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68. The only problem is that I know of no place where prostituion is

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 07:36 PM

Jun 2013

legal and only consenting adults are involved. If legalizing it and regulating sit solved the problem, why does this happen?

"Some 10,000 foreign women in Germany are forced into prostitution. German law threatens them with deportation. That only plays into the hands of pimps and human traffickers, say women's rights organizations. "

http://www.dw.de/germany-lags-behind-in-protection-of-forced-prostitutes/a-16837388

Around 75 percent of the 5,000 to 8,000 prostitutes working in the city are from abroad, and many are believed to have been trafficked. Holland legalized prostitution in 2000 as a way of stopping exploitation, but evidence suggests that more women than ever are being forced into brothels against their will. A study from the London School of Economics published this winter found that in countries where selling sex was decriminalized, human trafficking has increased. While the number of women entering prostitution voluntarily grows under legalization, demand grows yet further, creating a shortfall filled by women trafficked and run by pimps.

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/03/amsterdams-latest-quest-tame-legalized-prostitution/5072/

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Wouldn't legalizing and taxing prostitution be easier than entrapment? villager Jun 2013 #1

Agree 100%. marmar Jun 2013 #2

definitely lame54 Jun 2013 #4

entrapment ? hhahahahha JI7 Jun 2013 #5

Yeah, but that wouldn't get as much publicity as ridiculous stunts like this. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #10

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Good luck with that MattBaggins Jun 2013 #96

Don't forget regulating and protecting safety. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #13

That would make way too much sense. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #22

And outside of boutique brothels how exactly do you imagine this is going to work? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #223

If they were unionized Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #239

If anyone else said that I would assume it was sarcasm. But I know better... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #251

Yeah, 'cause that's exactly how it would work. Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #252

Well how would it work for street prostitution? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #258

You are making too much sense. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #47

We're in agreement here, GSC (!) villager Jun 2013 #49

But that would be safe, sane and reasonable LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #52

Unprotected: How Legalizing Prostitution Has Failed redqueen Jun 2013 #60

why do they go to poor countries to find women JI7 Jun 2013 #84

In some countries, like Cambodia ChazII Jun 2013 #100

because weathly and educated women don't want to turn $20 tricks? dlwickham Jun 2013 #126

$20?? blueamy66 Jun 2013 #217

We aren't supposed to care about them, only the privileged few who actually want to rent out redqueen Jun 2013 #165

but but but MattBaggins Jun 2013 #98

so the keep-it-illegal crowd thinks that that's the puppies & unicorns "solution" to a thousands-of- villager Jun 2013 #134

Compromise MattBaggins Jun 2013 #136

Well, if it's legal, do the married men have an expectation of privacy? villager Jun 2013 #141

Do women have a reasonable expectation that the state MattBaggins Jun 2013 #143

Many here seem to love state interference in private lives. Unless you're proposing making villager Jun 2013 #147

It is not a straw man MattBaggins Jun 2013 #170

As much straw as the Scarecrow. Not the state's job to snoop on people having affairs villager Jun 2013 #204

Your injecting personal ideas of morality into what is a health and safety problem. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #232

Incorrect MattBaggins Jun 2013 #234

you used "...adultery" that is a moral & societal construct Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #245

You decided for me my definition of adultery? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #249

You just defined adultery yourself. Again it's a moral & societal construct. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #256

Of course it is MattBaggins Jun 2013 #257

Please explain how shifting 100% of the risk from gangsters to trafficked women... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #220

The sad thing is how obvious it is how little attention people actually pay to the places where it's redqueen Jun 2013 #167

Then again, because it's legal, places like Amsterdam are able to offer more protections villager Jun 2013 #132

The Scandinavian model is best, IMO. redqueen Jun 2013 #169

A tacky tourist attraction isn't a great basis for sweeping policies Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #225

Then we need to do a better job Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #241

Entrapment does not mean what you think it means. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #63

