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390. The supreme court decision could be broad, or it could be narrow

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #382)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:39 AM

Jun 2013

It could invalidate a whole array of discriminatory laws, or it might just narrowly address the issue at hand. As far as their history on things like that, I think its about 50/50 which way they go...but the upside of a broad ruling is worth not screwing with them.

The supreme court can strike down state laws. Congress can strike down state laws. But if the president does it all on his lonesome with an executive order, how do you think that will work out?

If challenges to an executive order wind their way through the courts, how do you think the courts will decide? Executive orders don't create law, typically they are used to establish procedure within the executive branch, or to establish policy. Trying to establish law, or invalidate state laws, by executive order is simply a stupid idea. And it would severely muddy the waters in advance of what is expected to be a historic and favorable supreme court ruling. Why would anybody do that?

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Michelle Obama confronts protester, threatens to leave fundraiser. [View all] JaneyVee Jun 2013 OP

Sick of people treating the first couple like garbage. Pragdem Jun 2013 #1

Im sick of not having my civil rights n/t FreeState Jun 2013 #56

Michelle Obama didn't take away your civil rights. n/t ucrdem Jun 2013 #80

Her husband can sign an executive order today for federal employees FreeState Jun 2013 #82

Then Ms Sturtz should take it up with him. ucrdem Jun 2013 #91

Please do mention it FreeState Jun 2013 #94

I don't remember any first lady from the 60s, 70s or 80s ucrdem Jun 2013 #104

Several were - FreeState Jun 2013 #123

Stumping is a different issue. This was an ambush ucrdem Jun 2013 #140

A political fundraiser n/t FreeState Jun 2013 #148

At a private house. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #151

That they were invited to and paid for n/t FreeState Jun 2013 #153

I would have paid twice that ucrdem Jun 2013 #159

Ambush? Really? AngryOldDem Jun 2013 #265

Wait for what security? ucrdem Jun 2013 #334

And we certainly dont want people's rights to interfere with a hoity toity fund raiser. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #497

This message was self-deleted by its author nebenaube Jun 2013 #184

That's because things are getting desperate. 50% of the country is in poverty and rhett o rick Jun 2013 #163

This lady paid $500 to stab Michelle in the back ucrdem Jun 2013 #173

President Obama is a member in good standing of the 1% club. You hope he will be nice to you. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #177

President Obama has refrained from bombing Iran. ucrdem Jun 2013 #180

You must be kidding. He nominates people that he doesnt agree with??? He nominated her because rhett o rick Jun 2013 #183

Lets see, Pritzker is a Dem and Romney is a puke? ucrdem Jun 2013 #185

Both propose the same policies. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #258

And the only difference is what they have labeled themselves? If Romney changed parties rhett o rick Jun 2013 #324

So now she knows a little how gays and lesbians feel dbackjon Jun 2013 #357

That has nothing to do with this issue treestar Jun 2013 #284

Was this heckler the only person that paid $500 to attend? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #342

This heckler wasn't protesting Poverty or Penny Pritzker. n/t whathehell Jun 2013 #330

You think job discrimination is not about poverty? Read and learn, you look daft saying that Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #338

Don't be so quick to attack...If you "read and learn", from my post, for starters, you'll see whathehell Jun 2013 #414

What is that supposed to mean, that it was OK to heckle Hillary but not Michelle? Beacool Jun 2013 #378

Exactly. 1983law Jun 2013 #203

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #351

You really think it's best for your rights to be at the whim of the President? jeff47 Jun 2013 #162

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #282

Are you telling the LGBT community to, "Stop fighting for nearly useless crap,"? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #331

The president does not have that power. jeff47 Jun 2013 #370

Obama's not going to sign anything right now cause the SCOTUS is currently deciding the DOMA case nt Tx4obama Jun 2013 #202

Don't bother trying logic davidpdx Jun 2013 #273

posts like yours make it easy for me to find who needs to get added to Full Ignore ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #231

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Her husband gets no credit even though he has done more for gay rights WI_DEM Jun 2013 #422

+1 Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #477

don't bother trying to explain that to people who are too dumb to understand ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #230

Or trying to discuss with people dbackjon Jun 2013 #361

Which ones? Do tell. demosincebirth Jun 2013 #102

Gays have all their civil rights? Really? n/t FreeState Jun 2013 #149

They can do anything they want that is legal. Even marry in many states. demosincebirth Jun 2013 #156

many states? quakerboy Jun 2013 #187

In NC it's not recognized as legal. Hell even my Civil Union was nullified and I'm straight. TalkingDog Jun 2013 #332

