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defacto7

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213. Oh, Sure!

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:40 AM

Jun 2013

No, I figured you were working out a grand philosophy of some kind. I was just trying to squeeze into this fray somewhere and it wasn't easy. Wow, what a crazy ball of weird this thread has become and not anything worthy of the OP in my opinion... but then I'm just old and cranky!! 'bunch a goddamn whippersnappers!

I hope I am on the side of Feminism at least I want to be, but I will have to say when these arguments come up it is rather confusing to me where anyone stands. I think the real point should be to never seek to do harm to anyone, ever, period. People can insert the gender, age, monetary status, or whatever of their choice.

Oh shit, now I'm adding something and the minions of hell will descend on me in moments. Roger and out.

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Fuck the High Road: The Upside of Sinking to Their (Misogynist) Level [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2013 OP

Ignoring misogynists is not the right thing to do. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #1

Sure this will go well. On a website that thinks feminists boston bean Jun 2013 #2

Incorrect, not all feminists on DU... Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #4

Cool story, bro. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #5

Riggghhhtt... Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #10

Devastating, fact-based, empirically sound rejoinder. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12

Considering your 1st response was entirely fact-free, how else should I respond? Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #13

Because many anti-feminists have made the same bullshit accusation geek tragedy Jun 2013 #14

Again, spouting a bunch of talking points, doesn't make the fact you've got a small group of Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #16

The only cartoon feminists are in your imagination. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #18

If thats your best example, espeically with who I was talking with Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #21

Given that you explicitly endorsed rape porn geek tragedy Jun 2013 #24

Seriously...thats the best you can do? Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #28

you said you liked a picture that promoted violence against women. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #29

Comprehension is a skill bourne of practice...See #24 Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #30

Again, you are supremely unqualified to judge feminist credentials, and geek tragedy Jun 2013 #31

Ah the "strawman argument...I was wondering when that would come up Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #32

I did. And you proved her right. Juries hid the wrong comments. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #35

You have just had your ass handed to you in this thread. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #36

Reality free as usual :) Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #43

Have you once in your entire DU posting history discussed feminism, feminists, geek tragedy Jun 2013 #51

"Have you once in your entire DU posting history...." thucythucy Jun 2013 #130

It's amazing, they claim to be in touch with how the vast geek tragedy Jun 2013 #133

Look at this BainsBane Jun 2013 #167

A real charmer. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #168

Not particularly. I provided plenty of evidence, as have others here. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #136

So post a link to a thread wherein thucythucy Jun 2013 #137

Again, I'm talking with Freeper mind set. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #139

So your answer is no, you can't point to a single post thucythucy Jun 2013 #184

You have provided zero evidence that you oppose misogyny, violence geek tragedy Jun 2013 #138

So why should I care if you do? Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #140

That you don't take the concerns of feminists seriously has geek tragedy Jun 2013 #141

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #142

The fact that you use language like "real feminists" indicates geek tragedy Jun 2013 #144

Again your credibility to make judgmental statements concerning my level of Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #145

Your behavior here is exactly that of a man who enjoys baiting women geek tragedy Jun 2013 #163

Ooooooooooooooo! "Shrieking". Now you're pulling out the heavy artillery. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #214

You have just had your ass handed to you in this thread. AlbertCat Jun 2013 #54

You're awfully kind to assume that was sarcasm, but that poster geek tragedy Jun 2013 #72

to assume that was sarcasm AlbertCat Jun 2013 #77

Obvious if from someone who doesn't like to bait and antagonize women. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #78

Your posts are the only thing obvious. October Jun 2013 #109

You're posts are the only thing obvious. AlbertCat Jun 2013 #111

I know the difference between "you're" and "your." October Jun 2013 #217

I know the difference between "you're" and "your." AlbertCat Jun 2013 #234

"you're" BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #208

I know. Thank you, though. October Jun 2013 #218

oh, I was replying to Mr. Ito, not you! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #228

I do not recall seeing this picture before... slor Jun 2013 #50

Ford motors felt the same way and fired the agency. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #52

^^^This^^^. Wish I could rec your post to infinity - n/t CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #283

well then mercuryblues Jun 2013 #68

Real feminists don't talk back BainsBane Jun 2013 #170

Speaking of cartoons - did you know that it's very common that internet trolls can't spell? Matariki Jun 2013 #102

"born" BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #207

Holy Crap! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #223

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #61

The whining about 'misandry' is really childish. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #62

Or reverse racism. nt sufrommich Jun 2013 #63

or the gay mafia. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #64

or men holding doors open for women arely staircase Jun 2013 #128

give the stupid door issue a rest already geek tragedy Jun 2013 #129

So we should just ignore the several posters who do nothing but attack men? EOTE Jun 2013 #69

It is an unfortunate reality that one cannot discuss sexism and misogyny geek tragedy Jun 2013 #70

