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In reply to the discussion: Officers of the United States Government should be on trial -- not PFC Bradley Manning. [View all]OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)94. Just for starters.
Wikileaks Haiti: U.S. pushed to lower minimum wage
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20068872-503543.html
However, the Columbia Journalism Review has written up a summary of the Nation piece, recounting how American clothing makers with factories in Haiti were displeased after the government raised the minimum wage more than two and a half times the previous minimum 24 cents an hour.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20068872-503543.html
However, the Columbia Journalism Review has written up a summary of the Nation piece, recounting how American clothing makers with factories in Haiti were displeased after the government raised the minimum wage more than two and a half times the previous minimum 24 cents an hour.
WikiLeaks: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would Stay Cheap
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-06-03/news/30003110_1_minimum-wage-haitians-garment-workers#ixzz1ywY2AXZY
This infuriated American corporations like Hanes and Levi Strauss that pay Haitians slave wages to sew their clothes. They said they would only fork over a seven-cent-an-hour increase, and they got the State Department involved. The U.S. ambassador put pressure on Haitis president, who duly carved out a $3 a day minimum wage for textile companies (the U.S. minimum wage, which itself is very low, works out to $58 a day).
Haiti has about 25,000 garment workers. If you paid each of them $2 a day more, it would cost their employers $50,000 per working day, or about $12.5 million a year ... As of last year Hanes had 3,200 Haitians making t-shirts for it. Paying each of them two bucks a day more would cost it about $1.6 million a year. Hanesbrands Incorporated made $211 million on $4.3 billion in sales last year.
Thanks to U.S. intervention, the minimum was raised only to 31 cents.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-06-03/news/30003110_1_minimum-wage-haitians-garment-workers#ixzz1ywY2AXZY
This infuriated American corporations like Hanes and Levi Strauss that pay Haitians slave wages to sew their clothes. They said they would only fork over a seven-cent-an-hour increase, and they got the State Department involved. The U.S. ambassador put pressure on Haitis president, who duly carved out a $3 a day minimum wage for textile companies (the U.S. minimum wage, which itself is very low, works out to $58 a day).
Haiti has about 25,000 garment workers. If you paid each of them $2 a day more, it would cost their employers $50,000 per working day, or about $12.5 million a year ... As of last year Hanes had 3,200 Haitians making t-shirts for it. Paying each of them two bucks a day more would cost it about $1.6 million a year. Hanesbrands Incorporated made $211 million on $4.3 billion in sales last year.
Thanks to U.S. intervention, the minimum was raised only to 31 cents.
Obama called on the former general chairman of the RNC to stop Spain's investigation of US torture crimes.
WikiLeaks: How U.S. tried to stop Spain's torture probe
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/25/105786/wikileaks-how-us-tried-to-stop.html
MIAMI It was three months into Barack Obama's presidency, and the administration -- under pressure to do something about alleged abuses in Bush-era interrogation policies -- turned to a Florida senator to deliver a sensitive message to Spain:
Don't indict former President George W. Bush's legal brain trust for alleged torture in the treatment of war on terror detainees, warned Mel Martinez on one of his frequent trips to Madrid. Doing so would chill U.S.-Spanish relations.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/25/105786/wikileaks-how-us-tried-to-stop.html
MIAMI It was three months into Barack Obama's presidency, and the administration -- under pressure to do something about alleged abuses in Bush-era interrogation policies -- turned to a Florida senator to deliver a sensitive message to Spain:
Don't indict former President George W. Bush's legal brain trust for alleged torture in the treatment of war on terror detainees, warned Mel Martinez on one of his frequent trips to Madrid. Doing so would chill U.S.-Spanish relations.
