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In reply to the discussion: Fuck the High Road: The Upside of Sinking to Their (Misogynist) Level [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)164. Yes, pity me in that I see women as my equals, not my enemies, and that
I share my life with a strong, vibrant woman who challenges me as much as I challenge her, rather than writing alpha-male fantasies and passing them off as real life
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2512380
In a 19 year career, it has taken a lot of unlearning to cease deferring to female colleagues based on a perceived weakness to be accounted for.
As a man, and to survive in a 2013 workplace I have had to connect to the feminine worldview. In fact, I started executive coaching on the issue because frankly I am that good at reading it.
What I discovered is that as long as other men continue this abhorrent tradition, women come to expect it as the norm and it makes them targets for men like me. I unashamedly, and using very feminine tactics have single handedly crushed my female business competitors by utilizing their own social structures against them quite effectively. I especially love the crocodile tears that get resorted to as if I even care. This isn't 1950 and I don't care. I quickly remind these women of their professional positions that dictate flat and emotionless interactions.
For the wary exec, this transition provides some very useful chaos in which to hide and self promote, but until this practice ceases to exist and we truly interact as equals, it ultimately hurts women by faulty conditioning.
As a man, and to survive in a 2013 workplace I have had to connect to the feminine worldview. In fact, I started executive coaching on the issue because frankly I am that good at reading it.
What I discovered is that as long as other men continue this abhorrent tradition, women come to expect it as the norm and it makes them targets for men like me. I unashamedly, and using very feminine tactics have single handedly crushed my female business competitors by utilizing their own social structures against them quite effectively. I especially love the crocodile tears that get resorted to as if I even care. This isn't 1950 and I don't care. I quickly remind these women of their professional positions that dictate flat and emotionless interactions.
For the wary exec, this transition provides some very useful chaos in which to hide and self promote, but until this practice ceases to exist and we truly interact as equals, it ultimately hurts women by faulty conditioning.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2926867
have always let my wife/gf pay the bills
its all in how the interaction is framed. ie:if you are feeling less a "man" then that is an antiquated view.
i get up, lift weights, hang by the pool, do a little consulting, go grab lunch, take a nap.
gf goes to work, does whatever she does there, comes home and generally makes dinner. she insists on cleaning on the weekends. shrug.
she would tell you that just having me here is worth it. its why i believe in gender equality, if lioness wants to hunt and make money, who am i to argue.
all i have to be is in shape, socially outgoing, and smarter than most people around. slam dunk. more men should try it.
its all in how the interaction is framed. ie:if you are feeling less a "man" then that is an antiquated view.
i get up, lift weights, hang by the pool, do a little consulting, go grab lunch, take a nap.
gf goes to work, does whatever she does there, comes home and generally makes dinner. she insists on cleaning on the weekends. shrug.
she would tell you that just having me here is worth it. its why i believe in gender equality, if lioness wants to hunt and make money, who am i to argue.
all i have to be is in shape, socially outgoing, and smarter than most people around. slam dunk. more men should try it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2927976
was married, now w girlfriend
its just not a good contract for a man to sign because, frankly you don't have to in this culture. many many many (the vast majority under 35) women no longer require or even want commitment before they will engage you in a physical relationship, and if you are attractive enough as a man, they really don't even require monogamy.
i am 38 and have 2 boys and an exwife (she lifesplit, pretty sad girl), so while more kids would be great it isn't a huge drive for me. current gf is 24 and makes a killing.
women in my circles are trending towards better jobs, much better pay, and imo hate their lives, and they readily sign up for a pleasant stable home life to counteract the disasters that they see in their careers. (especially STEM or financial jobs)
im in great shape. stay tan cleaning the pool, eat paleo, lift weights.
it works.
its just not a good contract for a man to sign because, frankly you don't have to in this culture. many many many (the vast majority under 35) women no longer require or even want commitment before they will engage you in a physical relationship, and if you are attractive enough as a man, they really don't even require monogamy.
i am 38 and have 2 boys and an exwife (she lifesplit, pretty sad girl), so while more kids would be great it isn't a huge drive for me. current gf is 24 and makes a killing.
women in my circles are trending towards better jobs, much better pay, and imo hate their lives, and they readily sign up for a pleasant stable home life to counteract the disasters that they see in their careers. (especially STEM or financial jobs)
im in great shape. stay tan cleaning the pool, eat paleo, lift weights.
it works.
Your ability to stay in character is admirable.
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Fuck the High Road: The Upside of Sinking to Their (Misogynist) Level [View all]
WilliamPitt
Jun 2013
OP
Considering your 1st response was entirely fact-free, how else should I respond?