Hilarious. No marriage under Federal law, tax law, immigration law, Social Security law Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #341

Careful here, Call Me Wesley Jun 2013 #451

I'm beginning to think that it also might apply to some, here. demosincebirth Jun 2013 #482

Take it up with repukes. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #146

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #150

So who's speeches did Dr King interrupt? rbixby Jun 2013 #160

^THIS^ SunSeeker Jun 2013 #165

+ a million. graham4anything Jun 2013 #255

Do you think his marches interrupted anything? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #325

He didn't, but he also didn't go and interrupt JFK making speeches rbixby Jun 2013 #333

Gee, how are these individuals being compared to Martin? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #344

Aside from the disrespect here, the other issue is with SCOTUS rbixby Jun 2013 #352

Interesting, you are enraged that this heckler is not viewed as the same as MLK Sheepshank Jun 2013 #353

What the hell are you talking about? My point is that this woman is NOT counterpart Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #479

pardon me...I cleary missed the "didn't" Sheepshank Jun 2013 #500

You were very nasty while also dead wrong. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #506

I take it back Sheepshank Jun 2013 #507

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You really don't see the difference? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #356

Which claim is disingenuous? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #415

Did you notice that posts #146 and #150 were both rude yet only one got rhett o rick Jun 2013 #504

Sigh. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #505

+ 100 million skeewee08 Jun 2013 #340

well, i'm a "minority" hopemountain Jun 2013 #188

^^Exactly! rbixby Jun 2013 #355

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welcome to Full Ignore ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #232

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DUzy! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #447

Obama has done more than any previous President treestar Jun 2013 #283

Amen!!!! There is a lot of work to be done still but he has made more inroads that all of mfcorey1 Jun 2013 #336

Wow. We have plenty of rights? But you have more and that's God's will? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #337

I am tired of the exaggeration treestar Jun 2013 #455

Since when do we need to rank issues? Fearless Sep 2013 #509

This post is one of the most bigoted responses to a post made by a minority DUer idwiyo Jun 2013 #359

Sadly, that post is entirely typical, both for that member QC Jun 2013 #381

Please accept my apology for this post. I am ashamed it's here and even more ashamed idwiyo Jun 2013 #400

There is no need for you to apologize. You are always on the side of the angels here. QC Jun 2013 #401

There is nothing bigoted about the fact treestar Jun 2013 #457

ONE right LGBTQ minority doesn't have? ONE right? Are you serious? How can one be so ignorant idwiyo Jun 2013 #470

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I want to thank you for your wonderful responses! yardwork Jun 2013 #480

You and QC made me cry today. This shouldn't be happening, the bigotry I mean. idwiyo Jun 2013 #493

Care to elaborate on which rights you don't have? William769 Jun 2013 #473

You are a bigot by definition if you only care about other issues Fearless Jun 2013 #481

that is a flat out lie dsc Sep 2013 #510

How many rights do I need dbackjon Jun 2013 #362

Their panties are all in a bunch because we cannot criticize the Obamas adigal Jun 2013 #418

Yup! dbackjon Jun 2013 #420

Nobody is saying that people can't criticize Obama, Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #478

It's never enough and it will never be enough Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #373

So you are saying you are ok with Discrimination? dbackjon Jun 2013 #459

And you obviously have the right to be totally insulting theHandpuppet Sep 2013 #508

I doubt a blatant showing of disrespect is going to help that cause rbixby Jun 2013 #307

You mean the blatant disrespect Bigots are showing GLBT posters here on DU dbackjon Jun 2013 #367

I am sick of being treated as a second class citizen dbackjon Jun 2013 #354

Looks like Ms. Sturtz paid $500 to have her ass handed to her. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #2

I would have liked to see her take the mic and let Michelle Obama walk. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #11

Hell Yeah MattBaggins Jun 2013 #34

welcome to Full Ignore ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #233

Dear heart, your community has had the LGBT community on full ignore for years now Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #346

Might as well add me too while you are at it. n/t Jamastiene Jun 2013 #433

I'm sure all the others that also paid leftynyc Jun 2013 #297

exactly!!! Sheepshank Jun 2013 #347

Yeah...because that would have won the crowd over to her cause. gcomeau Jun 2013 #404