US embassy cables: Don't pursue Guantánamo criminal case, says Spanish attorney general
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/202776?INTCMP=SRCH
6. (C) As reported in SEPTEL, Senator Mel Martinez, accompanied by the Charge d'Affaires, met Acting FM Angel Lossada during a visit to the Spanish MFA on April 15. Martinez and the Charge underscored that the prosecutions would not be understood or accepted in the U.S. and would have an enormous impact on the bilateral relationship. The Senator also asked if the GOS had thoroughly considered the source of the material on which the allegations were based to ensure the charges were not based on misinformation or factually wrong statements. Lossada responded that the GOS recognized all of the complications presented by universal jurisdiction, but that the independence of the judiciary and the process must be respected. The GOS would use all appropriate legal tools in the matter. While it did not have much margin to operate, the GOS would advise Conde Pumpido that the official administration position was that the GOS was "not in accord with the National Court." Lossada reiterated to Martinez that the executive branch of government could not close any judicial investigation and urged that this case not affect the overall relationship, adding that our interests were much broader, and that the universal jurisdiction case should not be viewed as a reflection of the GOS position.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/202776?INTCMP=SRCH
6. (C) As reported in SEPTEL, Senator Mel Martinez, accompanied by the Charge d'Affaires, met Acting FM Angel Lossada during a visit to the Spanish MFA on April 15. Martinez and the Charge underscored that the prosecutions would not be understood or accepted in the U.S. and would have an enormous impact on the bilateral relationship. The Senator also asked if the GOS had thoroughly considered the source of the material on which the allegations were based to ensure the charges were not based on misinformation or factually wrong statements. Lossada responded that the GOS recognized all of the complications presented by universal jurisdiction, but that the independence of the judiciary and the process must be respected. The GOS would use all appropriate legal tools in the matter. While it did not have much margin to operate, the GOS would advise Conde Pumpido that the official administration position was that the GOS was "not in accord with the National Court." Lossada reiterated to Martinez that the executive branch of government could not close any judicial investigation and urged that this case not affect the overall relationship, adding that our interests were much broader, and that the universal jurisdiction case should not be viewed as a reflection of the GOS position.
Judd Gregg, Obama's Republican nominee for Commerce secretary, didn't like the investigations either.
US embassy cables: Don't pursue Guantánamo criminal case, says Spanish attorney general
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/202776?INTCMP=SRCH
4. (C) As reported in REF A, Senator Judd Gregg, accompanied by the Charge d'Affaires, raised the issue with Luis Felipe Fernandez de la Pena, Director General Policy Director for North America and Europe during a visit to the Spanish MFA on April 13. Senator Gregg expressed his concern about the case. Fernandez de la Pena lamented this development, adding that judicial independence notwithstanding, the MFA disagreed with efforts to apply universal jurisdiction in such cases.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/202776?INTCMP=SRCH
4. (C) As reported in REF A, Senator Judd Gregg, accompanied by the Charge d'Affaires, raised the issue with Luis Felipe Fernandez de la Pena, Director General Policy Director for North America and Europe during a visit to the Spanish MFA on April 13. Senator Gregg expressed his concern about the case. Fernandez de la Pena lamented this development, adding that judicial independence notwithstanding, the MFA disagreed with efforts to apply universal jurisdiction in such cases.
Why the aversion? To protect Bushco, of course!
US embassy cables: Spanish prosecutor weighs Guantánamo criminal case against US officials
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/200177
The fact that this complaint targets former Administration legal officials may reflect a "stepping-stone" strategy designed to pave the way for complaints against even more senior officials.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/200177
The fact that this complaint targets former Administration legal officials may reflect a "stepping-stone" strategy designed to pave the way for complaints against even more senior officials.
WikiLeaks: Iraqi children in U.S. raid shot in head, U.N. says
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/08/31/122789/wikileaks-iraqi-children-in-us.html#storylink=cpy
A U.S. diplomatic cable made public by WikiLeaks provides evidence that U.S. troops executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old infant, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence, during a controversial 2006 incident in the central Iraqi town of Ishaqi.
The unclassified cable, which was posted on WikiLeaks' website last week, contained questions from a United Nations investigator about the incident, which had angered local Iraqi officials, who demanded some kind of action from their government. U.S. officials denied at the time that anything inappropriate had occurred.
