #4

Thank you for adding your perspective, which adds to our understanding. Octafish Jun 2013 #10

So you think the public's right to know Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2013 #36

What I know: People killed by Bradley Manning-0. People killed by Bush & Cheney-100,000+ Octafish Jun 2013 #335

I agree. Well said. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #19

Indeed. CanSocDem Jun 2013 #6

Most Americans have no idea what the USG does in their name. Octafish Jun 2013 #16

Thank you for the link, Octafish navarth Jun 2013 #37

if the US had not been involved in criminal G_j Jun 2013 #7

Bush. Cheney. Powell. Rumsfeld...When will they go on trial for lying America into war? Octafish Jun 2013 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2013 #71

kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2013 #11

'Washington Babylon' explains why things are so messed up that money really does trump peace. Octafish Jun 2013 #31

Thanks for that Refresher....Amazing what goes down the rabbit hole of KoKo Jun 2013 #254

One does not preclude the other. Both committed crimes. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #18

And yet in one case we are told to 'turn the page, look forward, turn a blind eye to crime' Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #27

I advocate for the prosecution of Bush, Cheney et al, often on my radio show. So thats not true. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #129

I'm eagerly awaiting the trials of the murderers and other miscreants he exposed. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #21

Can you name them? That would be helpful. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #32

No, I can't. The government is keeping them secret. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #49

Wait a second!!! That makes no sense!! Manning dumps 700k documents and videos and msanthrope Jun 2013 #52

Boggles the mind, doesn't it? nt. premium Jun 2013 #53

No one can name ANYONE that committed a war crime? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #59

That's correct jberryhill Jun 2013 #105

Maybe he's in on it. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #110

George Walker Bush and Dick Cheney Rex Jun 2013 #112

We needed a Bradley Manning to tell us that Bush and Cheney are criminals??? I think not. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #117

No I was just answering your question. Rex Jun 2013 #141

George Walker Bush for commiting the supreme crime against the peace, CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #324

We needed a 700k paper dump to tell us that? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #326

You asked, you were answered and you then proceeded to CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #327

Obviously, the "dumping" of documents was harmless and he should be released. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #56

'Harm' isn't an element of the statute. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #58

IOW, premium Jun 2013 #62

Bradley Manning is a foreigner? Who knew? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #116

I was referring to the Afghans that were helping the US in Afghanistan. premium Jun 2013 #244

Those named were corrupt officials whose names were originally in a Dari-language academic paper. leveymg Jun 2013 #300

You're seriously saying that the only names outed were corrupt officials? premium Jun 2013 #304

It's interesting that in 3 yrs since that article appeared, not one verified case of harm. leveymg Jun 2013 #310

Just because we haven't heard of it, premium Jun 2013 #311

Believe me, if there was one severed head, we would have seen it. Over and over and over again. leveymg Jun 2013 #313

Same here premium Jun 2013 #337

I think people would be more likely to see it this way IF hughee99 Jun 2013 #26

Great point. The thing is, the other documents revealed State Department work for money grubbers. Octafish Jun 2013 #253

The papers had a field day with it, but releasing classified documents that hughee99 Jun 2013 #279

It is well known that there is a rather large portion of Govt. that is above the law. Dragonfli Jun 2013 #28

K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #29

Just get it over with and lock him up railsback Jun 2013 #40

You Know What Was On Manning's Mind? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #84

So, you know what was on Manning's Mind? railsback Jun 2013 #92

This is what was on Manning's mind. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #96

The chat logs with Adrian Lamo are closer to the event, and are not msanthrope Jun 2013 #115

Um, yeah railsback Jun 2013 #154

It is "grown up" OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #169

Ah, so its 'grown up' to have delusions of grandeur railsback Jun 2013 #209

You prefer to attack those who bring to light OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #230

Wasn't it also Goering who said AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #239