Everyone thinks that their issue is the only one on the plate. LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #3

exactly ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #5

As if each & every person is supposed to work on each & every issue. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #17

i think the point the other poster brought up is correct though. this event was in a private HiPointDem Jun 2013 #244

Civil rights are important and not a pet cause FreeState Jun 2013 #58

Mrs. Obama cannot sign an executive order of any kind jberryhill Jun 2013 #158

She was acting as a proxy for her husband by talking at a fundraiser muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #262

They're important enough to not be protected by presidential whim. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #168

Wasn't it the President who signed the order that federal benefits treestar Jun 2013 #285

treestar, federal benefits are denied to LGBT people Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #348

Quite the contrary. He could have and should have done that in 2008 but choose not to. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #503

Good for Mrs. Obama. The disrespect was way out of line. Laurian Jun 2013 #4

But Code Pink deserves our respect and admiration for heckling the President? brooklynite Jun 2013 #9

I don't believe I said anything about Code Pink. I was only commenting on the Laurian Jun 2013 #12

Not referring to you... brooklynite Jun 2013 #13

i don't care for code pink but at least he is an elected official JI7 Jun 2013 #14

What about Laura Bush? oberliner Jun 2013 #267

This is just as bad and wrong. N/t xoom Jun 2013 #322

you have a definite point there CatWoman Jun 2013 #33

I recall the time they did something to Condi treestar Jun 2013 #458

And if this had been an anti war protester at a Bush speech MattBaggins Jun 2013 #35

Michelle is NOT an elected official. nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #55

Michelle is a wonderful woman MattBaggins Jun 2013 #86

She's a strong woman who handled it her way - not like a Stepford wife. DevonRex Jun 2013 #121

Please keep your words in your mouth instead of trying to stuff them inside of mine MattBaggins Jun 2013 #124

Ok. Some of the rhetoric has upset me. I apologize. DevonRex Jun 2013 #142

No problem MattBaggins Jun 2013 #145

FLOTUS is NOT a legitimate target or a go-between flunky. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #218

She was speaking at a political fundraiser muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #263

What about this? oberliner Jun 2013 #266

Neither was Laura Bush oberliner Jun 2013 #269

Excellent post. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #363

What if this would have been a gun nut? Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #197

If wishes were horses MattBaggins Jun 2013 #199

What if you suddenly turned into a cheese sandwich? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #264

I just want to point out that if I turned into a cheese sandwich I'd be delicious AngryAmish Jun 2013 #326

This was a paid fundraiser at someone's home. Beacool Jun 2013 #406

What if frogs had wings? Jamastiene Jun 2013 #435

+1 n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #40

"She got right in my face." BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #6

What did she expect? CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #219

Turnabout is fair. riqster Jun 2013 #289

It is fair n/t BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #298

Michelle Obama is definitely NOT somebody I would choose to f*ck with Number23 Jun 2013 #7

That must be against the rules of heckling or something ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #16

Snork. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #213

Welcome to Full Ignore ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #234

Right. You expected to show your ass and get away with it because she'd NEVER respond. nolabear Jun 2013 #22

+1 Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #369

THIS krawhitham Jun 2013 #64

Bravo, Michelle! Whisp Jun 2013 #99

I was thinking the same thing. onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #399

Meanwhile, it's a private fundraiser, they'll probably be a Q & A afterward where she could address JaneyVee Jun 2013 #8

Boo fucking hoo. The most influential woman in the world threatened to walk out... Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #10

Let's review what was accomplished... brooklynite Jun 2013 #15

During Bush One's reign of terror, 4 of my fellow activists purchased Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #36

How'd the Election turn out? brooklynite Jun 2013 #41

Senior Bush lost. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #43

Actually, no he didn't brooklynite Jun 2013 #47

SENIOR. BUSH ONE. THE DAD. THE OLD ONE. LOST TO CLINTON. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #53

Sorry, didn't catch that... brooklynite Jun 2013 #62

You will always opine, even directly after confusing Bushes and pontificating about your Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #376

slow... keep up. b/t nebenaube Jun 2013 #190

Exactly treestar Jun 2013 #286

Bravo! Earth_First Jun 2013 #18

That's what woodchucks do! I'm mad as pancakes! I'm going to create a Whitehouse.gov petition... Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #46

Unlike Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #294

The audience didn't come to listen to Ms. Sturtz bleat away and interrupt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #19

exactly MFM008 Jun 2013 #27

Exactly. A private Dem fundraiser that she had been invited too, no less. Number23 Jun 2013 #181