But Philip Alston, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, said in a communication to American officials dated 12 days after the March 15, 2006, incident that autopsies performed in the Iraqi city of Tikrit showed that all the dead had been handcuffed and shot in the head. Among the dead were four women and five children. The children were all 5 years old or younger.
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Alston said he could provide no further information on the incident. "The tragedy," he said, "is that this elaborate system of communications is in place but the (U.N.) Human Rights Council does nothing to follow up when states ignore issues raised with them."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/08/31/122789/wikileaks-iraqi-children-in-us.html#storylink=cpy
A U.S. diplomatic cable made public by WikiLeaks provides evidence that U.S. troops executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old infant, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence, during a controversial 2006 incident in the central Iraqi town of Ishaqi.
The unclassified cable, which was posted on WikiLeaks' website last week, contained questions from a United Nations investigator about the incident, which had angered local Iraqi officials, who demanded some kind of action from their government. U.S. officials denied at the time that anything inappropriate had occurred.
But Philip Alston, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, said in a communication to American officials dated 12 days after the March 15, 2006, incident that autopsies performed in the Iraqi city of Tikrit showed that all the dead had been handcuffed and shot in the head. Among the dead were four women and five children. The children were all 5 years old or younger.
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Alston said he could provide no further information on the incident. "The tragedy," he said, "is that this elaborate system of communications is in place but the (U.N.) Human Rights Council does nothing to follow up when states ignore issues raised with them."
US diplomats spied on UN leadership
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un
Washington is running a secret intelligence campaign targeted at the leadership of the United Nations, including the secretary general, Ban Ki-moon and the permanent security council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK.
A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications.
It called for detailed biometric information "on key UN officials, to include undersecretaries, heads of specialised agencies and their chief advisers, top SYG [secretary general] aides, heads of peace operations and political field missions, including force commanders" as well as intelligence on Ban's "management and decision-making style and his influence on the secretariat". A parallel intelligence directive sent to diplomats in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi said biometric data included DNA, fingerprints and iris scans.
Washington also wanted credit card numbers, email addresses, phone, fax and pager numbers and even frequent-flyer account numbers for UN figures and "biographic and biometric information on UN Security Council permanent representatives".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un
Washington is running a secret intelligence campaign targeted at the leadership of the United Nations, including the secretary general, Ban Ki-moon and the permanent security council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK.
A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications.
It called for detailed biometric information "on key UN officials, to include undersecretaries, heads of specialised agencies and their chief advisers, top SYG [secretary general] aides, heads of peace operations and political field missions, including force commanders" as well as intelligence on Ban's "management and decision-making style and his influence on the secretariat". A parallel intelligence directive sent to diplomats in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi said biometric data included DNA, fingerprints and iris scans.
Washington also wanted credit card numbers, email addresses, phone, fax and pager numbers and even frequent-flyer account numbers for UN figures and "biographic and biometric information on UN Security Council permanent representatives".
http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/08/09TRIPOLI677.html
CLASSIFIED BY: Joan Polaschik, Charge d'Affaires, U.S. Embassy
Tripoli, Department of State.
REASON: 1.4 (b), (d)
¶1. (C) CODEL McCain discussed security, counterterrorism, and
civil-nuclear cooperation during August 14 meetings with Libyan
leader Muammar al-Qadhafi and his son, National Security Advisor
Muatassim al-Qadhafi, stressing the need for Libya to fulfill
its WMD-related commitments and to approve a Section 505
end-user agreement in order to move forward on bilateral
military and civil-nuclear engagement. While Muatassim
al-Qadhafi reiterated long-standing Libyan requests for security
assurances from the United States and emphasized Libya's
interest in the purchase of U.S. lethal and non-lethal military
equipment, Muammar al-Qadhafi was notably silent on these
subjects. The elder Qadhafi made a point of expressing his
satisfaction with the improved U.S relationship and his hope
that the relationship would continue to flourish. CODEL
McCain's discussion of the Megrahi case was reported ref A. End
summary.