If you legalize it MattBaggins Jun 2013 #92

I would hope so. Fawke Em Jun 2013 #105

Not unless you plan on reopening the conjugal "rights" can... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #202

That makes too much sense and pisses the preachers off Warpy Jun 2013 #111

and some want to try to convince me that there are women who really do want JI7 Jun 2013 #3

Heh ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #8

Unbelievable, isn't it? Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #14

Too true! October Jun 2013 #157

Actually, making it legal (and regulated as it typically goes) does make it significantly cleaner EOTE Jun 2013 #237

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*snort* ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #29

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More likely they're professional men with a certain amount of success Warpy Jun 2013 #146

That certainly happens. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #148

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Everybody calls the morality police these days. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #30

to try to support legalization and try to make it as if it's JI7 Jun 2013 #32

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what does it matter,there are random assholes trying to convince people that Zimmerman is innocent JI7 Jun 2013 #42

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To be fair, LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #102

Yes. These are women who have nothing else to fall on. They're at the bottom. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #118

There are and I've known them. Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #242

they are all men JI7 Jun 2013 #6

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Bald is a fashion statement ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #19

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The St. Paul Minnesota Police Department Jenoch Jun 2013 #7

The only thing shameful here is the wall of shame itself Uzair Jun 2013 #9

I know a man that hasn't paid for sex Renew Deal Jun 2013 #15

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LOL... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #27

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Full disclosure: NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #31

1964 annabanana Jun 2013 #35

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Yeah, I've heard that song. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #45

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Is that Jerry of The Grateful Dead fame? NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #51

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+1000 Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #38

I think you're misinterpreting the comment... brooklynite Jun 2013 #152

I don't think I know any who have mythology Jun 2013 #163

So association with a prostitute Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #244

That says more about you and your circle of friends than it does about anything else. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #50

Uh, what? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #64

"I don't know a single man who hasn't paid for sex at one time or another" shawn703 Jun 2013 #66

"I don't know a single men who hasn't paid for sex at one time or another." geek tragedy Jun 2013 #69

You know one now. MineralMan Jun 2013 #75

By "paid for sex" do you include having to put up with her incessent chatter afterwards? Bucky Jun 2013 #82

Why should they get rid of police blotters for that crime MattBaggins Jun 2013 #103

Fair question. Prostitutes don't enjoy that luxury, for the exact same transaction. freshwest Jun 2013 #145

But do DAs go to the trouble of collecting their photos... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #173

Are you Tien1985 Jun 2013 #144

I'm a man who has never paid for sex. Nice to meet you! RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #188

Give me a call when you're in vegas. The Mrs. & I will take you out for drinks and then you will Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #201

I have never paid for sex. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #208

I don't know what sort of company you keep, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #231

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Exactly. It's not an endorsement, just a more sensible allocation of society's resources villager Jun 2013 #16

The only problem is that I know of no place where prostituion is hedgehog Jun 2013 #68

shows it is usually the poor and those lacking resources who are brought into this JI7 Jun 2013 #76

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Unfortunately, Warren, I don't think the drug war... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #138

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I hope you're right. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #142

What's really disgusting is that the DA couldn't even wait until he got convictions. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #17

The DA is a woman Renew Deal Jun 2013 #20

I stand corrected. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #116

You think Kathleen Rice gives a shit? name not needed Jun 2013 #87

Wow, that is disgusting. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #104

Police blotters are not illegal MattBaggins Jun 2013 #107

Why should I care if two consenting adults want to engage in this kind of activity Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #18

one reason to care, maybe two Whisp Jun 2013 #33

"We don't know if all of these encounters are 'consenting', do we?" Thread winner Number23 Jun 2013 #36

If it's not consensual then it's rape Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #55

Freedom is the absense of coercion, not just being unimpeded by authority. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #229

Something I Think People Should Keep In Mind erpowers Jun 2013 #34

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Thank you...that's exactly my point! davidn3600 Jun 2013 #58

and this is more often the case than looking to fiction like "pretty woman" JI7 Jun 2013 #44