Michelle Obama was not elected to anything; has no political power REP Jun 2013 #25

Yes, I know. That is why I used the word "influential" and not the word "power." Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #39

I don't smoke out of a hat ... REP Jun 2013 #105

I assume you felt the same way 1983law Jun 2013 #210

Was she heckled? Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #214

I remember so. 1983law Jun 2013 #236

When? What happened? Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #311

There's this. 1983law Jun 2013 #318

So you are implying that we should set today's standards from assisnine past actions? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #368

"Was Ms Obama being a lady?" What the HELL do you mean by THAT? As opposed to a WHAT??? DevonRex Jun 2013 #28

Many DUers were praising her husband for being such a gentleman for addressing Medea... Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #42

He was being The President - Obama style. nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #52

Was she too uppity? Did she not know her place well enough? REP Jun 2013 #115

No. The protester wasn't uppity enough. The protester should have accepted Michelle's Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #135

Yes, Mrs. Obama was being a lady. blue neen Jun 2013 #29

We had a thread about this. "Ladylike" and "being a lady" are unacceptable terms here. Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #215

^^good catch^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #308

This is how it will seem to many people MattBaggins Jun 2013 #37

You mean the lazy RW-enabling MSM? They'll be all over it CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #238

so, how exactly does one handle it hopemountain Jun 2013 #486

Bill Clinton was the best at it. MattBaggins Jun 2013 #488

how so? hopemountain Jun 2013 #490

No MattBaggins Jun 2013 #491

How is she the most influential woman in the world? BainsBane Jun 2013 #54

Married to the president. I am aware of women heads of state. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #72

Michelle doesn't control an empire BainsBane Jun 2013 #78

She has the ear of the emperer. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #107

Emperor? leftynyc Jun 2013 #295

Because she is the wife and chattel of her husband jberryhill Jun 2013 #164

That's it exactly. "Chattel". Never thought I'd see it on a site filled with Feminists. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #403

Pomp and circumstance is not real power. Jennicut Jun 2013 #93

Pomp and circumstance is afforded to those who can curry favor. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #97

The Presidency does not "control an empire." treestar Jun 2013 #288

Angela Merkel controls the economic fate of Europe. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #343

They never heard of Angela Merkel, I guess. Jennicut Jun 2013 #85

Yes, that's a far better choice. BainsBane Jun 2013 #88

That's twice today davidpdx Jun 2013 #275

You know I did a search BainsBane Jun 2013 #471

Could be davidpdx Jun 2013 #498

She acted like a bully and should be ashamed FreeState Jun 2013 #61

This. +1 Apophis Jun 2013 #95

Was she being a lady? one_voice Jun 2013 #103

Apparently a lady doesn't stand up for herself. DevonRex Jun 2013 #189

and she must be an "elegant" one at that! grrrrr. n.t hopemountain Jun 2013 #489

"Was Ms Obama being a lady?" Is that caucasian speak for uppity? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #130

Was it caucasian talk for calling Obama a gentleman when dealing with Medea Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #137

His destruction of Medea was "Presidential". What elected office does Michelle hold? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #147

She was speaking at a fundraiser for her "Presidential" and gentlemanly Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #192

Yes, he is a gentleman. Whisp Jun 2013 #198

So no "elective" office? You sound as ridiculous as ever. I asked you a.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #220

What about Laura Bush? oberliner Jun 2013 #268

Excuse me, but was anyone arrested at the Michelle Obama event? You'll note that I did not.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #389

My point is that Laura wasn't an elected official either oberliner Jun 2013 #421

if you don't know the history of the inequality between men and women Whisp Jun 2013 #350

what?! them's fightin' woids.. PUT UP YER DUKES11!11!1 dionysus Jun 2013 #377

Dion, where've you been? I haven't seen you in forever. Great to see you. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #387

A bit harsh 1983law Jun 2013 #212

"Was Ms Obama being a lady?" CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #221

"because a commoner challenged her" Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #249

Ms Obama doesn't need to be a 'lady' and put up geek tragedy Jun 2013 #300

Clearly, the couple handles hecklers differently. President Obama is calm (to a fault IMO) apples and oranges Jun 2013 #374

Tomorrow on FOX: Michelle rude to lesbian proud2BlibKansan Jun 2013 #20

Ha! So true! n/t Inkfreak Jun 2013 #30

Reminds me of Ted Turner harrassing Madeline Albright when she was SoS. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #21