Katashi_itto
Jun 2013
#13
Again, spouting a bunch of talking points, doesn't make the fact you've got a small group of
Katashi_itto
Jun 2013
#16
Have you once in your entire DU posting history discussed feminism, feminists,
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#51
Again your credibility to make judgmental statements concerning my level of
Katashi_itto
Jun 2013
#145
Ooooooooooooooo! "Shrieking". Now you're pulling out the heavy artillery.
BlancheSplanchnik
Jun 2013
#214
Speaking of cartoons - did you know that it's very common that internet trolls can't spell?
Matariki
Jun 2013
#102
Ahhh, so you continue to attack my writing style rather than anything approaching substance.
EOTE
Jun 2013
#82
Actually, I did, champ. It's not my fault you have such a difficult time, you know, reading and
EOTE
Jun 2013
#96
So calling out women who think that all men think that rape is cutesy and fun is hating women?
EOTE
Jun 2013
#86
Again, reading really helps. I've already explained this to you. Do you need me to show you again?
EOTE
Jun 2013
#101
LOL! You again? In another subthread repeating the same bullshit you just said to someone else?
Buzz Clik
Jun 2013
#45
Well, since you're now on the record as stating that feminism is useless,
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#239
Is said that? I challenge you to provide a quote where I said anything similar.
Buzz Clik
Jun 2013
#244
"Most progressive women needn't be feminists because Democrats take care of the issues that matter
Starry Messenger
Jun 2013
#202
The Democratic party has those positions because of the feminist movement.
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#245
What the hell makes you think feminism isn't about equal pay, equal access
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#249
We often see that which we want to-- regardless of whether dragons exist or not.
LanternWaste
Jun 2013
#88
You couldn't be wrong about the people your labeling cartoon feminists that broad brush all men
Arcanetrance
Jun 2013
#131
please be good enough to link to various threads of these cartoon feminists. three or four will do.
niyad
Jun 2013
#160
The anti-feminist creeps are a minority, though a loud and obnoxious one. nt
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#6
How can an *individual's* behavior become an issue for the entire other gender?
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2013
#169
I said "to the degree." False accusations of rape are an exceedingly rare occurrence
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#175
k and r--thank you for posting this. I have absolutely no problem engaging these woman-haters.
niyad
Jun 2013
#3
When people witness oppressive behavior and say nothing, it gives the implication to others
Hissyspit
Jun 2013
#235
you change people by meeting people face to face, forming friendships, and showing them
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#15
But that takes two. I only ever see one side of that being denigrated here on DU.
Squinch
Jun 2013
#176
As always, when one breaks the "don't feed the trolls" rule, new rules kick in:
Buzz Clik
Jun 2013
#23
Interesting TED talk: Jackson Katz - Violence against women - it's a men's issue
Flaxbee
Jun 2013
#34
well, quite educated I am...and i was replying to your statement not accusing....anyone
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#187
i would agree if i wasnt so correct about the analysis....95% of the time.
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#197
Continuous success makes you seem arrogant and lazy because you lose the
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#201
Wow... this thread is like a textbook example of what the article is describing. Holy smokes. (n/t)
MadrasT
Jun 2013
#119
I think the worst one in this thread was the talk of "cartoon feminists."
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#210
While it's commendable that you "would never tell another woman she wasn't a feminist",
opiate69
Jun 2013
#262
Very few men are not guilty of debasing women or furthering the mysogyny.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#204
"Very few men are not guilty of debasing women or furthering the mysogyny."
Summer Hathaway
Jun 2013
#216
I don't subscribe to systems of belief that force labels on people based on their gender/race.
Kurska
Jun 2013
#272
I am not ascribing roles. Society ascribes roles. Myself and those like me are merely deconstructing
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#273
You seem to be saying despite the fact that I am a gay man and strong believer of gender equality.
Kurska
Jun 2013
#274
If you don't believe in ascribed roles, why do you feel the need to tell me you're a gay man?
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#275
Because I'm trying to emphasize to you that I have been the victim of trash you are talking about
Kurska
Jun 2013
#276
So you admit that your identity as a gay man carries certain negative consequences...
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#277
Yes, but I don't think every heterosexual is contributing to them simply be existing.
Kurska
Jun 2013
#278
It's not a matter of existing. It's a matter of participation in society.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#279
I don't think oppression is the summation of a million tiny things that add up.
Kurska
Jun 2013
#280
I'd say the people responsible for anti-gay actions or politics are the people who actually do them.
Kurska
Jun 2013
#282
Those are your words, not mine. I am saying that very few men are not guilty...
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#264