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235. One could argue they do.

Reply to Yavin4 (Reply #176)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:13 AM

Jun 2013

I would reject those arguments for the same reason I reject it here--the appearance of consent is illusory.

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104 men pictured in 'wall of shame' after they were arrested for soliciting prostitutes [View all] Renew Deal Jun 2013 OP

Wouldn't legalizing and taxing prostitution be easier than entrapment? villager Jun 2013 #1

Agree 100%. marmar Jun 2013 #2

definitely lame54 Jun 2013 #4

entrapment ? hhahahahha JI7 Jun 2013 #5

Yeah, but that wouldn't get as much publicity as ridiculous stunts like this. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #10

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Good luck with that MattBaggins Jun 2013 #96

Don't forget regulating and protecting safety. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #13

That would make way too much sense. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #22

And outside of boutique brothels how exactly do you imagine this is going to work? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #223

If they were unionized Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #239

If anyone else said that I would assume it was sarcasm. But I know better... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #251

Yeah, 'cause that's exactly how it would work. Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #252

Well how would it work for street prostitution? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #258

You are making too much sense. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #47

We're in agreement here, GSC (!) villager Jun 2013 #49

But that would be safe, sane and reasonable LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #52

Unprotected: How Legalizing Prostitution Has Failed redqueen Jun 2013 #60

why do they go to poor countries to find women JI7 Jun 2013 #84

In some countries, like Cambodia ChazII Jun 2013 #100

because weathly and educated women don't want to turn $20 tricks? dlwickham Jun 2013 #126

$20?? blueamy66 Jun 2013 #217

We aren't supposed to care about them, only the privileged few who actually want to rent out redqueen Jun 2013 #165

but but but MattBaggins Jun 2013 #98

so the keep-it-illegal crowd thinks that that's the puppies & unicorns "solution" to a thousands-of- villager Jun 2013 #134

Compromise MattBaggins Jun 2013 #136

Well, if it's legal, do the married men have an expectation of privacy? villager Jun 2013 #141

Do women have a reasonable expectation that the state MattBaggins Jun 2013 #143

Many here seem to love state interference in private lives. Unless you're proposing making villager Jun 2013 #147

It is not a straw man MattBaggins Jun 2013 #170

As much straw as the Scarecrow. Not the state's job to snoop on people having affairs villager Jun 2013 #204

Your injecting personal ideas of morality into what is a health and safety problem. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #232

Incorrect MattBaggins Jun 2013 #234

you used "...adultery" that is a moral & societal construct Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #245

You decided for me my definition of adultery? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #249

You just defined adultery yourself. Again it's a moral & societal construct. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #256

Of course it is MattBaggins Jun 2013 #257

Please explain how shifting 100% of the risk from gangsters to trafficked women... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #220

The sad thing is how obvious it is how little attention people actually pay to the places where it's redqueen Jun 2013 #167

Then again, because it's legal, places like Amsterdam are able to offer more protections villager Jun 2013 #132

The Scandinavian model is best, IMO. redqueen Jun 2013 #169

A tacky tourist attraction isn't a great basis for sweeping policies Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #225

Then we need to do a better job Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #241

Entrapment does not mean what you think it means. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #63

If you legalize it MattBaggins Jun 2013 #92

I would hope so. Fawke Em Jun 2013 #105

Not unless you plan on reopening the conjugal "rights" can... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #202

That makes too much sense and pisses the preachers off Warpy Jun 2013 #111

and some want to try to convince me that there are women who really do want JI7 Jun 2013 #3

Heh ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #8

Unbelievable, isn't it? Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #14

Too true! October Jun 2013 #157

Actually, making it legal (and regulated as it typically goes) does make it significantly cleaner EOTE Jun 2013 #237

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*snort* ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #29

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More likely they're professional men with a certain amount of success Warpy Jun 2013 #146

That certainly happens. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #148

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Everybody calls the morality police these days. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #30

to try to support legalization and try to make it as if it's JI7 Jun 2013 #32

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what does it matter,there are random assholes trying to convince people that Zimmerman is innocent JI7 Jun 2013 #42

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To be fair, LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #102

Yes. These are women who have nothing else to fall on. They're at the bottom. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #118

There are and I've known them. Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #242

they are all men JI7 Jun 2013 #6

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Bald is a fashion statement ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #19

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The St. Paul Minnesota Police Department Jenoch Jun 2013 #7

The only thing shameful here is the wall of shame itself Uzair Jun 2013 #9

I know a man that hasn't paid for sex Renew Deal Jun 2013 #15

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LOL... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #27

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Full disclosure: NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #31

1964 annabanana Jun 2013 #35

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Yeah, I've heard that song. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #45

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Is that Jerry of The Grateful Dead fame? NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #51

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+1000 Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #38

I think you're misinterpreting the comment... brooklynite Jun 2013 #152

I don't think I know any who have mythology Jun 2013 #163

So association with a prostitute Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #244

That says more about you and your circle of friends than it does about anything else. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #50