Apparently, Michelle Obama is not as patient as her husband. Brigid Jun 2013 #23

Good for her!!! That's exactly how you should deal with a heckler! Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #24

Shouting and interrupting are not the way auntsue Jun 2013 #26

that was eye opening. nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #31

"Yet another hero confronts the tyrants!!!!" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #32

We have certainly entered The Twilight Zone Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #310

sounds like Michelle has a huge chip on her shoulder quinnox Jun 2013 #38

No, she's a mother shawn703 Jun 2013 #44

So people wanting equality dbackjon Jun 2013 #408

Nope shawn703 Jun 2013 #412

Do you like it when people interrupt you? Brigid Jun 2013 #45

Figures BainsBane Jun 2013 #48

yep, not a worshipper of the First Lady. I know, I don't know my place (like that protester) quinnox Jun 2013 #60

Taking shots at the First Lady is just plain low BainsBane Jun 2013 #67

you have a strange definition of taking shots then quinnox Jun 2013 #75

A president is very different from a First Lady BainsBane Jun 2013 #98

I take it you would treat any of us the same? treestar Jun 2013 #287

Hecklers are interesting. Jennicut Jun 2013 #57

Not having your civil rights isnt something worthy of heckling about FreeState Jun 2013 #66

Civil rights are not really going to change through a First Lady. Jennicut Jun 2013 #129

They are trying to get Obama FreeState Jun 2013 #133

And wives are merely proxies for their husbands jberryhill Jun 2013 #169

Very rudely heckling FLOTUS at a private function is assholish BuddhaGirl Jun 2013 #143

+1 FreeState Jun 2013 #63

Funny. Right wingers say the same bullshit about her having a "chip on her shoulder" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #77

well, I've always known you were a BOG-er type, where whiffs of any criticism of the Obamas are quinnox Jun 2013 #87

You even went after Sasha Obama Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #182

oh bullshit, but go ahead and keep making shit up quinnox Jun 2013 #247

You nailed the progression down Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #313

+1 about winger memes uponit7771 Jun 2013 #96

Yep and yep. Number23 Jun 2013 #179

Spot f%@king on. great white snark Jun 2013 #383

You write for Fox don't you? one_voice Jun 2013 #106

nope, just favor the protester over those in power quinnox Jun 2013 #114

Where did I say that the protester had a chip on their shoulder? one_voice Jun 2013 #138

fine, since you answered, I will answer quinnox Jun 2013 #144

Welcome to Full Ignore - good luck advocating from there ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #235

what the fuck ever quinnox Jun 2013 #242

So why wouldn't it be OK if the protestor was a right winger treestar Jun 2013 #290

So you believe in silencing all voices, regardless of the content or cause? LonePirate Jun 2013 #299

That's this person's only chance? treestar Jun 2013 #462

How many of those opportunities involve speaking directly to the First Lady? LonePirate Jun 2013 #463

who the fuck cares that you 'never liked her in the first place.' Whisp Jun 2013 #112

wow, so does it shock you that not everyone is in love with Michelle? quinnox Jun 2013 #125

quinnox finds Sasha Obama haughty alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #126

I know, I should have to go to Gitmo for not being properly adoring of Michelle quinnox Jun 2013 #131

Whatever, superhero alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #134

you left out satanist, neo-nazi, serial killer, and quinnox Jun 2013 #139

What are you alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #141

Hey, how've you been! jberryhill Jun 2013 #170

OMG treestar Jun 2013 #291

Oh, it's the "uppity" meme again. From you. DevonRex Jun 2013 #191

yup, expected coming from that one JI7 Jun 2013 #211

I AM surprised it came from so many other people, though. DevonRex Jun 2013 #216

This presidency has shone a light in many corners. -nt CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #225

Yeah. It has. Obama might as well DevonRex Jun 2013 #229

Chip fits nicely with "articulate". Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #195

"Never liked her in the first place" CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #222

yea, whatever quinnox Jun 2013 #245

Sure, racist misogynist assholes never liked her. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #303

Just call her an uppity and surly Negress while geek tragedy Jun 2013 #301

your bitter tears are nectar to my soul.... dionysus Jun 2013 #358

No. 'Do you know who I am' was Resse Witherspoon. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #385

Have to treat people who act like children like they are children shawn703 Jun 2013 #49

Is that why the straight community discriminates against gay people so brutally? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #388

What are you going on about now? shawn703 Jun 2013 #392

Not as classy as her husband! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #50