I Never Claimed To Know What Was On His Mind HangOnKids Jun 2013 #101

LoL. I'm not denying it. railsback Jun 2013 #157

But you are just so likeable! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #215

(02:14:21 PM) Manning: listened and lip-synced to Lady Gaga�s Telephone while exfiltratrating possi msanthrope Jun 2013 #114

Stomping on a lowly soldier who got disgusted with our horrible forever wars... Peace Patriot Jun 2013 #43

That was a great books. Octafish Jun 2013 #170

Coping with Manning's crime was my job for a while Proud Public Servant Jun 2013 #45

Scale RobertEarl Jun 2013 #55

No, of course not Proud Public Servant Jun 2013 #60

Doubled down, eh? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #64

Serious question Proud Public Servant Jun 2013 #72

Well RobertEarl Jun 2013 #83

"Danced around"? Oh, please. Proud Public Servant Jun 2013 #98

That is *definitely* the issue. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #102

Why Are You Posting Here If You Believe This HangOnKids Jun 2013 #106

Because it's true? ucrdem Jun 2013 #113

Read Again HangOnKids Jun 2013 #120

Okay, I did, and you're completely misreading it. Reread it carefully. n/t ucrdem Jun 2013 #123

Just for starters. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #94

LALALALA WE CANT HEAR YOU!!! Ash_F Jun 2013 #200

+1 THE LIST...it should be a Stickie to any Manning post here on DU. KoKo Jun 2013 #260

Is any of this true? GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #233

It pisses ME off. But what Manning released had nothing to do with Bush. randome Jun 2013 #75

You may be a public servant, but Ellsberg disagrees CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #190

You certainly have my sympathy. MADem Jun 2013 #73

Thanks RobertEarl Jun 2013 #107

You love to follow me round, don't you? MADem Jun 2013 #142

If Manning is convicted and Bush remains free, this country CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #191

That's just a silly thing to say. MADem Jun 2013 #199

Bush has the blood of (at a minimum) 100,000 innocent poeple on his hands. Go CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #203

Call me when he's indicted. MADem Jun 2013 #208

If it were not for the original sin of Operation Shocking and Awful, Manning CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #210

If Manning hadn't volunteered to join the Army, he never would have served either. MADem Jun 2013 #211

Well, if you go back to my original post that began this little sub-thread CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #212

Well, he didn't do it on his own. MADem Jun 2013 #216

Your Cheney and my Cheney are two quite different monsters. The last time CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #218

Well, you must be following the guy closely. MADem Jun 2013 #219

Not Fox. Truthout. Here ya go: CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #220

Good grief, that's an advocacy site read by less than one percent of the country. MADem Jun 2013 #221

Truthout reports on an appearance by Cheney on ABC's CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #259

Three YEARS ago. Not last week, not last month, not even last YEAR. MADem Jun 2013 #305

There is no statute of limitations for war crimes or for murder. - nt CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #325

But there is one for what constitutes "news"--and a cite from three years ago is not news. nt MADem Jun 2013 #328

Thanks. That's exactly why I've thought all along that wikileaks is bad news ucrdem Jun 2013 #104

Thank you. moondust Jun 2013 #140

Thank you, Proud Public Servant, it is really beneficial Cha Jun 2013 #148

Thank you so much for your post. Number23 Jun 2013 #161

The Arab Spring was certainly inspired dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #213

Can you explain why in 3 yrs there hasn't been a single verified victim of the "data dump"? leveymg Jun 2013 #318

A post like this really gets under the skin of the conservatives. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #70

But But But Some Day They Will Have Their Boot On Someones Throat HangOnKids Jun 2013 #74

Classic authoritarian behavior. Find someone small to pick-on. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #82

Pity them when the small person turns out to be so much bigger HangOnKids Jun 2013 #85

They can stand with the torturers and mass murderers kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #103

They're not very Democratic. Octafish Jun 2013 #119

Seven Myths about Bradly Manning. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #77