Uh, what? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #64

"I don't know a single man who hasn't paid for sex at one time or another" shawn703 Jun 2013 #66

"I don't know a single men who hasn't paid for sex at one time or another." geek tragedy Jun 2013 #69

You know one now. MineralMan Jun 2013 #75

By "paid for sex" do you include having to put up with her incessent chatter afterwards? Bucky Jun 2013 #82

Why should they get rid of police blotters for that crime MattBaggins Jun 2013 #103

Fair question. Prostitutes don't enjoy that luxury, for the exact same transaction. freshwest Jun 2013 #145

But do DAs go to the trouble of collecting their photos... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #173

Are you Tien1985 Jun 2013 #144

I'm a man who has never paid for sex. Nice to meet you! RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #188

Give me a call when you're in vegas. The Mrs. & I will take you out for drinks and then you will Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #201

I have never paid for sex. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #208

I don't know what sort of company you keep, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #231

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Exactly. It's not an endorsement, just a more sensible allocation of society's resources villager Jun 2013 #16

The only problem is that I know of no place where prostituion is hedgehog Jun 2013 #68

shows it is usually the poor and those lacking resources who are brought into this JI7 Jun 2013 #76

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Unfortunately, Warren, I don't think the drug war... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #138

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I hope you're right. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #142

What's really disgusting is that the DA couldn't even wait until he got convictions. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #17

The DA is a woman Renew Deal Jun 2013 #20

I stand corrected. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #116

You think Kathleen Rice gives a shit? name not needed Jun 2013 #87

Wow, that is disgusting. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #104

Police blotters are not illegal MattBaggins Jun 2013 #107

Why should I care if two consenting adults want to engage in this kind of activity Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #18

one reason to care, maybe two Whisp Jun 2013 #33

"We don't know if all of these encounters are 'consenting', do we?" Thread winner Number23 Jun 2013 #36

If it's not consensual then it's rape Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #55

Freedom is the absense of coercion, not just being unimpeded by authority. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #229

Something I Think People Should Keep In Mind erpowers Jun 2013 #34

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Thank you...that's exactly my point! davidn3600 Jun 2013 #58

and this is more often the case than looking to fiction like "pretty woman" JI7 Jun 2013 #44

Then arrest the pimps.... davidn3600 Jun 2013 #53

There is not an endless supply of johns. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #62

Just like we can win the drug war by teaching kids just to say no to drugs? davidn3600 Jun 2013 #70

There is a BIG difference between using drugs and using women's bodies. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #83

exactly, why equate women who are human beings with things JI7 Jun 2013 #85

The viewpoint is from that of the man, not of the woman he exploits. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #88

Prostitution has been around since the dawn of civilization. Im sorry...but we won't stop it. davidn3600 Jun 2013 #90

So have murder, child molestation, poverty, and exploitation. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #101

Touch�. Thank you for your common sense. n/t ChazII Jun 2013 #117

"murder, child molestation, poverty, and exploitation" -- don't involve consent Yavin4 Jun 2013 #176

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One could argue they do. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #235

You aren't supposed to think about the women and their lives MattBaggins Jun 2013 #109

These photographs help those women immensely jberryhill Jun 2013 #186

Not a looker in the bunch... Number23 Jun 2013 #37

They are innocent until proven guilty. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #56

Why do you keep posting this? And what on earth does it have to do with what I posted? Number23 Jun 2013 #150

If prostitutes can be arrested for having sex...why not the men? Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #54

But there were no prostitutes here. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #72

Same with Drug Dealers and Drug Users. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #73

I'm sure there are tons of women who would fuck every single one of these geek tragedy Jun 2013 #59

Yes, the streets are so much safer. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #74

Cutting down on the demand for prostitution is a good thing for society nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #77

That's what Anslinger, Nixon, etc. said about drugs. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #113

this is the type of logic used by Romney and sweatshops in China JI7 Jun 2013 #79

They are innocent until proven guilty. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #95

Hence the wives filing for divorce. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #243

They are innocent until proven guilty. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #93

Phew. We will simply not be safe on the streets until the men answering fake ads on backpage.com Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #61

Those should be mug shots of bankers and corporate CEOs and a certain ex-POTUS and ex-Veep Auggie Jun 2013 #65

I absolutely disagree with this Skittles Jun 2013 #67

+1 Auggie Jun 2013 #86

+1000 LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #91

Home run! NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #121

+1 In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #255

I'm always intrigued by the factions that come out on this topic CincyDem Jun 2013 #71

Most of them will plead guilty... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #114

Why don't they do this to shoplifters or traffic scofflaws? MrSlayer Jun 2013 #78

They do this to every one MattBaggins Jun 2013 #112

I never see a rogues gallery like this for other "crimes". MrSlayer Jun 2013 #124

I have seen this for drug busts, drunk driving MattBaggins Jun 2013 #131

I don't agree with any of that. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #154

"So yeah, it's better that their wives be left in the dark about it." MattBaggins Jun 2013 #156