Welcome to Full Ignore - good luck advocating from there ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #237

Put me on full ignore too please... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #260

LOL Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #314

LOL, think I give a crap? n-t Logical Jun 2013 #475

Gotta love this CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #240

Nothing wrong with me thinking she handled it wrong. And Obama handles it right. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #476

The First Lady is a ceremonial position BainsBane Jun 2013 #51

She also takes her share of racist crap from the media. ucrdem Jun 2013 #68

If she doesn't want the heat from politics then she needs to stop making political speeches TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #366

A fundraiser at a private home BainsBane Jun 2013 #425

Very strange that someone would heckle the First Lady. Even stranger that people would support that BenzoDia Jun 2013 #59

Even stranger that peope dont support gay rights on a democratic board FreeState Jun 2013 #69

Heckling the first lady is a poor way of supporting gay rights. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #71

So you disagree with how the civil rights in the past were pushed FreeState Jun 2013 #74

Terrible straw man argument. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #100

i can't think of any similar instance, actually. where the first lady was heckled at a private HiPointDem Jun 2013 #272

You might as well heckle Martha Stewart or Emeril Lagasse over that BainsBane Jun 2013 #73

You know she wasnt talking about a bill right? FreeState Jun 2013 #79

Okay, Michelle doesn't issue executive orders BainsBane Jun 2013 #81

Her Husband does n/t FreeState Jun 2013 #83

If the point is to persuade her to talk to her husband BainsBane Jun 2013 #84

So when this was done in the 60s it was great FreeState Jun 2013 #92

I don't recall any civil rights activist heckling First Ladies BainsBane Jun 2013 #101

Obama's not going to sign anything right now cause the SCOTUS is currently deciding the DOMA case nt Tx4obama Jun 2013 #207

Even stranger that people HERE would support that. ucrdem Jun 2013 #76

why not? we supported anyone who heckled bush. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #110

Heckling George is fine. Heckling Laura is not. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #116

did you make this rule up today? because i am pretty sure deriding laura and the twins La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #119

If people did that, they're being petty. And it's not any less so than hecking the current First La BenzoDia Jun 2013 #128

Yes and no MattBaggins Jun 2013 #154

Michelle Obama is not Bush. ucrdem Jun 2013 #117

yes it does. its not the heckling you are against. its the heckling of a democrat La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #122

Glad I cleared that up for you then. Next lesson: Michelle is not Barack. n/t ucrdem Jun 2013 #132

Bush was POTUS, signer/vetoer of legislation. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #224

i wonder how many find heckling outrageous when republicans are in office La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #108

Not a D vs R thing. It'd be just as tacky to heckle Laura Bush or Nancy Reagan. nt BenzoDia Jun 2013 #113

please, people here were ecstatic when someone threw the shoe at bush La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #118

If people here cheered someone throwing a shoe at Laura, I'd say they're being tacky. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #120

So...you can't differentiate between Laura Bush and George Bush? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #174

I would not in a million years have heckled President Nixon or Eisenhower. graham4anything Jun 2013 #257

+1 Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #485

Woman arrested after interrupting Laura Bush speech oberliner Jun 2013 #270

Beating up on a former President's wife doesn't make it okay to do it to a current President's wife. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #495

I wish politicians had the freedom to handle these classless assholes like comedians do. Pragdem Jun 2013 #65

They do have that freedom MattBaggins Jun 2013 #157

aww her speech was interrupted. such a travesty. that woman can get fired in 37 states for being gay La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #70

And Obama can do exactly nothing to stop that. jeff47 Jun 2013 #175

But an executive order would protect people for the next 3 and a half years at minimum muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #271

No, it wouldn't. jeff47 Jun 2013 #364

No, it is about federal contractors muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #384

It's useless unless you can show significant numbers being victims of discrimination. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #393

Gosh, this took all of one google search: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #395

Gosh, 0 of those would be protected by an Executive Order. jeff47 Jun 2013 #397

Kathleen works at a university muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #402

No, the EO would cover people working for the executive branch. jeff47 Jun 2013 #419

No, federal contractors. From the WP article: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #427

Not what I'm arguing. But thanks for continuing the battles against straw men. jeff47 Jun 2013 #444

You are requesting a strawman muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #445

For it to do any good, you'd have to show that some discrimination has happened. jeff47 Jun 2013 #446

I have given an example - the university muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #454

Welcome to Full Ignore - Good luck advocating from there!!!! ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #239