THE MEETING
¶2. (SBU) CODEL McCain (R-Az), including Senator Joe Lieberman
(I-CT), Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Senator Susan Collins
(R-SC) and Senate Armed Services Committee Staffer Richard
Fontaine held back-to-back meetings August 14 with Libyan
National Security Advisor Muatassim al-Qadhafi and Libyan leader
Muammar Al-Qadhafi. Libyan officials NSC Director Dr. Hend
Siala, MFA Department of Americas Secretary Ahmed Fituri and MFA
Office of Americas Director Mohamed Matari also attended the
meetings, as did Charge and Pol/Econ Chief (notetaker).
MUATASSIM MEETING SECURITY FOCUSED
¶3. (C) Characterizing the overall pace of the bilateral
relationship as excellent, CODEL McCain opened its August 14
meeting with National Security Advisor Muatassim al-Qadhafi by
noting the drastic change that the relationship had undergone
over the last five years. "We never would have guessed ten
years ago that we would be sitting in Tripoli, being welcomed by
a son of Muammar al-Qadhafi," remarked Senator Lieberman. He
stated that the situation demonstrated that change is possible
and expressed appreciation that Libya had kept its promises to
give up its WMD program and renounce terrorism. Lieberman
called Libya an important ally in the war on terrorism, noting
that common enemies sometimes make better friends. The Senators
recognized Libya's cooperation on counterterrorism and conveyed
that it was in the interest of both countries to make the
relationship stronger. They encouraged Libya to sign the Highly
Enriched Uranium transfer agreement by August 15 in order to
fulfill its obligation to transfer its nuclear spent fuel to
Russia for treatment and disposal. (Note: The Libyan Government
subsequently informed us of its intent to sign the agreement on
August 17 and has begun taking good-faith steps to do so (ref
B). End note.)
CLASSIFIED BY: Joan Polaschik, Charge d'Affaires, U.S. Embassy
Tripoli, Department of State.
REASON: 1.4 (b), (d)
¶1. (C) CODEL McCain discussed security, counterterrorism, and
civil-nuclear cooperation during August 14 meetings with Libyan
leader Muammar al-Qadhafi and his son, National Security Advisor
Muatassim al-Qadhafi, stressing the need for Libya to fulfill
its WMD-related commitments and to approve a Section 505
end-user agreement in order to move forward on bilateral
military and civil-nuclear engagement. While Muatassim
al-Qadhafi reiterated long-standing Libyan requests for security
assurances from the United States and emphasized Libya's
interest in the purchase of U.S. lethal and non-lethal military
equipment, Muammar al-Qadhafi was notably silent on these
subjects. The elder Qadhafi made a point of expressing his
satisfaction with the improved U.S relationship and his hope
that the relationship would continue to flourish. CODEL
McCain's discussion of the Megrahi case was reported ref A. End
summary.
THE MEETING
¶2. (SBU) CODEL McCain (R-Az), including Senator Joe Lieberman
(I-CT), Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Senator Susan Collins
(R-SC) and Senate Armed Services Committee Staffer Richard
Fontaine held back-to-back meetings August 14 with Libyan
National Security Advisor Muatassim al-Qadhafi and Libyan leader
Muammar Al-Qadhafi. Libyan officials NSC Director Dr. Hend
Siala, MFA Department of Americas Secretary Ahmed Fituri and MFA
Office of Americas Director Mohamed Matari also attended the
meetings, as did Charge and Pol/Econ Chief (notetaker).