Great non-sequitor you've got there. EOTE Jun 2013 #73

The only people who see slams on "all men" are those who wish to geek tragedy Jun 2013 #74

Or, you know, people who are capable of modest amounts of comprehension. EOTE Jun 2013 #75

I don't typically take lessons on the English language geek tragedy Jun 2013 #76

Ahhh, so I'm not concise enough for you, is that it? EOTE Jun 2013 #79

You should work on your reading comprehension before geek tragedy Jun 2013 #81

Ahhh, so you continue to attack my writing style rather than anything approaching substance. EOTE Jun 2013 #82

If you would provide content and substance, I would be more geek tragedy Jun 2013 #87

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #92

No, you actually didn't provide actual words. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #93

Actually, I did, champ. It's not my fault you have such a difficult time, you know, reading and EOTE Jun 2013 #96

Gamesetmatch. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #103

Turn about is fair play, right, champ? EOTE Jun 2013 #105

Cool story, bro. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #117

You have an intense personal dislike of these women AlbertCat Jun 2013 #80

That person's contempt for those women is evident from their own writing geek tragedy Jun 2013 #83

So calling out women who think that all men think that rape is cutesy and fun is hating women? EOTE Jun 2013 #86

This is funny. I'm gonna bet you don't have a quote from anyone geek tragedy Jun 2013 #91

I already provided it for you. You promptly ignored it. EOTE Jun 2013 #95

I don't see the word "all" in there. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #99

Again, reading really helps. I've already explained this to you. Do you need me to show you again? EOTE Jun 2013 #101

+100 Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #104

This person takes a lot of words to say .... AlbertCat Jun 2013 #108

''all men or nearly all men''. Whisp Jun 2013 #89

There you go, reading AND comprehending stuff, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #94

Once you learn to do either, you'll be in much better shape. EOTE Jun 2013 #100

And do all men or nearly all men think that rape is "cutsey" or hilarious? EOTE Jun 2013 #98

just like not all men or nearly all men are blank blank blank Whisp Jun 2013 #110

So what's your take on post 57? thucythucy Jun 2013 #127

Now that was one perfectly stated post. thucythucy Jun 2013 #121

There are cartoon masculinists here. That's for sure. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #67

My favorite trick is how men who do nothing but bait women geek tragedy Jun 2013 #71

Geek Tragedy wins the thread! Matariki Jun 2013 #106

Haha! Well said. Quantess Jun 2013 #226

Fact? BainsBane Jun 2013 #146

Sure, np Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #147

That you don't like what someone writes BainsBane Jun 2013 #149

Are comprehension problems catching? Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #151

The point stands BainsBane Jun 2013 #152

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #154

This exchange clarifies a post of yours BainsBane Jun 2013 #157

Yes I'm sure it does. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #159

LOL snooper2 Jun 2013 #26

" that seems to think including all men the idea that all men are evil" sufrommich Jun 2013 #8

No. They exist here. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #22

No, they don't. You found feminists who disagree, sufrommich Jun 2013 #25

Hey, a couple of men have spoken and ex-communicated you from the ranks geek tragedy Jun 2013 #27

Laughable. No one has done. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #39

Hey, you all have even declared feminism itself obsolete. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #225

Let me list for you the characteristics of "cartoon" feminists Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #38

First, they are human beings, not cartoons. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #42

LOL! You again? In another subthread repeating the same bullshit you just said to someone else? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #45

Jury results: Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #113

A hung jury. What a bummer. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #114

Your list of "Buzz Click's bad feminists" could apply to sufrommich Jun 2013 #65

"Bad feminists"? I never said that. Why put it in quotes? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #116

Agreed. I think the real problem they have is distinguishing themselves LittleBlue Jun 2013 #115

You know, I find it most annoying... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #118

Well, since you're now on the record as stating that feminism is useless, geek tragedy Jun 2013 #239

Is said that? I challenge you to provide a quote where I said anything similar. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #244

You agreed with this: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #247

Classic logical dysfunction. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #248

You agreed that "most progressive women needn't be feminists' geek tragedy Jun 2013 #250

"Most progressive women needn't be feminists because Democrats take care of the issues that matter Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #202

Seriously? DeadLetterOffice Jun 2013 #221

It's because you're a feminist LittleBlue Jun 2013 #236

You may not realize how incredibly stupid it sounds geek tragedy Jun 2013 #238

Go look at some recent polling LittleBlue Jun 2013 #240

"That tells me feminism has little to attract most women" geek tragedy Jun 2013 #242

I don't listen to Limpballs LittleBlue Jun 2013 #243

The Democratic party has those positions because of the feminist movement. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #245

That's what I'm talking about. LittleBlue Jun 2013 #246

What the hell makes you think feminism isn't about equal pay, equal access geek tragedy Jun 2013 #249