Then arrest the pimps.... davidn3600 Jun 2013 #53

There is not an endless supply of johns. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #62

Just like we can win the drug war by teaching kids just to say no to drugs? davidn3600 Jun 2013 #70

There is a BIG difference between using drugs and using women's bodies. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #83

exactly, why equate women who are human beings with things JI7 Jun 2013 #85

The viewpoint is from that of the man, not of the woman he exploits. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #88

Prostitution has been around since the dawn of civilization. Im sorry...but we won't stop it. davidn3600 Jun 2013 #90

So have murder, child molestation, poverty, and exploitation. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #101

Touch�. Thank you for your common sense. n/t ChazII Jun 2013 #117

"murder, child molestation, poverty, and exploitation" -- don't involve consent Yavin4 Jun 2013 #176

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One could argue they do. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #235

You aren't supposed to think about the women and their lives MattBaggins Jun 2013 #109

These photographs help those women immensely jberryhill Jun 2013 #186

Not a looker in the bunch... Number23 Jun 2013 #37

They are innocent until proven guilty. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #56

Why do you keep posting this? And what on earth does it have to do with what I posted? Number23 Jun 2013 #150

If prostitutes can be arrested for having sex...why not the men? Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #54

But there were no prostitutes here. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #72

Same with Drug Dealers and Drug Users. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #73

I'm sure there are tons of women who would fuck every single one of these geek tragedy Jun 2013 #59

Yes, the streets are so much safer. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #74

Cutting down on the demand for prostitution is a good thing for society nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #77

That's what Anslinger, Nixon, etc. said about drugs. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #113

this is the type of logic used by Romney and sweatshops in China JI7 Jun 2013 #79

They are innocent until proven guilty. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #95

Hence the wives filing for divorce. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #243

They are innocent until proven guilty. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #93

Phew. We will simply not be safe on the streets until the men answering fake ads on backpage.com Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #61

Those should be mug shots of bankers and corporate CEOs and a certain ex-POTUS and ex-Veep Auggie Jun 2013 #65

I absolutely disagree with this Skittles Jun 2013 #67

+1 Auggie Jun 2013 #86

+1000 LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #91

Home run! NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #121

+1 In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #255

I'm always intrigued by the factions that come out on this topic CincyDem Jun 2013 #71

Most of them will plead guilty... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #114

Why don't they do this to shoplifters or traffic scofflaws? MrSlayer Jun 2013 #78

They do this to every one MattBaggins Jun 2013 #112

I never see a rogues gallery like this for other "crimes". MrSlayer Jun 2013 #124

I have seen this for drug busts, drunk driving MattBaggins Jun 2013 #131

I don't agree with any of that. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #154

"So yeah, it's better that their wives be left in the dark about it." MattBaggins Jun 2013 #156

Whatever dude. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #159

Oh please MattBaggins Jun 2013 #160

Again. Black and white. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #164

I'm sure everyone was as concerned about the poor, poor victims of To Catch a Predator. nt redqueen Jun 2013 #171

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Ah, the adultery police. What a wonderful use of taxpayer dollars. name not needed Jun 2013 #193

I'm pretty sure that sex with prostitutes and lying to one's wife is a pretty good indicator LanternWaste Jun 2013 #254

Does this look like a record of "what police were doing last night"? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2013 #149

I don't like police blotters at all. Any of them MattBaggins Jun 2013 #151

Those with traffic citations left to go into warrant are posted in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #253

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Good to see the Nassau County PD still doing absolutely nothing with that budget of theirs. name not needed Jun 2013 #81

No entrapment in any of the cases: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #89

And they will be back on the streets doing it again tomorrow davidn3600 Jun 2013 #94

Demand reduction is only part of the solution. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #99

Good. duffyduff Jun 2013 #97

I think consenting adults should be allowed to have sex Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #106

They are. But it's illegal to sell it in most states. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #119

consenting adults they should be allowed to have sex under whatever conditions are mutually Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #123