MUATASSIM MEETING SECURITY FOCUSED
¶3. (C) Characterizing the overall pace of the bilateral
relationship as excellent, CODEL McCain opened its August 14
meeting with National Security Advisor Muatassim al-Qadhafi by
noting the drastic change that the relationship had undergone
over the last five years. "We never would have guessed ten
years ago that we would be sitting in Tripoli, being welcomed by
a son of Muammar al-Qadhafi," remarked Senator Lieberman. He
stated that the situation demonstrated that change is possible
and expressed appreciation that Libya had kept its promises to
give up its WMD program and renounce terrorism. Lieberman
called Libya an important ally in the war on terrorism, noting
that common enemies sometimes make better friends. The Senators
recognized Libya's cooperation on counterterrorism and conveyed
that it was in the interest of both countries to make the
relationship stronger. They encouraged Libya to sign the Highly
Enriched Uranium transfer agreement by August 15 in order to
fulfill its obligation to transfer its nuclear spent fuel to
Russia for treatment and disposal. (Note: The Libyan Government
subsequently informed us of its intent to sign the agreement on
August 17 and has begun taking good-faith steps to do so (ref
B). End note.)
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Officers of the United States Government should be on trial -- not PFC Bradley Manning. [View all]
Octafish
Jun 2013
OP
Big difference is I post useful information that adds to what we know about the gangsters.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#90
What you just posted is nonsense. Everyone here is subject to being asked for links with backup.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#134
Of course you don't, but a whole lot of other people, do. Occulus, a great DUer like Octafish
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#197
So far, due to the fact that RFK Jr has credibility, as opposed to his few detractors, and I
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#265
+ a million. And it would be a perfect 100% over the people high fiving that personal attack on him
Number23
Jun 2013
#202
I couldn't agree more, and I have no doubt at all that a majority of people here
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#195
yup, their anti vax woo, as well as constant campaigning against Dems, makes DU special...
dionysus
Jun 2013
#255
Call it what you want, you're still wrong. Greenwald is correct on Manning vs. the Warmongers
Octafish
Jun 2013
#329
Sid - Ellsberg didn't have time to read all the Pentagon Papers, either. Your argument is trash.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#234
Excellent post and everyone knows that the nonsensical claim that 'he didn't read
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#270
Sid, Ellsberg actually says the term "data dump" . . ." is the opposite of the truth."
leveymg
Jun 2013
#294
But, not a single act of persecution as a result of a quarter million unvetted docs in 3 yrs?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#314
That's a little circular. Secrets to protect secrets, etc. Are you speculating, or is that based in
leveymg
Jun 2013
#319
I just amended the previous post to give an example. And then I found this one:
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#320
As someone who's prepared hundreds of Ethiopian asylum claims, I am not in the least
leveymg
Jun 2013
#321
I think there is no question we would be better off if it had not been released. If Manning had
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#135
I did not read all the Wikileaks, but I feel better off that he released them.
JDPriestly
Jun 2013
#153
We are better off, although it may take a while for this country to acknowledge that.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#204
I'll take the most famous and most credible Whistle Blower's word on that. Daniel
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#164
absolute garbage. Who is this "private entity" that has "hostility to the USA"?
Swagman
Jun 2013
#231
That he didn't follow "legal procedures" doesn't make him any less a whistleblower - it just put him
leveymg
Jun 2013
#299
The difference is, Nixon unleashed the Plumbers on Ellsberg and got himself Impeached.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#315
No. Otherwise the Pentagon would not report that national security was not harmed by WikiLeaks.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#5
He has not been convicted, yet you think him so. Is that based on something you learned on tee vee?
Octafish
Jun 2013
#12
Strange. My link below works fine but Premium's does not. I don't see the difference.
randome
Jun 2013
#91
The thing is that CBS report also goes to The Times article that was debunked from 3 years ago.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#125
There are zero follow-up reports. No evidence reported. Three years on. Ergo, de-bunked.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#165
Leaking the names of hundreds of overseas informants was NOT the right thing to do.