It is also about that, but let me repeat myself LittleBlue Jun 2013 #251

And who's going to lobby the Democratic party? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #252

Women voters. nt LittleBlue Jun 2013 #253

Sounds like feminism. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #254

Not according to the polls LittleBlue Jun 2013 #255

Polls? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #256

Shock result: feminist magazine finds most women femenists LittleBlue Jun 2013 #259

How do you define "feminism?" nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #260

CBS News geek tragedy Jun 2013 #261

Seriously? part 2 DeadLetterOffice Jun 2013 #257

You're right. Apophis Jun 2013 #66

We often see that which we want to-- regardless of whether dragons exist or not. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #88

Yeah, well, about that... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #90

Agree. I think part of it is "silence is consent" lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #120

+1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #19

One might say they have a "history." n/t Gore1FL Jun 2013 #84

A jury went 0-6 on this post. pintobean Jun 2013 #181

Were any of the comments amusing? n/t Gore1FL Jun 2013 #193

"cartoon feminists" Matariki Jun 2013 #97

You couldn't be wrong about the people your labeling cartoon feminists that broad brush all men Arcanetrance Jun 2013 #131

please be good enough to link to various threads of these cartoon feminists. three or four will do. niyad Jun 2013 #160

Nope, ALL feminists on DU are treated that way. Gormy Cuss Jun 2013 #229

The anti-feminist creeps are a minority, though a loud and obnoxious one. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #6

They may be a minority, but I've yet to sufrommich Jun 2013 #7

Takes strict moderation policy to keep 'em out. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #9

I guess my point is that they are a large enough minority sufrommich Jun 2013 #11

When "women's issues" = "how much do men suck?" then yes. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #122

bad men suck. men who do really bad things suck. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #125

If "bad men" are a women's issue, are "bad women" a men's issue? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #156

of course, on an individual basis mostly. Whisp Jun 2013 #161

How can an *individual's* behavior become an issue for the entire other gender? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #169

To the degree they rape, murder, sexually harass, and geek tragedy Jun 2013 #165

So you're saying that Crystal Mangum should be a men's issue? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #171

I said "to the degree." False accusations of rape are an exceedingly rare occurrence geek tragedy Jun 2013 #175

She also is out on bail for murdering a guy. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #183

Why Whisp Jun 2013 #189

Please post a link to such a statement thucythucy Jun 2013 #186

Or, that feminists on DU chervilant Jun 2013 #158

k and r--thank you for posting this. I have absolutely no problem engaging these woman-haters. niyad Jun 2013 #3

I really don't like that saying. KitSileya Jun 2013 #40

You know what? That's a good point ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #48

I also respect William Pitt a lot. KitSileya Jun 2013 #56

Heh! ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #60

True; they really don't seem to accomplish anything. October Jun 2013 #220

A very thoughful post & an excellent point, here: CrispyQ Jun 2013 #55

The saying is "Silence IMPLIES Consent" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #209

In other words, women are morally obligated to speak up against misogynists KitSileya Jun 2013 #230

When people witness oppressive behavior and say nothing, it gives the implication to others Hissyspit Jun 2013 #235

you change people by meeting people face to face, forming friendships, and showing them liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #15

I agree. HappyMe Jun 2013 #17

Well said. maddezmom Jun 2013 #20

Very well said! Sissyk Jun 2013 #41

But that takes two. I only ever see one side of that being denigrated here on DU. Squinch Jun 2013 #176

As always, when one breaks the "don't feed the trolls" rule, new rules kick in: Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #23

+100 Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #44

How the hell did we end up on the same side of an argument? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #46

Good Question! Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #47

Well, it looks to me like HappyMe Jun 2013 #33

Yep LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #196

Interesting TED talk: Jackson Katz - Violence against women - it's a men's issue Flaxbee Jun 2013 #34

sounds excellent. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #215

Thank you Mr. Pitt ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #37

this seems like a pretty predictable reversion to the mean that galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #49

You mean feminism? ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #53

more radical second wave ideologies in my experience galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #57

Jesus your posts are comedy GOLD HangOnKids Jun 2013 #107

I'm a giver!! Nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #132

"men are easy to control" geek tragedy Jun 2013 #134

Errrr, they have read some of your posts and galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #162

Yes, pity me in that I see women as my equals, not my enemies, and that geek tragedy Jun 2013 #164

"Your ability to stay in character is admirable." sufrommich Jun 2013 #173

nothing inconsistent or untrue in anything i've written. galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #177

Cool story, bro! nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #178

I don't suppose it would occur to you BainsBane Jun 2013 #179

it may surprise you that i believe in true equality for everyone galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #182

I've read enough of your posts BainsBane Jun 2013 #185

well, quite educated I am...and i was replying to your statement not accusing....anyone galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #187