Whatever dude. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #159

Oh please MattBaggins Jun 2013 #160

Again. Black and white. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #164

I'm sure everyone was as concerned about the poor, poor victims of To Catch a Predator. nt redqueen Jun 2013 #171

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Ah, the adultery police. What a wonderful use of taxpayer dollars. name not needed Jun 2013 #193

I'm pretty sure that sex with prostitutes and lying to one's wife is a pretty good indicator LanternWaste Jun 2013 #254

Does this look like a record of "what police were doing last night"? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2013 #149

I don't like police blotters at all. Any of them MattBaggins Jun 2013 #151

Those with traffic citations left to go into warrant are posted in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #253

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Good to see the Nassau County PD still doing absolutely nothing with that budget of theirs. name not needed Jun 2013 #81

No entrapment in any of the cases: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #89

And they will be back on the streets doing it again tomorrow davidn3600 Jun 2013 #94

Demand reduction is only part of the solution. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #99

Good. duffyduff Jun 2013 #97

I think consenting adults should be allowed to have sex Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #106

They are. But it's illegal to sell it in most states. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #119

consenting adults they should be allowed to have sex under whatever conditions are mutually Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #123

Even where it's legal, it's heavily regulated because it poses a risk to the public at large. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #135

I think the greater good would be served by having it legal and regulated Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #158

They haven't been convicted. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #110

Same thing happens to the prostitutes justiceischeap Jun 2013 #127

Its wrong in both cases. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #129

Yuk. Disgusting little dirty men. Good they're finally going after the ones who use the services Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #115

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You would think the older ones... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #130

LOL! nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #137

I bet their heads got small real fast Whisp Jun 2013 #194

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Do you some of you really want Law Enforcement entrapping you to commit a crime? Yavin4 Jun 2013 #120

Stupid morality laws. Just legalize prostitution LittleBlue Jun 2013 #125

There are prostitutes in theocracies Yavin4 Jun 2013 #133

Think again LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #162

If I were to cherry-pick some police blotters... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #128

The only way to protect men, women, and children from being exploited by prostitution is to legalize Yavin4 Jun 2013 #139

Except where it has been made legal, that is far from the case. redqueen Jun 2013 #172

If that is an accurate report, then Germany needs to tighten its regulations Yavin4 Jun 2013 #175

Not just Germany. redqueen Jun 2013 #177

Your article is being refuted by other sources Yavin4 Jun 2013 #180

Funny how the sex industry is the one multi-billion dollar global industry redqueen Jun 2013 #181

Prohibition criminalizes consensual behavior Yavin4 Jun 2013 #182

That's not true at all. Where I live it's legal and regulated and there's no stigma... Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #238

how exactly do you propose regulating street prostitution? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #226

Street prostitution would violate regulations Yavin4 Jun 2013 #236

So how is that different than status quo? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #250

Wall of Shame SamKnause Jun 2013 #153

"Upscale Nassau County" ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #155

lol Renew Deal Jun 2013 #166

Thank GAWD for the government!! tabasco Jun 2013 #161

"a" prostitute?! n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #168

It would be better to show the photographs of the Pimps Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #174

The men who pay desperate women to rent out their bodies aren't exploiting them? redqueen Jun 2013 #178

why should i give a shit as to who has sex with whom? arely staircase Jun 2013 #179

because there is exploitation involved as mentioned above, why do they usually go to poor places to JI7 Jun 2013 #183

a good argument for taking it out of the black market undeground, no? arely staircase Jun 2013 #184

but why still go to poor women without other options ? JI7 Jun 2013 #185

rich men have the money to hire more educated/independant "working girls" arely staircase Jun 2013 #187

she wasn't educated, she was trying to get into the music business JI7 Jun 2013 #189

so am i arely staircase Jun 2013 #190

she didn't get into the music industry so not sure what options you are talking about JI7 Jun 2013 #191

neither did i arely staircase Jun 2013 #192

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Proof that poverty doesn't exist in America BainsBane Jun 2013 #203

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I was told there would be no math BainsBane Jun 2013 #207

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Think it through BainsBane Jun 2013 #212

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but these things don't exist in an ideal world BainsBane Jun 2013 #214

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possibly BainsBane Jun 2013 #216

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These guys don't go to prison BainsBane Jun 2013 #222

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I see it as way to try to invoke social sanction BainsBane Jun 2013 #228

wealth is the mirror face of poverty; the more of one, the more of the other, & the greater HiPointDem Jun 2013 #206

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She got a harsh sentence; her pimp got twenty days...didn't seem fair to me, that. MADem Jun 2013 #233

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I propose defacto7 Jun 2013 #209

They weren't Prostitutes rightsideout Jun 2013 #218

Other than sex, what does your trailer in the desert have in common with skid row? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #227

Fucking stupid. Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #219

America the melting pot--that looks like the men's room at the UN!!!! MADem Jun 2013 #230

I think this is great. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #240

With few exceptions why would any of these men care, and why is it anyone else's business? Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #246

I think this is just stupid. HappyMe Jun 2013 #247