An Excellent Point. KoKo Jun 2013 #262

Solidarity with PFC Manning! n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #87

Me, too. OTOH, the leaders who lied America into war aren't getting deserved attention these days. Octafish Jun 2013 #282

Anybody who makes it through basic training... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #99

Of course he should be on trial. He broke the law. Simple as that. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #108

Presidenture Poppy Bush and Secretary Cheney broke the law by lying America into war in 1990. Octafish Jun 2013 #330

He's a criminal... sweet pudgy little pink cheeks and all. n/t lamp_shade Jun 2013 #127

Did you come up with that all by yourself? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #139

As opposed to "Did you come up with that all by yourself"? You think that's original? nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #182

Are we debating originality here Steve? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #183

Your question was about originality. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #184

No it wasn't HangOnKids Jun 2013 #185

I'm happy to let DUers interpret whether "Did you come up with that all by yourself?" addresses stevenleser Jun 2013 #189

Knock Yourself Out Steve HangOnKids Jun 2013 #205

Agreed, starting with Bush and Cheney... KansDem Jun 2013 #130

Who was Really �Aiding the Enemy?� Octafish Jun 2013 #331

1. Totally agree and K and R. 2. Slightly off topic: does anyone have a relevant link Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #138

Daniel Ellsberg talking about Manning case on The Cycle (MSNBC): link from Charles Pierce's column deurbano Jun 2013 #143

Berrigan's support of Manning means alot to me duhneece Jun 2013 #144

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #145

So what does the government expect felix_numinous Jun 2013 #159

Have any of you John2 Jun 2013 #166

He didn't take anything off base. He opened a backdoor and transferred files. MADem Jun 2013 #222

I believe there is already something in place Manning could have used which is cstanleytech Jun 2013 #175

Another hero, who like Manning, would not sacrifice his humanity. He rescued the two children sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #163

Awesome! tblue Jun 2013 #207

Yes, indeed...Important Post...thanks Sabrina. KoKo Jun 2013 #266

Almost Gone by Graham Nash and James Raymond (Manning song) johnnyreb Jun 2013 #172

Most Excellent Video Johnnyreb HangOnKids Jun 2013 #214

Solidarity with Manning! Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #174

Bravo! - nt CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #178

Nope, Bradley Manning should be on trial Riftaxe Jun 2013 #181

I'll bet you would have been A-OK with jailing CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #192

K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #187

if manning was the patriot Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #225

Col. Ted Westhusing went that route and for his trouble ended up dead. Octafish Jun 2013 #336

the ignorance being disseminated about Bradley Manning is embarrassing Swagman Jun 2013 #226

He has pled guilty to ten charges hack89 Jun 2013 #236

LOL another one who doesnt know anything about military law AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #238

Bullshit he exposed no crimes. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #246

Manning exposed no crimes, provided one pays no attention whatsoever CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #258

K&R midnight Jun 2013 #235

"The truth is Manning has done a great service, both to MI5 and the UK as a whole." ucrdem Jun 2013 #250

Please take the hyperbole elsewhere HangOnKids Jun 2013 #257

Don't bother explaining, I don't want to know. Bye. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #264

What a HOOT! n/t HangOnKids Jun 2013 #268

Who're the real traitors? Bush and Cheney who lied America into war? Octafish Jun 2013 #293

Problem with Cheney and Bush is cstanleytech Jun 2013 #301

Are you suggesting that some of the docs were leaked intentionally? Tunisia, Karzai, Iran cables? leveymg Jun 2013 #317

Not some, all. Climategate? ucrdem Jun 2013 #333

Hmm . . . leveymg Jun 2013 #339

Our government has been up to some dirty shit. JEB Jun 2013 #261

SECRECY means NO ACCOUNTABILITY Octafish Jun 2013 #292

When the deceptive operation of the warfare state can�t stand the light of day G_j Jun 2013 #332