YOU "consult on human behavior when" you're "bored?" thucythucy Jun 2013 #188

no, think along the lines of clients who need help understanding galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #191

I don't think a statement like thucythucy Jun 2013 #194

i would agree if i wasnt so correct about the analysis....95% of the time. galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #197

And yet you come off as supremely egotistical. thucythucy Jun 2013 #198

Continuous success makes you seem arrogant and lazy because you lose the galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #201

Your arrogance is astounding. thucythucy Jun 2013 #233

Clarification request. antiquie Jun 2013 #59

Your new daughter has an awesome Dad in you!!!!. beachgirl2365 Jun 2013 #58

Especially bad in some Middle Eastern countries. nt clarice Jun 2013 #85

"...doing femnist work requires boundless optimism." CBHagman Jun 2013 #112

Wow... this thread is like a textbook example of what the article is describing. Holy smokes. (n/t) MadrasT Jun 2013 #119

So classic it should have been a set up! nt Zorra Jun 2013 #124

If you build it, they will troll, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #126

Some things are utterly predicable BainsBane Jun 2013 #148

Gee, Thanks a lot! defacto7 Jun 2013 #205

I don't know your age BainsBane Jun 2013 #206

Oh, Sure! defacto7 Jun 2013 #213

A defensible position should be defended. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #123

The debate doesn't seem to go so well when its not so one sided Major Nikon Jun 2013 #143

+1 lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #155

Here is the subsequent reaction to this debate BainsBane Jun 2013 #166

Horrible screenshots. KitSileya Jun 2013 #231

yes, not at all suprising BainsBane Jun 2013 #241

When one side uses rape threats, they lose, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #237

There is a middle way Warpy Jun 2013 #135

Excellent strategy BainsBane Jun 2013 #150

Nice! ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #153

The "high road" doesn't require non-engagement. DirkGently Jun 2013 #172

Or: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #174

Oh Will, here you thought you were in the 21st century BainsBane Jun 2013 #180

I think the worst one in this thread was the talk of "cartoon feminists." Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #210

Yes, it's popular to dump on a few women BainsBane Jun 2013 #211

While it's commendable that you "would never tell another woman she wasn't a feminist", opiate69 Jun 2013 #262

Then I suggest you raise your concerns with them BainsBane Jun 2013 #263

I`m merely trying to point out that... opiate69 Jun 2013 #266

Agreed. nt duhneece Jun 2013 #219

Co-signed. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #224

Excellent OP, excellent article. thucythucy Jun 2013 #190

Indeed BainsBane Jun 2013 #195

My sometimes strategy. RoccoR5955 Jun 2013 #192

Lewis's Law shown as true, again. KitSileya Jun 2013 #199

The problem with taking the low road is applegrove Jun 2013 #200

Very few men are not guilty of debasing women or furthering the mysogyny. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #204

"Very few men are not guilty of debasing women or furthering the mysogyny." Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #216

Yes, very few. Arguably, simply existing as a male in society... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #265

Simply existing as a male in society Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #267

I'm going to say this as politely as possible Kurska Jun 2013 #269

Actually, being white means being part of a priveleged class... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #271

I don't subscribe to systems of belief that force labels on people based on their gender/race. Kurska Jun 2013 #272

I am not ascribing roles. Society ascribes roles. Myself and those like me are merely deconstructing Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #273

You seem to be saying despite the fact that I am a gay man and strong believer of gender equality. Kurska Jun 2013 #274

If you don't believe in ascribed roles, why do you feel the need to tell me you're a gay man? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #275

Because I'm trying to emphasize to you that I have been the victim of trash you are talking about Kurska Jun 2013 #276

So you admit that your identity as a gay man carries certain negative consequences... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #277

Yes, but I don't think every heterosexual is contributing to them simply be existing. Kurska Jun 2013 #278

It's not a matter of existing. It's a matter of participation in society. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #279

I don't think oppression is the summation of a million tiny things that add up. Kurska Jun 2013 #280

Your concern for my mental health is duly noted, thanks. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #281

I'd say the people responsible for anti-gay actions or politics are the people who actually do them. Kurska Jun 2013 #282

So then men as a whole deserve to be dehumanized? Kurska Jun 2013 #222

Those are your words, not mine. I am saying that very few men are not guilty... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #264

That is why It there was question mark. Kurska Jun 2013 #268

The ways in which men debase and disempower women are immense... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #270

That's just grotesque. sibelian Jun 2013 #258

This thread is a goddamn shitshow. Kind of sad I missed most of it. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #203

Thank you Mr. Pitt for a fine exposé defacto7 Jun 2013 #212

I couldn't agree more!! Fuck the high road. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #227

no high road --rub their fucking noses in it dembotoz Jun 2013 #232