Your post is pretty ridiculous. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #316

ohh some unknown person on the internet is ignoring me La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #321

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #315

Not much of a strategy there. CBHagman Jun 2013 #89

Because this straggly of heckling anyone close to the president FreeState Jun 2013 #127

I would think more because the supreme court is working on a DOMA ruling bhikkhu Jun 2013 #178

"how stupid that would be"? Why would it be 'stupid' at all? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #274

No, the precedent would be the president putting himself above the supreme court bhikkhu Jun 2013 #349

DOMA is about marriage; this is about employment discrimination muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #382

The supreme court decision could be broad, or it could be narrow bhikkhu Jun 2013 #390

Are you claiming there are laws that state "discrimination by sexuality must be allowed"? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #394

Hmm, private fundraiser versus a protest to sign an antidiscrimination order. rug Jun 2013 #90

I tell you what, anybody who harasses MY spouse to get ME to do something DevonRex Jun 2013 #204

What gets me about this is why people think POTUS needs influencing CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #243

How nice that you are allowed a spouse! That must be great. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #396

Great. Harass all of us who have been fighting with you FOR your rights. DevonRex Jun 2013 #413

Does your spouse have the authority to change public policy? rug Jun 2013 #443

Neither does Michelle. DevonRex Jun 2013 #448

Her spouse does. rug Jun 2013 #449

I see that bigoted language is okay DevonRex Jun 2013 #450

Do you? Pray tell, show it to me. rug Jun 2013 #456

I raised valid points about how Michelle is being talked about HERE. You minimized it DevonRex Jun 2013 #460

some think that their issue is the most important one in the world. demosincebirth Jun 2013 #109

LOL. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #111

+10000000 FreeState Jun 2013 #136

You're not making sense nt. demosincebirth Jun 2013 #155

She is making perfect sense to those that value equality dbackjon Jun 2013 #461

Oh my, another " holier than thou" group member. demosincebirth Jun 2013 #484

I wish her Husband would have done the same thing to that "You Lie" guy. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #152

Absolutely perfect. Brigid Jun 2013 #166

I wish she'd direct that anger at Republicans. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #161

+1 ucrdem Jun 2013 #167

People get assassinated at events like this jberryhill Jun 2013 #171

+1000 CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #223

Or protest Republican candidates at the Reagan Library? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #276

Why wasn't the heckler supporting Bradley Manning? jberryhill Jun 2013 #172

She's not a politician -- she didn't run for office -- she VOLUNTEERS her time and efforts MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #176

Yes. Thank you for pointing that out. ucrdem Jun 2013 #186

MotherP, DevonRex Jun 2013 #193

she should stay away from "political" fundraisers then if she is above it all. nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #201

Yet another "uppity" reference. DevonRex Jun 2013 #206

That's a truly shitty post from you muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #277

Oh no. No way. Michelle stuck up for herself. Period. In this thread she has been called DevonRex Jun 2013 #416

Then you're calling the wrong DUer a racist, aren't you? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #424

No I am not making DevonRex Jun 2013 #428

Again, you need to read the posts before you make stupid, offensive remarks about them muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #430

In a VERY close setting in a private home. No cameras. No DevonRex Jun 2013 #437

It was a fundraising speech for the DNC; not about 'hungry children' muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #440

I say that calling her unladylike, classless, graceless, above it all, are buzzwords. nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #441

This was a stupid fucking move by the protester & the wrong target. Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #194

I am not a violent person.. HipChick Jun 2013 #196

Yep skeewee08 Jun 2013 #335

Obama is going to have a harder time signing it now because it will look like he caved to a heckler. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #200

When has caving ever bothered him? n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #205

+1000 forestpath Jun 2013 #228

violates terms of service - alerting ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #248

Be careful... Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #453

I think this violates DU rules. I'm alerting this to the mods. ZRT2209 Jun 2013 #246

I came to a fantastic decision after seeing this latest BS from you. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #317

Where were you when Kucinich was running? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #339

Obama's not going to sign anything right now cause the SCOTUS is currently deciding the DOMA case nt Tx4obama Jun 2013 #208

DOMA is about marriage, not employment discrimination by federal contractors muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #278

We know how that will go.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #345

Elvis, Justin, etc. What I see here, is more of the same. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #209

Is there video of this altercation? Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #217

At least she didn't get a pump thrown at her rightsideout Jun 2013 #226

I don't have a problem with the protest. When it comes to forestpath Jun 2013 #227

