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In reply to the discussion: “She came right down in my face,” Sturtz said. “I was taken aback.” [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)And really, they know better if they know anything about the Constitution. The Libertarians will use any of the traditional issues to split Democrats, but they are just giving them lip service right now.
Obama has already issued federal changes in Medicare and hospital rules which was in his power, to stop some of the worst abuses of gays which was the cruelty of denying hospital visitation. But that's not a LAW.
And yes, EO's get overturned, and they have NO funding for enforcement if the House of Representatives can defund whatever they say. The POTUS does not have the power of the purse, Congress does, and he has to shuffle around for funds. It takes changing Congress to get all that we want done.
I just found the video of the first time I heard John Kerry speak in public in 1971 when I was there for the anti-war demo April 24th. There were over 200,000 of us there, but some said it was half a million. Only one senator came out to see us, and John Kerry who was leading the VVAW spoke of that.
He said if those in office would not bring the troops home, we would go to the polls to remove them and then transform the government ourselves. A lot got accomplished in those days. But now we have people saying not to vote, pointing up the faults of liberals, progressive and Dems, and it always turns out they are Libertarians who profit by the status quo now, and would be better off without all that pesky government that Kerry spoke of transforming society, and did.
Libertarians don't want that in the long run, they want the government to have no power to end discrimination and regulate and change things that way. That leads to more power for the well off and those were the people that I feel Michelle was speaking about to people with money.
Agree on the attention seeking and instant gratification... How many millions in this country have not recieved either? The activist could have waited to the end to say her piece, but at times it appears activists have no heart for anything but the group they say they represent. Do we know anything about her, except she got her moment of fame?
We've seen so many people take a piss on the Obamas, not because they care or because they are truly concerned. They are making political points for the media to grind out to make the White House look bad. She would have gotten her issue answered, which she likely knew Michelle was incapable of helping with, at the end of the presentation.
But now she has media face time and a platform to say that Michelle Obama is out of line, and that she doesn't care. What is really going on here?
Libertarians won't acknowledge that centuries of slavery and racial discrimination in this country have made an unequal playing field that libertarianism does not have a solutions for, except the invisible hand of the market and other magical ideas. They are doing a good job of destroying the Demcratic Party by pretending to be liberal or progressive. If they were, they would embrace lifting up the poor that Michelle was making an impassioned case there.
And there are some on the Left who want the Democrats to fail in 2014 and 2016, just as they advocated even here on DU, as they think a glorious uprising of the miserable will lead to their revolution. Guess who dies first in all of these processes?
Not those with means who are cheering storming the Bastille, but the poor who are suffering now. When Libertarians come here and attack Democrats for what they can use a wedge on social safety net issues, I cannot forget that they don't believe in having one period.
When I see them wail about the justice system, I cannot forget that they want all regulation and laws and courts, public schools, fire fighters and public hospitals to all go away and be privatized. Their starve the goverment plan eliminates public defenders, diversion plans for those who would be locked up, and a fair appeal process for the poor.
So, they want the government gone, and who will get health care, decent housing, food and water other than the rich, and who will not get them?
So I have little patience on this, as I feel that I am being lied to, and I appreciate your take on the matter.