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Yo_Mama

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7. I think the issue probably is chest capacity
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jun 2013

How many 10 year olds - especially with a life-threatening condition, which tends to affect growth - have a chest that could accommodate an adult pair of lungs?

I suppose they could try to trim them up, but obviously that's going to make the process more risky. It's awful, but suppose one out of two kids would survive such an attempt, but two out three older persons will?

This is harrowing stuff at best, and this certainly isn't the best. Maybe policies aren't the same everywhere.

I found these statistics which looked like the wait for pediatric lung transplants isn't that bad:
http://www.stlouischildrens.org/our-services/lung-transplant-program/statistics

But that's St. Louis. CHOP seems to do less of them and not have as good outcomes:
http://www.chop.edu/service/lung-transplant-program/volumes-and-outcomes.html

Size does seem to be the issue with kids:
http://www.chop.edu/service/lung-transplant-program/lung-transplant-waiting-list.html

Lungs are allocated to patients based on the age, height, and blood type of the patient. Patients that are <12 years old, lungs are allocated as per body size (height), blood type, and amount of time on the waiting list. Patients that are 12 years and >, lungs are allocated based on a scoring system that determines who on the waitlist is the most sick versus who has been on the list the longest.


Stanford's page also refers to size matching:
http://www.lpch.org/DiseaseHealthInfo/HealthLibrary/transplant/lungstran.html
When a donor lung becomes available, a computer searches all the people on the waiting list for a lung and sets aside those who are not good matches for the available lung. A new list is made from the remaining candidates. The person at the top of the specialized list is considered for the transplant. If he/she is not a good candidate, for whatever reason, the next person is considered, and so forth. Some reasons that people lower on the list might be considered before a person at the top include the size of the donor organ and the geographic distance between the donor and the recipient.

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I have a hard time understanding this rule laundry_queen Jun 2013 #1
I think the issue probably is chest capacity Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #7
I understand that laundry_queen Jun 2013 #8
You can give lungs to an adult where they will fit, or you can give them to a child LisaL Jun 2013 #35
Not talking about sticking lungs from a 6 foot tall guy into a 5 year old. laundry_queen Jun 2013 #41
This must be gut wrenching for Sec. Sebelius... PennsylvaniaMatt Jun 2013 #2
i can understand that but how about changing it so the rule applies to all kids JI7 Jun 2013 #4
I have remarkably less concern for Sibelius than for the child. Psephos Jun 2013 #12
And if that was the case nobodyspecial Jun 2013 #13
All or none for you, I see. Psephos Jun 2013 #14
And you don't think the rich .... oldhippie Jun 2013 #30
So, to prevent meddling by the rich, children may sometimes have to die. Psephos Jun 2013 #32
I made a comment in another thread Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #17
well said n/t Psephos Jun 2013 #22
but who gets the lungs? If you make lungs available, who gets it? There are lots of sick liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #26
The good answer is... Psephos Jun 2013 #33
They are all exceptional cases Politicub Jun 2013 #34
By definition of the word exceptional, they are not all exceptional. Psephos Jun 2013 #38
they are all dying. The doctors do prioritize as best they can. They do try to put the sickest liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #40
I think the problem here is that the doctors don't think it will work. Am I wrong? freshwest Jun 2013 #42
does anyone know why there is the age rule ? does it have to do with JI7 Jun 2013 #3
It has to do with lung size. Adult lungs don't fit DevonRex Jun 2013 #6
They are able to modify the lungs laundry_queen Jun 2013 #10
When I was hunting around Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #15
All interesting laundry_queen Jun 2013 #23
Apparently they are on the same list, but the criteria are different Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #24
Yes, only bilater lung transplants will work for CF. LisaL Jun 2013 #36
She has CF. LisaL Jun 2013 #37
I know that. The blog of the person I'm talking about laundry_queen Jun 2013 #39
I think once they transplant non-CF lungs Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #43
Me thinks the Secretary's comments are comparable to a governor stating he would not stay the indepat Jun 2013 #5
No, that's not fair Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #9
Not having cut Madame Secretary a bit of slack was not cool: my indepat Jun 2013 #11
It's totally understandable Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #16
I feel for the family, my older daughter is only about a year younger then this girl. Jennicut Jun 2013 #21
Notwithstanding my mea culpa, a Federal judge has reportedly ruled the little girl can get indepat Jun 2013 #25
+1 Raine1967 Jun 2013 #19
Ms. Sebelius is not a doctor -- Raine1967 Jun 2013 #18
Anyone remember the name Sun Hudson? Roland99 Jun 2013 #20
Update: A federal judge has agreed to prevent HHS from enforcing the age rule, giving Sarah a chance Ian David Jun 2013 #27
It seems like there are no good answers here. That said, when you're talking about saving a child's Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #28
I have to agree with Sibelius about her role. Shrike47 Jun 2013 #29
Death panels...indeed! eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #31
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