randome
Jun 2013
#38
Great question. Thanks also for sharing that story about your relative, the WAC.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#248
Alot of us are not that familar with the UCMJ so could you link the specific section that
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#173
Great. A splash page for the show. The only place I've seen anyone link to such is Free Republic.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#22
So? That's a different thing, entirely. You have yet to show where I called anyone a freeper.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#121
Do you have source materials, an 8 minute video from an opnion show is not really news.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#23
Even in the crappiest democracy there wouldn't be assassination of Americans without trial.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#291
The pentagon does not have covert agents in the field. Get back to me when the CIA says it has not
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#132
Are we five years old now? Is any country going to acknowledge the elimination of its agents or
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#167
LOL, Manning didn't do that. He released hundreds of thousands of documents at random.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#168
LOL is an entirely appropriate response. He had options for addressing the specific wrongdoing
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#180
You mean, apart from the Army's interns at CNN and NPR, a direct phone call from CIA works wonders.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#338
What I know: People killed by Bradley Manning-0. People killed by Bush & Cheney-100,000+
Octafish
Jun 2013
#335
Bush. Cheney. Powell. Rumsfeld...When will they go on trial for lying America into war?
Octafish
Jun 2013
#20
'Washington Babylon' explains why things are so messed up that money really does trump peace.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#31
And yet in one case we are told to 'turn the page, look forward, turn a blind eye to crime'
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#27
I advocate for the prosecution of Bush, Cheney et al, often on my radio show. So thats not true. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#129
I'm eagerly awaiting the trials of the murderers and other miscreants he exposed.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#21
Wait a second!!! That makes no sense!! Manning dumps 700k documents and videos and
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#52
We needed a Bradley Manning to tell us that Bush and Cheney are criminals??? I think not. nt
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#117
Obviously, the "dumping" of documents was harmless and he should be released.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#56
Those named were corrupt officials whose names were originally in a Dari-language academic paper.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#300
It's interesting that in 3 yrs since that article appeared, not one verified case of harm.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#310
Believe me, if there was one severed head, we would have seen it. Over and over and over again.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#313
Great point. The thing is, the other documents revealed State Department work for money grubbers.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#253
It is well known that there is a rather large portion of Govt. that is above the law.
Dragonfli
Jun 2013
#28
(02:14:21 PM) Manning: listened and lip-synced to Lady Gaga’s Telephone while exfiltratrating possi
msanthrope
Jun 2013
#114
Stomping on a lowly soldier who got disgusted with our horrible forever wars...
Peace Patriot
Jun 2013
#43
Bush has the blood of (at a minimum) 100,000 innocent poeple on his hands. Go
CharlesInCharge
Jun 2013
#203
If it were not for the original sin of Operation Shocking and Awful, Manning
CharlesInCharge
Jun 2013
#210
If Manning hadn't volunteered to join the Army, he never would have served either.
MADem
Jun 2013
#211
Well, if you go back to my original post that began this little sub-thread
CharlesInCharge
Jun 2013
#212
Your Cheney and my Cheney are two quite different monsters. The last time
CharlesInCharge
Jun 2013
#218
Good grief, that's an advocacy site read by less than one percent of the country.
MADem
Jun 2013
#221
But there is one for what constitutes "news"--and a cite from three years ago is not news. nt
MADem
Jun 2013
#328
Can you explain why in 3 yrs there hasn't been a single verified victim of the "data dump"?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#318
Me, too. OTOH, the leaders who lied America into war aren't getting deserved attention these days.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#282
Presidenture Poppy Bush and Secretary Cheney broke the law by lying America into war in 1990.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#330
As opposed to "Did you come up with that all by yourself"? You think that's original? nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#182
I'm happy to let DUers interpret whether "Did you come up with that all by yourself?" addresses
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#189
1. Totally agree and K and R. 2. Slightly off topic: does anyone have a relevant link
Smarmie Doofus
Jun 2013
#138
Daniel Ellsberg talking about Manning case on The Cycle (MSNBC): link from Charles Pierce's column
deurbano
Jun 2013
#143
I believe there is already something in place Manning could have used which is
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#175
Another hero, who like Manning, would not sacrifice his humanity. He rescued the two children
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#163
"The truth is Manning has done a great service, both to MI5 and the UK as a whole."
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#250