"but has frequently chickened out in the most egregious ways when it comes to upholding them." Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #251

Habeas corpus. Due process. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #292

This message was self-deleted by its author Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #439

You MUST be joking. Obama's DOJ defended DOMA for years. forestpath Jun 2013 #494

You do understand Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #496

hadn't realized this was in a private home. a little different situation than a public one. pretty HiPointDem Jun 2013 #241

What if there was no Q&A or schmooze time? LonePirate Jun 2013 #305

what if she is a space alien? and other hypotheticals. you pay for a private session because HiPointDem Jun 2013 #429

There is never a guarantee of access LonePirate Jun 2013 #432

yeah, i'm sure sturtz was in danger of being murdered by the first lady. there's no comparison HiPointDem Jun 2013 #436

Michelle Obama was a guest and the protester had her say.. Cha Jun 2013 #250

here's what i think he said: ucrdem Jun 2013 #252

Lol, Cha Jun 2013 #253

How long do you realistically think it will take for ENDA to pass? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #280

But it would suck later.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2013 #328

I can't tell someone to "sit down and shut up" when it's their rights concerned muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #380

They can in an off-year election - particularly given their base Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2013 #438

37 Senators and 73% of the public support it; it is not a 'bomb' muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #442

IF it's not legislation and only an EO then the next GOP President could over turn it w/ another EO. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #466

Passing an EO does not preclude passing a law muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #469

+1000 n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #465

Michelle Obama 46 for President 2024, 2028 after Hillary 45 graham4anything Jun 2013 #254

GOOD for Michelle! nt Raine Jun 2013 #256

Yahoo reports this, and their usual neanderthal regressives grunt in unison, bones in hand: HughBeaumont Jun 2013 #259

"Michelle Stares down Protester".. rofl Cha Jun 2013 #261

I wonder what this "liberalism religion" is? HughBeaumont Jun 2013 #312

Both that group and Code Pink have been rude to to the Obamas davidpdx Jun 2013 #281

So you think rights are earned by quiet subservience? Constitution says otherwise. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #398

The constitution says nothing about screaming at people like children davidpdx Jun 2013 #499

I was kicked out of another thread about this and want to clear something up... Pragdem Jun 2013 #296

A word to the wise, Pragdem... CTyankee Jun 2013 #306

I will heed that advice. Pragdem Jun 2013 #327

Yep, ya never know around here... CTyankee Jun 2013 #329

no you won't, too late quinnox Jun 2013 #464

Well I see the bus has gotten much bigger. William769 Jun 2013 #302

I applaud the courage of anyone using civil disobedience in support of civil rights. LonePirate Jun 2013 #309

This message was self-deleted by its author JaneyVee Jun 2013 #365

Let's just keep discriminating against millions of people and pretending that we don't is Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #391

You can fight discrimination in much more effective ways than childish rudeness. phleshdef Jun 2013 #405

Agreed dbackjon Jun 2013 #410

FLOTUS was a boss last night. politicasista Jun 2013 #371

Well, I am getting tired of being a second class citizen dbackjon Jun 2013 #411

I am tired of seeing people attacking potential allies, Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #487

I don't get heckling KingFlorez Jun 2013 #372

Bottom line: This was fucking rude. Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #375

I don't really have a problem with the protester or Obamas actions. NCTraveler Jun 2013 #386

See Cha's excerpt in Comment #250 regarding what WH said just hours before Michelle's speech. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #468

Uh, "in your face" is how it's done. Don't be shocked... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #407

Uh, "in your face" is not how it's done by all, and that style frequently generates nasty responses. whathehell Jun 2013 #417

Sounds like you want to get in on something. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #426

I like Michelle Obama too and follow her example too. whathehell Jun 2013 #452

I think we are in basic agreement. Public communication can be touchy. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #467

Yes, I think so, too. whathehell Jun 2013 #483

A question to those who supports Sturtz's heckling of Mrs. Obama Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2013 #409

Just listened to the audio apples and oranges Jun 2013 #423

She should have taken the mic if she had something to say. bravenak Jun 2013 #431

That was a bit petulant on the First Lady's part Prism Jun 2013 #434

you know i am not at all upset with her. she did what most people do when they get unnerved La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #492

Yeah, her reaction doesn't phase me. Prism Jun 2013 #501

yeah esp because we seem to lack values when it comes to venerating our leaders La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #502

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