Even where it's legal, it's heavily regulated because it poses a risk to the public at large. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #135

I think the greater good would be served by having it legal and regulated Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #158

They haven't been convicted. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #110

Same thing happens to the prostitutes justiceischeap Jun 2013 #127

Its wrong in both cases. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #129

Yuk. Disgusting little dirty men. Good they're finally going after the ones who use the services Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #115

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You would think the older ones... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #130

LOL! nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #137

I bet their heads got small real fast Whisp Jun 2013 #194

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Do you some of you really want Law Enforcement entrapping you to commit a crime? Yavin4 Jun 2013 #120

Stupid morality laws. Just legalize prostitution LittleBlue Jun 2013 #125

There are prostitutes in theocracies Yavin4 Jun 2013 #133

Think again LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #162

If I were to cherry-pick some police blotters... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #128

The only way to protect men, women, and children from being exploited by prostitution is to legalize Yavin4 Jun 2013 #139

Except where it has been made legal, that is far from the case. redqueen Jun 2013 #172

If that is an accurate report, then Germany needs to tighten its regulations Yavin4 Jun 2013 #175

Not just Germany. redqueen Jun 2013 #177

Your article is being refuted by other sources Yavin4 Jun 2013 #180

Funny how the sex industry is the one multi-billion dollar global industry redqueen Jun 2013 #181

Prohibition criminalizes consensual behavior Yavin4 Jun 2013 #182

That's not true at all. Where I live it's legal and regulated and there's no stigma... Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #238

how exactly do you propose regulating street prostitution? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #226

Street prostitution would violate regulations Yavin4 Jun 2013 #236

So how is that different than status quo? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #250

Wall of Shame SamKnause Jun 2013 #153

"Upscale Nassau County" ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #155

lol Renew Deal Jun 2013 #166

Thank GAWD for the government!! tabasco Jun 2013 #161

"a" prostitute?! n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #168

It would be better to show the photographs of the Pimps Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #174

The men who pay desperate women to rent out their bodies aren't exploiting them? redqueen Jun 2013 #178

why should i give a shit as to who has sex with whom? arely staircase Jun 2013 #179

because there is exploitation involved as mentioned above, why do they usually go to poor places to JI7 Jun 2013 #183

a good argument for taking it out of the black market undeground, no? arely staircase Jun 2013 #184

but why still go to poor women without other options ? JI7 Jun 2013 #185

rich men have the money to hire more educated/independant "working girls" arely staircase Jun 2013 #187

she wasn't educated, she was trying to get into the music business JI7 Jun 2013 #189

so am i arely staircase Jun 2013 #190

she didn't get into the music industry so not sure what options you are talking about JI7 Jun 2013 #191

neither did i arely staircase Jun 2013 #192

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Proof that poverty doesn't exist in America BainsBane Jun 2013 #203

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I was told there would be no math BainsBane Jun 2013 #207

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Think it through BainsBane Jun 2013 #212

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but these things don't exist in an ideal world BainsBane Jun 2013 #214

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possibly BainsBane Jun 2013 #216

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These guys don't go to prison BainsBane Jun 2013 #222

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I see it as way to try to invoke social sanction BainsBane Jun 2013 #228

wealth is the mirror face of poverty; the more of one, the more of the other, & the greater HiPointDem Jun 2013 #206

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She got a harsh sentence; her pimp got twenty days...didn't seem fair to me, that. MADem Jun 2013 #233

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I propose defacto7 Jun 2013 #209

They weren't Prostitutes rightsideout Jun 2013 #218

Other than sex, what does your trailer in the desert have in common with skid row? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #227

Fucking stupid. Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #219

America the melting pot--that looks like the men's room at the UN!!!! MADem Jun 2013 #230

I think this is great. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #240

With few exceptions why would any of these men care, and why is it anyone else's business? Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #246

I think this is just stupid. HappyMe Jun 2013 #247