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In reply to the discussion: Illinois illegally seizes bees resistant to (Monsanto) Roundup; kills remaining queens [View all]
yellowcanine
(36,809 posts)193. Who is THEY? Whether someone said that or not it is not actually relevant.
Glyphosate and triazine herbicides have different modes of action and behave very differently in the environment. Glyphosate is an aromatic amino acid inhibitor and is rapidly inactivated in the soil. Atrazine is a photosynthetic inhibitor and has a lot of soil activity and can persist in the soil a long time. Talking about what the nebulous "THEY" may have said or not said is not helpful to understanding what the data actually says. People say lots of stuff and often don't know what they are talking about. Lots of companies make glyphosate herbicides besides Monsanto (patent expired in 2000) and there is also lots of university research on glyphosate. You aren't looking very effectively if you can't find it. For starters, try searching on glyphosate rather than the trade name Round Up.
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Illinois illegally seizes bees resistant to (Monsanto) Roundup; kills remaining queens [View all]
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
OP
so the theory is that Monsanto wants a monopoly on bees resistant to their roundup?
KurtNYC
May 2012
#7
I think the resistant bees are one line of evidence in proving round-up kills bees. n/t
Ian David
May 2012
#18
No doubt he has years of evidence. Insan(e)to is a villainous criminal, plain and simple
Dont call me Shirley
May 2012
#82
Actually I do doubt it. Roundup effects on bees is not exactly an unknown area.
yellowcanine
May 2012
#87
Monsanto are pure, utter evil, and I say this meaning it entirely and without reservation.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#17
The evil of Monsanto-we as consumers, must fight for labeling of all GMO food products
crunch60
May 2012
#48
I'm trying to understand this...they don't want anyone developing bees resistant to that stuff....
LiberalLoner
May 2012
#10
And think about the other fact that this news piece demonstrates - the Big Agri firms
truedelphi
May 2012
#39
There is no evidence Roundup affects bees and plenty of people doing research on it.
yellowcanine
May 2012
#31
And that is a red herring/false choice. Of course they do. But so what? Doesn't mean that is the
yellowcanine
May 2012
#182
Who is THEY? Whether someone said that or not it is not actually relevant.
yellowcanine
Jun 2013
#193
I did not say atrazine doesn't break down in the soil: I said it can persist a long time. It can.
yellowcanine
Jun 2013
#195
Also glyphosate has been around since 1974 and your idea that it hasn't been researched
yellowcanine
Jun 2013
#196
That's a good point. And the only other source I can find is the nutjob site, "Natural News." n/t
Ian David
May 2012
#15
The evil gubamint might have seized the bees, but what about the 'research?'
msanthrope
May 2012
#59
I noticed that too. The bees were seized because inspectors detected foulbrood.
yellowcanine
May 2012
#20
If you read the Prairie Avocate article it's pretty clear where his bees are.
GarroHorus
May 2012
#32
That's an assumption, and that's the beekeeper's point. He's not getting answers
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#44
58 years of experience in bee keeping vs. 12 years as a what, corporate hack?
Dont call me Shirley
May 2012
#85
Well then let's hope the source of the original story isn't sharing underwear with Glenn Beck:
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#22
I would just edit your OP to link directly to the Prairie Advocate article. n/t
Ian David
May 2012
#33
hard to take the source seriously on a serious matter, when he trashes OWS and compares Carter among
maddezmom
May 2012
#52
I am disabled with very little energy and I thankfully have little knowledge of nut-job sites.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#104
Well the truth of the matter is of some dispute so source has to be considered.
yellowcanine
May 2012
#65
It also presents a great opportunity for you to direct Progressive web traffic to right-wing sites.
Ian David
May 2012
#79
No - what if this source wants to spread BS to discredit legitmate complaints against Monsanto?
KurtNYC
May 2012
#99
Yeah, I finally bowed deeply to those who refuse to click the source link in the first link I posted
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#135
First you have to offer something of substance, as opposed to something of ridicule.
msanthrope
May 2012
#54
I could link back to DU and people would chide me for less-than-golden sources.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#162
How does that assertion relate to the OP? If you read all of the replies it is clear that this case
yellowcanine
May 2012
#80
It's no assertion, use your search engine to find Monsanto connections to government.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#102
I don't always have the time to link people to stories. Everyone has a search engine if they care.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#128
"Everybody has a search engine." Oh for pity's sake. You really don't get it.
yellowcanine
May 2012
#129
I'm surprised they haven't bred GM bees, spread them around and claimed patent theft
Marrah_G
May 2012
#53
The evidence is certainly a lot better than for Roundup, that's for sure.
yellowcanine
May 2012
#130
"No, it's neonicotinoids. There's really no doubt now." Actually there is.
yellowcanine
May 2012
#139
Yeah right. "And they were probably the industry cover up." Who is "they" then.
yellowcanine
May 2012
#181
This is like a scene out of a science fiction horror movie. Monsanto must be held accountable
ladjf
May 2012
#86
Illinois is a pay-to-play state. If you don't pay, you don't get to play.
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#91
Did you check the link in the story to the original article? I've posted it in the OP
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#103
If you want to piss of your livestock-farming neighbors, keep sick animals with a communicable
Ikonoklast
May 2012
#105
Good lord, please search Monsanto + government or most any topic you choose.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#142
One type of poison definitely cannot effect other things. That's madness.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#147
Roundup Birth Defects: Regulators Knew World's Best-Selling Herbicide Causes Problems
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#152
I am always suspicious of anyone who "knows better" than all of the others in the same
yellowcanine
May 2012
#120
Illegally. I want them and Monsanto to pay dearly for this. They want to be able to have their
jwirr
May 2012
#127
The way I understand it he was not given the chance before they killed the bees.
jwirr
May 2012
#148
Roundup Birth Defects: Regulators Knew World's Best-Selling Herbicide Causes Problems
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#154
And I now question whether Roundup has any potential to cause birth defects
GarroHorus
May 2012
#168